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FS JitaTrader
Posted - 2009.08.30 00:40:00 - [1]
 

[Nighthawk, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Bay Loading Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x5

With my skills (NOT a lvl 5 *****) and some implants - 715 dps // 704 sustained def cap stable, if i jump into my low grade crystal clone then 905 sustained def cap stable.


Worth it ? good ? bad ? thoughts ?

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2009.08.30 02:28:00 - [2]
 

Pretty nice all around fit. Those invulns aren't cheap but I expect you know that. A 4th BCS wouldn't hurt. Nor a faction afterburner.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.30 03:12:00 - [3]
 

Wut. I loaded that fit into EFT and got the same defense but 575 dps (with max skills).

debbie harrio
Posted - 2009.08.30 06:51:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: debbie harrio on 30/08/2009 06:52:38
use a drake, you get same dps or fit it with beams for dps, that has the dps of a rotten tomato throwing oik...

waste of a billion isk ship there... I can get 3500 dps from mine.

Barton Foley
Posted - 2009.08.30 07:45:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: debbie harrio
Edited by: debbie harrio on 30/08/2009 06:52:38
use a drake, you get same dps or fit it with beams for dps, that has the dps of a rotten tomato throwing oik...

waste of a billion isk ship there... I can get 3500 dps from mine.


No, you can't.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.08.30 08:02:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 30/08/2009 08:07:17

Originally by: debbie harrio
use a drake, you get same dps or fit it with beams for dps, that has the dps of a rotten tomato throwing oik...waste of a billion isk ship there... I can get 3500 dps from mine.

HINT 1 : "volley damage" <> "DPS".
A Nighthawk can use more BCSs than a Drake while still maintaining a reasonable tank (passive preferably, but active works too, but then again if you go active you should really also use an afterburner), and it has more DPS output even with the same BCS count (assuming you're not stupid enough to fly it with L1 command ships or other such nonsense).

HINT 2 : a passively tanked, T2 active hardener NH will run pretty much any L4 just fine, and costs you under a quarter bil ISK.

To the OP : faction invuls are for really, really, REALLY lazy people. They give you a worse mission-specific tank than active T2s (with very few exceptions) and cost truckloads of ISK. So, in order to save 15-30 seconds on each mission (time needed to swap the hardeners), you are willing to lower your mission-specific tanked amount AND spend nearly 1 bil extra ? Well, your choice, I guess.
Personally, I avoid invuls for missions like the plague, and so should you... I mean, unless you are (for god knows what reason) running missions while at war or out of highsec. And even then, you'd use T2 invuls, not faction invuls, you don't want to be a pinata that's TOO tasty, now do you ?

debbie harrio
Posted - 2009.08.30 08:34:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: debbie harrio on 30/08/2009 08:38:26
Originally by: Barton Foley
Originally by: debbie harrio
Edited by: debbie harrio on 30/08/2009 06:52:38
use a drake, you get same dps or fit it with beams for dps, that has the dps of a rotten tomato throwing oik...

waste of a billion isk ship there... I can get 3500 dps from mine.


No, you can't.


well ok a slight exaggeration, volley ok, 2000 dps constant tho' easily, fit the correct weapons, a Nightmare is the most damage dealing BS in EVE, correctly fitted that is.... OOOPS, just realised your talking about the Nighthawk lol, *crawls off into a corner*


That'll teach me for coming on the forums after a night out still drunk.....

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.08.30 08:37:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Zaqar on 30/08/2009 08:41:36
Read the thread title again

e: Razz

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2009.08.30 08:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Akita T
To the OP : faction invuls are for really, really, REALLY lazy people. They give you a worse mission-specific tank than active T2s (with very few exceptions) and cost truckloads of ISK. So, in order to save 15-30 seconds on each mission (time needed to swap the hardeners), you are willing to lower your mission-specific tanked amount AND spend nearly 1 bil extra ? Well, your choice, I guess.
Personally, I avoid invuls for missions like the plague, and so should you... I mean, unless you are (for god knows what reason) running missions while at war or out of highsec. And even then, you'd use T2 invuls, not faction invuls, you don't want to be a pinata that's TOO tasty, now do you ?



Meh. I actually like having one on my Cerb but that is for being really, really, REALLY lazy on L3s. And L2s. (If you've never tried a CN BCUd Cerb with AMLs for L2s you're missing out. It's one of the funniest things you've seen in EVE.)

On a NH, though.... Yeah. Just go with specific tanks. It's not like it takes that long to swap out and people already suspect you of having enough spendy mods on there so you might as well do yourself a favor and not be a complete magnet for a suicide gank.

FS JitaTrader
Posted - 2009.08.30 08:45:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: FS JitaTrader on 30/08/2009 08:47:25

Originally by: Soporo
Wut. I loaded that fit into EFT and got the same defense but 575 dps (with max skills).


your obviously doing something wrong Confused
Linkage to prove it

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.08.30 08:57:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: FS JitaTrader
Edited by: FS JitaTrader on 30/08/2009 08:47:25

Originally by: Soporo
Wut. I loaded that fit into EFT and got the same defense but 575 dps (with max skills).


your obviously doing something wrong Confused
Linkage to prove it



I think something is wrong with your EFT. No way a Nighthawk can do that much damage, especially with HMLs.

I got 575dps with max skills, up to 635 with some implants.

Mr Reason
Posted - 2009.08.30 09:01:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Mr Reason on 30/08/2009 09:27:26
Originally by: FS JitaTrader
Edited by: FS JitaTrader on 30/08/2009 08:47:25

Originally by: Soporo
Wut. I loaded that fit into EFT and got the same defense but 575 dps (with max skills).


your obviously doing something wrong Confused
Linkage to prove it



Drones :)

FS JitaTrader
Posted - 2009.08.30 09:29:00 - [13]
 

eft is version 2.10.4

im not hiding anything you see what i see in the screnny...why would i lie?

FS JitaTrader
Posted - 2009.08.30 09:33:00 - [14]
 

lol Fail at eft moar.

Kleve Klaw
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.08.30 11:17:00 - [15]
 

I have just tried the fit and get 814 defence, 574 and 2641 volley and thats without implants. Only thing wrong is my cap will die at 10 minutes but a set of implants would sort that so he isnt lying.

Mita Nah'ru
Posted - 2009.08.30 12:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: FS JitaTrader
Edited by: FS JitaTrader on 30/08/2009 08:47:25

Originally by: Soporo
Wut. I loaded that fit into EFT and got the same defense but 575 dps (with max skills).


your obviously doing something wrong Confused
Linkage to prove it



I think something is wrong with your EFT. No way a Nighthawk can do that much damage, especially with HMLs.

I got 575dps with max skills, up to 635 with some implants.

Did you use tech2 high damage ammo? made a setup fast with the "all lvl5" profile and best hardwirings I could find - add drones and tech2 ammo and it gave 718 dps

theZJ
Caldari
Suicidal Trainingscamp
Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.08.30 13:07:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: theZJ on 30/08/2009 13:07:24
[Nighthawk, dmg]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Salvager I

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

5x Hobgoblin II

This is what I use to solo most of the Serpentis missions. It uses the mixture of speed, range and passive regeneration and resists to tank. Works against angel as well, just not that good because of missilespam. The hardeners are specific.
Love that setup. Its fast and ganky to fly, and does deal a great amount of damage (considering many passive NH fits)

Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.30 15:59:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: TimMc

I think something is wrong with your EFT. No way a Nighthawk can do that much damage, especially with HMLs.

I got 575dps with max skills, up to 635 with some implants.


I get over 800 DPS on my NH with all V + implants + drones, so yes it's possible.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.30 17:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: TimMc

I think something is wrong with your EFT. No way a Nighthawk can do that much damage, especially with HMLs.

I got 575dps with max skills, up to 635 with some implants.


I get over 800 DPS on my NH with all V + implants + drones, so yes it's possible.


How much dps form a Drake I wonder,with all those same implants and 5's.

Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.30 17:38:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 30/08/2009 17:39:07
Originally by: Soporo
Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: TimMc

I think something is wrong with your EFT. No way a Nighthawk can do that much damage, especially with HMLs.

I got 575dps with max skills, up to 635 with some implants.


I get over 800 DPS on my NH with all V + implants + drones, so yes it's possible.


How much dps form a Drake I wonder,with all those same implants and 5's.


682 DPS. That's with the setup I used before I got the NH (basically same setup as my NH).

FS JitaTrader
Posted - 2009.08.30 18:28:00 - [21]
 

Its ok trem i knew i was right, some of these guys on this forum need to look and think before posting.


But anyhow @ Atika - Yeah i agree mate about invuls tbh i dunno i just ajusted a previous set up i had and just left them there cause most of the time i will fit a rat specific hardner/s. Also i already have the CN invuls so not really haveing to splash out to much.

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2009.08.30 19:05:00 - [22]
 

Whaaa whaaa whaaa!!! Drake is better then NH, NH is better then Drake...

I've been flying me NH forever... simple T2 setup is more then sufficient (even though i've pimped it a lil now with some nice CN gear)

I tried Drake, i tried a Golem even... I didn't like them... so... i climbed back in my NH and all was well.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.08.30 21:52:00 - [23]
 

Now I am just really worried that my EFT is fubar.

Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
Posted - 2009.08.30 22:09:00 - [24]
 

I'd drop the dc for another bcu Twisted Evil

and no need for the crystal implants, a set of +5s will do just fine.

and I did just get 800 dps with all lv 5 and implants. 785dps with spec 4, which is pretty much what I have, only in battleship launchers, never much liked the medium sized ships.

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2009.08.30 23:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Now I am just really worried that my EFT is fubar.

EFT IS fubar.

The EFT settings never seem to be a reality in the actual fittings. Some items are but so many are way way off...

Kingslayer2
Gallente
Lords of Thunder
Posted - 2009.08.31 04:21:00 - [26]
 

here is my nighthawk setup

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field and officers mods passive amps...you get the picture
Pithum C-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defence Field Purger
Large Core Defence Field Purger

5xt2 hornets

grouped dps around 2580

all skills to lvl 5 and 5% hardwires

can do lvl4 missions that have blood raiders and switch the Invulnerability Field for a passive amp and you can just set there killing rats while your cap is drained

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.08.31 05:43:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kingslayer2

grouped dps around 2580



Surely you're confusing volley with DPS...

More Tono
Gallente
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:45:00 - [28]
 

The only reason anybody has one is cause there black and black is just cool. LOL

N Ano
Caldari
Templars of Space
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:16:00 - [29]
 

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

2x Rat specific hardeners
10mn Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger
Medium Core Defence Field Purger

5x Hornet II

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:40:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 29/09/2009 10:45:05
Originally by: MaxxOmega
EFT IS fubar. The EFT settings never seem to be a reality in the actual fittings. Some items are but so many are way way off...

Name several that were ever reported as bugged and were still bugged the following EFT version(s).
Name several that ARE bugged right now, in the current version, and describe exactly how you believe it's bugged.
If you can name some, it will most likely either be stuff that has some very obscure in-game function... but more often, you will discover that no, the item itself isn't bugged in EFT, but instead you simply either didn't know what the item actually does, or worse, you have no clue how to use EFT and instead of trying to figure it out you give up and go "EFT screws up too often" even if it isn't true.
EFT is pretty damn accurate, and it's getting more and more accurate as time goes on.
Claiming EFT gets a lot of stuff wrong (without backing that claim up with facts) doesn't really get you any points with anybody that matters.
___

Back to the issue of the thread...

People, seriously, active-tanked Nighthawk can be nice... but it's pretty much pointless to active-fit it WITHOUT an afterburner to just drag along the area, and it's nasty to load in Fury ammo due to the sig radius penalty.
If you're going to be slow and huge, you might as well fit a passive tank, at least it's dirt cheap that way, and you're not really missing anything from the active fit.


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