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Mystical Merlin
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:19:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Mystical Merlin on 31/08/2009 00:20:14
Originally by: BeanBagKing
You obviously don't read to well, I stated that the EULA was not the only set of rules around and another one probably covers CCP correspondences. Just because you didn't find the right information does not mean they lied to you. But whatever, I'm just in this now to keep you QQing

And no, expressing your opinion involves something along the lines of "I believe this is wrong because of this reason, here are my arguments, and this being the ideas and suggestions forum, here is a constructive way of solving it".


You came in posting a double petition to something CCP told you, twice, would not change and is valid game play. You whined and complained and call us all grieving loosers. Your only suggestion was that they should remove the mini-profession entirely so that things would be easier on you and you wouldn't have to deal with other people. You offered nothing constructive and, while you did voice your opinion, you did it in a way that most people (including myself) took offense to. This is why you get flamed, not because of your opinion, but because of the way you expressed it.


Maybe your should re-read the original post. It says (the thing i think is wrong)in the first sentence, followed by what i think should be done, followed by the why. It was not inflammatory at all, the first post i received in response, however, was. So from there my attitude changed as well. I may not have done this

Problem: yadayadayada
Solution: yadayadayada
Why: yada some more

but it is all there in one paragraph and in order.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:24:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Edited by: BeanBagKing on 30/08/2009 23:55:35
Originally by: Mystical Merlin
Petition correspondence removed. Zymurgist


^^ hehe, yep, gone. Too bad the rest of you didn't read them, rather amusing.

Edit: I'm wonder if he's going to petition the removal of his petitions o_o

yeah, too bad, but plenty of other places i can post them. oh and i read the EULA , it does not say those correspondences cant be there, again, they lie.

I came here to post an opinion on something i felt was wrong with the game, and instead of (with the exception of one) constructive criticism or explanations, i just get a bunch of flamers.
If thats the kind of people that play the game, who would want to join new anyway. Everyone in this game a bunch of a***** or is there someone decent that actually wants to make a decent comment.



After reading your thread I've come to the conclusion you want things handed to you and don't try something new to prevent these situations from happening. It has been stated several times in this thread, and many others, that you can move to different systems to mission where they aren't as populated where you have the "chance" of getting probed out, and the only way they could attack you in high sec is if you fired first, therefore it was your fault for being temporarily absent minded. As for CCP possibly losing customers, they usually emoragequit because they cared not for the style of game play that EVE is and expected to have things essentially handed to them. I mission, I'm not probed out once and I've never been in someone elses mission, in case you try to accuse me of such as you have others, so it's not that hard to understand, improve your style of gameplay or expect to be shown the folly of your inability to adapt.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:31:00 - [33]
 

Alright then, lets break it down

Problem: There needs to be a way players can PVE, especially in HI-SEC, without having to deal with harrasment from other players that are far more experienced and you have no chance in **** of taking on.
Translation: I want to play a single player game

Solution: Missions should be off-limits to other players
Translation: Make the game single player for me

I don't know what you expect here. Your in an MMO. You want to be left completely alone. While I guess what you suggested is technically a solution, it is not a helpful or creative one. You are in the wrong environment and to fix that CCP would have to change that entire environment just to suit you and a few other players that are upset by this, thus upsetting the people that make a living ninja salvaging and pirating and changing the balance of the entire game.

In my following responses I pointed out that this isn't the way the game works, used CCP quotes to back up why it isn't going to change and made some helpful suggestions. You proceeded to "scream" at me (all caps on the internet is concidered yelling). and at that point I told you I was going to stop being helpful.

BTW, read the edit on my last post, I found the rules pertaining to editing out GM petitions, once again they didn't lie to you. Grow up.

Mystical Merlin
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:36:00 - [34]
 

Thank you Metalcali for a slightly better response, except you are wrong on the fact that i don't want things handed to me, however, everyone seems to miss this part. I'm being followed, no matter where i go by the same person, who continually does this over and over. The only thing i did was be a new player on a mission, this guy probes me out(random target), and now I'm like this guys new toy. He doesnt steal cargo so i cant shoot not that id win anyway,also finishes my missions so that i cant, and continually screws with my ability to play. NO MATTER WHERE I GO. So, moving has been done and done to death. This is HARRASSMENT! Yet a petitioin for harassment, which is an option on the list, fell on deaf ears. If its an option, then why do they not do something about it? The salvage petition that i had posted was just the more recent stuff.
Like i said, missions should be off limits until completed.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:39:00 - [35]
 

Are you staying in the same region or moving 10+ jumps away. Try making some distance, try a different profession for a bit, take time off if need be. If you are his new favorite toy, make him not want to play with you anymore, yes, even if it means starting at level 1 in a different races corp missions. That would at least give you a possible vacation should this arise again.

Brizae
Amarr
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:54:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
I'm being followed, no matter where i go by the same person, who continually does this over and over.

You probably cry in local like you do in the forums. That's why you are maybe being "followed". Butch up and you'll get left alone.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.08.31 00:58:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 31/08/2009 00:59:27
If what your upset about is harassment then why did you post petitions dealing with salvage and missions?

Like I said, missions being off-limits isn't going to change, you might as well turn the game into a single player mode. It's just not happen.

I have the feeling you opened your petition with the GM the same way you did here, complaining about him coming into your missions. The GM looked at this, said "this be valid game mechanics!" and rejected it. What you want to do is explain to the GM that this person is on constantly, probably using locator agents to follow you around, and using the game mechanics to harass and abuse you. Do not phrase it as "stealing loot" or "interrupting missions" as these are valid game mechanics. However, if this person is indeed following you and only you with the sole purpose of making your life miserable you could make a strong argument regarding rule #1 found here http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

It helps if you use correct grammar and punctuation in your petition as well as a lack of swear words, people generally react better to proper English.

Again, this does not guarantee help on the issue. You may also wish to join #eve-chaos on irc.coldfront.net where some of the BH's and GM's sometimes hang out and speak to one of them as an adult, and they may take a look at your case or give you tips. Again, it helps to not come in yelling about how everyone likes to pick on the noobs and your so mistreated. Instead ask for help with a guy who is harassing you beyond the usual salvage ninjaing.

In the mean time take tips from the other people. Get in a corp or make friends with a corp/alliance that can help you, there are people out there nice enough to do this. Move locations, at the least to a different region. It may seem like a lot now, but trust me, at two months you don't have that much stuff to pick up and move, wait till 6 or better yet a year. I think I've picked up and moved about 5 times already, at least twice to 0.0 and once to wormhole. A move across high sec is nothing.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2009.08.31 01:00:00 - [38]
 

Oh cool, some one new to play with.


BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.08.31 01:08:00 - [39]
 

Also, as you may have noticed, people like it when you complain about something. It's the way people are on the internet

Referance John Gabriel's Greater Internet ****wad Theory

A good rule to get used to following no matter where you are is don't talk in local and if someone picks a fight with you don't say anything to them except good fight. If you whine and complain they'll only do it more. If you ask them nicely some people will stop, I've seen people pick fights and then reimburse the loser, all the wanted was a little pewpew, but more than likely not. If you get harassed, leave.

Another tip, add that person to your address book and set his standings to negative. Now keep an eye on local, if you see him enter local and your in a mission, leave it. You have a week to come back and finish it, but if you not there he can't scan you down and ruin it for you. Come back when he's not online or in system.

Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.08.31 01:13:00 - [40]
 

All this kindergarten, flaming and chestbeating belongs to General Discussion tbh.

If this kind of tone stays, you can kiss any kind of constructive posting in Features & Ideas goodbye ^^

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.08.31 01:45:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
SO EASY for all of you that have wasted 5 years of your life playing this game to say there's nothing wrong with it. Except the new people that can't get anywhere because you guys are the MIGHTY GODS of the game and we don't want new people we like it just the way it is. So we are gonna be A******* and just F&&* with them and drive them all away. So be it. Be A********, I don't care, its always the ones like you that troll the forums anyway the same way you troll new players, oh yeah, that was a great kill, your myrmidon vs an incursis of a player thats one month old, i bet you feel real good about yourself afterward, just like the 6'6" 280 pound guy that beats his 5'2 125 pound wife everyday, your the MAN, I'm willing to bet there are more people on my side than you think. I just happen to be a vocal one.


of you seem to be pretty ignorant and stupid

i havnt wasted 5 years of my life playing this game ihave enjoyed the last year and a half playing this game same goes for everyone els that playes this game and dosnt feel the earge to cry there eyes out on this fourm over something they are to ignorant or stupid to relise its working how it should

yes ive killed noobs ive killed 1 day old players for the hell of it the simple answer is i do it because i can ive then had some of those players threten me or convo me being good sports and asking what they did wrong and ive helped them as best i can.

""just like the 6'6" 280 pound guy that beats his 5'2 125 pound wife everyday, your the MAN"" if you even start enciting that agains people then bad things will prolly happen to you no one likes being compaired to a wife beater and i for one am pretty insulted that you make that comment agains me you have no idea who i am you dont know me or my familie all you know is my char in a GAME so what gives you the ****ing right to compair me or anyone els for that matter to someone that beats his wife

in RL i work hard i do whats best for my familie and i lovbe them i also respect my wife but eve isnt RL its a game i can be anyone i like in a game i choose to be the guy that kills you ive respected you in game i havnt insulted you asd ilike the rest of us played within the game mech but you have insulted us and compaired us to wife beaters.

i say only this more.

take a -10 pirate the type of guy that will kill anything and anyone the devil to you i bet you in the game hes a real ******* but in RL hes a decent nice guy or gal for that matter.

Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
Posted - 2009.08.31 02:28:00 - [42]
 

You know what I would bet would help solve this argument once and for all (I mean, besides CCP clearly stating that wrecks belong to no one) ? Statistics showing how many wrecks end up NOT being salvaged.

I am willing to bet that the *vast majority* of wrecks in the game end up being completely abandoned, left alone, to dissipate to heat death.

I believe this stat, that could equallyy be referre to by all, would show that this is *why* CCP says wrecks belong to no one.

I betcha that we, who train the salvage skills, are actually a *minority* of players over all.

nafiy gnaw
Posted - 2009.08.31 03:11:00 - [43]
 

Why the hell is there another thread about this?

First of all, "your" wrecks got stolen? big deal. Generally speaking, salvages makes about about 1/3 of a particular mission's income (which contains prize money, LP, and loot and salvage). However, do not forget the "oppurtunity cost" of a mission, suppose you took 50 min (40 min missioning, 10 min salvaging) to finish a mission that gives you 30 million (10million salvage, 20 everything else), thats 0.6 million per minute.

Now your loot got stolen and you only got 20milion out of that particular mission, so you spent 40 min missiong to obtain 20 million in reward, and now you are making 0.5million per minute. You just lost 1/6 of your money-making rate, is that really that "big" deal to cry about? In a pixel (ok, polygon....) game?

Look, eve is a tough harsh world. If you think people salvaging the wrecks you created is harsh, how about people blowing your brand new 1billion-worth T2 fitted T2 ship? How about people ransoming 100million off you then STILL blow you up? How about people blatently scam you 300million just because you trusted him? How about the guy who infiltrated the biggest alliance in Eve and disbanded it causing that alliance to lose roughly equivalent of $10000 real life money (and, one of the Few Titans there are by then)?

One last word, if you think that someone salvaging after you is unfair, then, well, there are quite a lot of things in this game that is at least 100 times more "unfair" than that....live with it, or, this game is not for you. Eve is not for everyone, of course and it will stay that (cold, harsh, unfair universe)way, for sure.


-narfi

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.08.31 04:48:00 - [44]
 

Oh, look. Someone new to add to my buddy list...

Serpent Kamri
Posted - 2009.08.31 06:46:00 - [45]
 

Stop fighting with the broken game mechanics in high sec and come to nullsec, here people understand that taking something valuable from a wreck that does not belong to you IS stealing ( usually people don't mind you salvaging as long as you ask nicely first ).

No, I really don't care about you copy-paste CCP quotes, they may want to keep some danger in high sec, but that doesn't mean it makes any kind of bloody sense.

McEivalley
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.31 08:32:00 - [46]
 

===============

AND HERE I AM

There needs to be a way players can PVP, especially in HI-SEC, without having to deal with harassment from game mechanics. Missions should be more accessible to other players. No point in playing a game in which you cant get anywhere cuz of a few **CENSORED** that ***** money and skilling up, and calling it "fun". Remember, you need to make money to buy skill books to train, but if that is all you do, what's the point in connecting to the internet and having E-human interaction. If they keep making money and just being another Exclamation in local, you cant call this game an MMO.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2009.08.31 08:53:00 - [47]
 

Given your attitude and the fact that you like to insult people here, I think I know why you are beeing followed. And I do actually aprove of his actions.

There are ways to protect yourself. Pointing them out to you would be a waste of time, though.

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.08.31 09:27:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
Petition correspondence removed. Zymurgist
===============

AND HERE I AM

There needs to be a way players can PVE, especially in HI-SEC, without having to deal with harrasment from other players that are far more experienced and you have no chance in **** of taking on. Missions should be off-limits to other players. No point in playing a game in which you cant get anywhere cuz of a few **CENSORED** that prevent you from making money and skilling up. Remember, you need to make money to buy skill books to train, if they keep stopping you from making money, you cant skill up except for the few skills you get when u start the game.



dont play multiplayer games, grab a single player offline one

Mad Maulkin
Posted - 2009.08.31 10:29:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
I came here to post an opinion on something i felt was wrong with the game, and instead of (with the exception of one) constructive criticism or explanations, i just get a bunch of flamers.
If thats the kind of people that play the game, who would want to join new anyway. Everyone in this game a bunch of a***** or is there someone decent that actually wants to make a decent comment.



Yeah, well next time you want to post an opinion, do just that, and leave out all the name calling and swearwords and selfreicheous bulldroppings...

youll find far less flamers, and many more plainly telling you they thing you are wrong... call them ****s and other dirty names and theyll respond in kind...

And calling valid gameplay harrasment... "snort", does not sound like an informed opinion... and you make loads of money without the salvage... so not really a good argument bro, you just make a little less money, dont mistake greed for need...

And to top it of, as long as you don shoot them and they don't shoot you, its not PVP, so unless you did something -lessthansmart-, it's pve...

if we are missing part of you argument, tell the story instead of pasting petitions... i'll bet you its stated somewhere that CCP vs player correspondence is to be kept private

Mad Maulkin
Posted - 2009.08.31 10:44:00 - [50]
 

How to post and not to be flamed!! Read below Merlin

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1165292

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.08.31 13:08:00 - [51]
 

Raise your hand if you decided to become a ninja salvager because of this thread.

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.08.31 14:14:00 - [52]
 

i alreadsy am one but i decided to do it even more

dose that count

Mad Maulkin
Posted - 2009.08.31 14:37:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Mad Maulkin on 31/08/2009 15:08:48
Edited by: Mad Maulkin on 31/08/2009 14:38:10
after having read all the forum posts (yes i have read them all) i was tempted, to stick one up their selfreicheous asses... But i am not that evil, not yet... Eve has yet to kill my soul...

Read my longer flame on moronic MR here... almost at the end of the page, dont know how to link at ta certain point in the page... any pointers anyone?

Edit: i figured it out...

Mystical Merlin
Posted - 2009.08.31 14:40:00 - [54]
 

1. I didnt start the flaming, i only continued it.
2. I could care less about the salvage overall, its the mission interruption that i find to be absolutely ******ed. You say salvage is a mini-profession, well so is missioning, but yet anyone can pop in on a mission and screw it up for you, plus get all the bounties and everything else. G-A-Y. End of story on that.
3. And for those of you who said grow up? How old are you and playing a video game? Nuff said.

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.08.31 15:07:00 - [55]
 

Yeah, unfortunately, there are a lot of mechanics in eve that favour people trying to screw over noobs, which is bad IMO. Veterans know better, and they don't have any problems with all these "game mechanics" (can flipping, wardecs, trash collection (aka, ninja salvage), suicide ganks). So it's really sad that they are there at all. I wonder, what sort of people openly encourage stealing candy from kids? Well, in a way, the people who play eve. But not all of us though.

The problem is, the only "simple" solution is to ban all "pew pew pvp" from hisec, and this sort of goes against the priciples of eve, and removes a lot of it's charm.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm on your side. But I think you'll have a hard time removing pew pew from highsec. If it ever happens, I'll be one of the people behind the banner. But unfortunately I don't see it happening in the near future.

Mad Maulkin
Posted - 2009.08.31 15:08:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
1. I didnt start the flaming, i only continued it.
2. I could care less about the salvage overall, its the mission interruption that i find to be absolutely ******ed. You say salvage is a mini-profession, well so is missioning, but yet anyone can pop in on a mission and screw it up for you, plus get all the bounties and everything else. G-A-Y. End of story on that.
3. And for those of you who said grow up? How old are you and playing a video game? Nuff said.



Unless there is some magic tale here you have not told: what are you on about, in case you did not notice your petiotion was removed, and i for one have not read it, so perhaps you should edit the original post and put in the story, in a non petiotion way so the new people can acctually understand what you are on about...

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.08.31 15:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin

3. And for those of you who said grow up? How old are you and playing a video game? Nuff said.



oh so you can only be a kid and play video games now

also try not to evade the profanity filters its bad mkay

ps. have you quite finished yet

4THELULZ
Posted - 2009.08.31 15:44:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE SALVAGE. EVERYONE MUST HAVE SAW THAT PART AND DIDNT FINISH READING! They brought in several ships and KILLED off my mission ships in the rest of the pockets and prevented me from finishing the mission because they had ownership of an item that was to be returned to the agent. So here its not just salvage, its BOUNTY, Mission Reward, Mission Bonus, Loyalty Points, that I no longer get. Oh, i do get the standing loss for having to quit the mission, lucky me.


/point
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:12:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Mystical Merlin
1. I didnt start the flaming, i only continued it.
2. I could care less about the salvage overall, its the mission interruption that i find to be absolutely ******ed. You say salvage is a mini-profession, well so is missioning, but yet anyone can pop in on a mission and screw it up for you, plus get all the bounties and everything else. G-A-Y. End of story on that.
3. And for those of you who said grow up? How old are you and playing a video game? Nuff said.



Yeah *****es! 'Nuff said!

haha this guy's tears are gold.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.31 21:06:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Metalcali on 31/08/2009 21:23:07
All you had to do was look on the forums yourself, along with advice to avoid such actions that have been taken against you. You have chosen to let them get to you, you have allowed them to flame you from your return flame, and at times whining, and you are the one complaining when you have a multitude of options to remedy your current situation.

EVE isn't for everyone, and above all else, it's a game that promotes pvp through the ability that anyone can do whatever they want if they are willing to take whatever consequences come with said action. Seeing as your last post implies you're leaving, have fun in whatever game you come across, but know that it won't match up to anything that could be done in EVE. ugh

edit: his last post was removed


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