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C Milquetoast
Posted - 2009.08.31 16:59:00 - [1]
 

Don't know fit of Coercer. I'm in a Hulk kinda standard fit. Do I just grit my teeth?

ISK Launderer
Posted - 2009.08.31 17:04:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: C Milquetoast
Don't know fit of Coercer. I'm in a Hulk kinda standard fit. Do I just grit my teeth?


THEY ARE THERE TO COLLECT YOUR TEARS. THE FACT THAT THEY WANT YOU TO ENGAGE IS THE KEY HERE...

IF YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR HULK, ENGAGE THEM.

SK Rooster
No Trademark
Posted - 2009.08.31 17:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: ISK Launderer
Originally by: C Milquetoast
Don't know fit of Coercer. I'm in a Hulk kinda standard fit. Do I just grit my teeth?
THEY ARE THERE TO COLLECT YOUR TEARS. THE FACT THAT THEY WANT YOU TO ENGAGE IS THE KEY HERE...

IF YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR HULK, ENGAGE THEM.

C

Kirzath
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2009.08.31 17:56:00 - [4]
 

[Hulk, BATTLE HULK]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Hammerhead II x5


Just be sure to stay docked for the next 15 minutes.

Mr Reason
Posted - 2009.08.31 18:03:00 - [5]
 

prolly going to be a 400mm plated, scramble, DL pulse fit. It'll fry you real hard and can take care of the drones as well.

Don't do it.

4THELULZ
Posted - 2009.08.31 18:09:00 - [6]
 

You might also want to consider the possibility they'll come back in something nastier even if you blow the Coercer up.

super loo
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:20:00 - [7]
 

What you really want to do is check local for his friends (Yeah I know the big systems are busy, but If you add them to your buddy list it helps.

Chances are he wants you to engage so his mate(s) can hit you with something else. If I was him I'd have a cloaked bomber in the belt just ready to pounce!

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:27:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Crackzilla on 31/08/2009 19:27:38
Originally by: super loo

Chances are he wants you to engage so his mate(s) can hit you with something else. If I was him I'd have a cloaked bomber in the belt just ready to pounce!


He could have a cloaked deathstar and it wouldn't help much. In high sec friends would be concorded without the agression flag.

I'd be much more terrified of a neut alt basilisk running remote reps and energy transfers.

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Crackzilla
Edited by: Crackzilla on 31/08/2009 19:27:38
Originally by: super loo

Chances are he wants you to engage so his mate(s) can hit you with something else. If I was him I'd have a cloaked bomber in the belt just ready to pounce!


He could have a cloaked deathstar and it wouldn't help much. In high sec friends would be concorded without the agression flag.

I'd be much more terrified of a neut alt basilisk running remote reps and energy transfers.

tbh I wouldnt be worried about a basilisk remote repping a coercer. Now, a guardian, imight be afraid of.

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:38:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
tbh I wouldnt be worried about a basilisk remote repping a coercer. Now, a guardian, imight be afraid of.


A t1 destroyer isn't going to have any real tank. He'll probably have dcu + damage mods. Not like you can fit a large armor buffer and still fit guns.

A destroyer doesn't have a large enough shield/armor hp difference to worry about from a logistics stand point. 1x remote rep is roughly 50% of either.

The crucial difference is how paper thin a destroyer can be. Remote shield reps works better for small stuff because its rep then cool down. Waiting 4-5 seconds for remote armor rep can feel like forever in a glass cannon.

So basilisk is a better choice. Scimitar is viable if energy transfer isn't a concern. But then again if he's in a t1 destroyer I doubt he has the resources to have a logistics on standby. *shrug*

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:42:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Lance Fighter
tbh I wouldnt be worried about a basilisk remote repping a coercer. Now, a guardian, imight be afraid of.


A t1 destroyer isn't going to have any real tank. He'll probably have dcu + damage mods. Not like you can fit a large armor buffer and still fit guns.

A destroyer doesn't have a large enough shield/armor hp difference to worry about from a logistics stand point. 1x remote rep is roughly 50% of either.

The crucial difference is how paper thin a destroyer can be. Remote shield reps works better for small stuff because its rep then cool down. Waiting 4-5 seconds for remote armor rep can feel like forever in a glass cannon.

So basilisk is a better choice. Scimitar is viable if energy transfer isn't a concern. But then again if he's in a t1 destroyer I doubt he has the resources to have a logistics on standby. *shrug*


i guess the critical difference here is that i consider remote rep to be armor, but never shields. tbh, I dont see much in the way of large scale shield repair other than pos stuff... so i just dont think about it.
so in context, a basi using a armor rep... was kinda lol.

C Milquetoast
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:44:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: C Milquetoast on 31/08/2009 19:47:34
Um, thanks, all. Heading for the dentist for new fillings...

Battle Hulk; hhmmmm

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:48:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
tbh, I dont see much in the way of large scale shield repair other than pos stuff... so i just dont think about it.
so in context, a basi using a armor rep... was kinda lol.


Its useful for small gang logistics and generally with scimitars in 0.0. Anything cruiser sized or smaller. Hac gangs with 2-3 logistics can be very successful. Or a ceptor/assault gang with 1 or 2 logistics can be very annoying.

If you don't need mobility then basi can be useful.

Iria Ahrens
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.08.31 21:43:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mr Reason
prolly going to be a 400mm plated, scramble, DL pulse fit. It'll fry you real hard and can take care of the drones as well.

Don't do it.


listen to the voice of reason. A destroyer will laugh at your drones, unless it's some newb that doesn't realize he can target drones.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2009.08.31 23:16:00 - [15]
 

Not only can the desty wack the drones and then go on to wack the hulk (ouch, 100 million vs. 1 million), but ever since the rig change last week, that desty is almost certainly going to be rigged, either for tank or for gank, neither of which will brighten your hulk's day.

Laruant Wiggins
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.01 00:02:00 - [16]
 

No smack in local.
If he needs the ore that bad, let him have it.
Do not engage, he is looking for a killmail.
If you change your ship names, change them back to your character, if he knows you won't bite he may get tired of messing with you.
BattleHulks can work, as long as he doesn't have friends.
If you kill him, he will be back in something bigger and/or with friends.

Iridescent Moon
Caldari
Iridescent Dawn
Posted - 2009.09.01 00:04:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Iridescent Moon on 01/09/2009 00:10:40
Edited by: Iridescent Moon on 01/09/2009 00:05:58
Originally by: Kirzath
[Hulk, BATTLE HULK]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Hammerhead II x5


Just be sure to stay docked for the next 15 minutes.



Will not work.

Without a web, and using medium drones, it is very likely they will get out of neut range before you can kill them. If they are AB fitted they have no issues escaping.

If they blow your drones and are still alive your dead. (edit: well, assuming they can deal damage from outside neut range, or don't need cap.)

If your really making a Battle hulk you should get the shield extender rigs and put them on. Then use mids like this...

Warp Scram
Web
Web
Cap Booster

Yes, if your neuting you need cap. There are situations where you could run out of cap. Double webs because the Hulk is a slow boat. You should be able to slap another small neut on there with those mids as well.

Found an oversized and poor quality fight of a Battle Hulk in action vs a Rifter.

Hulk Vs Rifter

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2009.09.01 02:55:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: ISK Launderer
Originally by: C Milquetoast
Don't know fit of Coercer. I'm in a Hulk kinda standard fit. Do I just grit my teeth?


THEY ARE THERE TO COLLECT YOUR TEARS. THE FACT THAT THEY WANT YOU TO ENGAGE IS THE KEY HERE...

IF YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR HULK, ENGAGE THEM.


My only solo kill, and this is almost a strange point of pride, was in a Covetor.

It can be done.

But yeah, usually engaging is a bad idea.

Sera Ryskin
Posted - 2009.09.01 03:09:00 - [19]
 

One thing to note here is that the thief is in a Coercer. You know, a ship with one mid slot. Use this to your advantage.


If he is fitting a point, he will be unable to escape from your point, and he will have zero speed against your drones. With good drone skills, he should die VERY quickly.


If he is fitting an AB/MWD, he has no point, and you are free to warp out at any time if you start to lose.

Darthewok
Perkone
Posted - 2009.09.01 04:14:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Darthewok on 01/09/2009 06:43:55
after extensive analysis and mathematical calculation, i have derived the following possible courses of action.

option1: The WISE but BORING course of action - ignore him and merrily carry on mining
use cargo expander IIs and mine to cargo hold and drop in stations, to avoid can flipping
option2: pew pew but in an economical fashion
get into a retriever/procurer/covetor (insured) to bait or fight him. Properly fit, these could defeat a Coercer if the Coercer gets complacent.
option3: LEEROOYY JENNKKINNNSSSSS
don't let the fact that you are engaging a 200,000 ISK insurable ship in a 90mil+ ISK non-insurable ship bother you. you are invinceeeeebleeeee
gl, hehehehe

my 2 ISK anyway...


 

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