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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:37:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Saehta
You need an ingame court before you can file an ingame charge


I agree

Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
SRS.
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:39:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?


It's over 9000 million?

I support a good witch burning as much as anyone, but this is just comedy.

*looks at pitchfork*
*looks at torch*
*lights pitchfork on fire*

RABBLE RABBLE

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:40:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Rhivre on 28/08/2009 19:41:11
Originally by: Block Ukx


I'm quite serious. As described in the OP:

CHARGES


  • Embezzlement and Theft

  • Wire Fraud

  • Bank Fraud

  • Conspiracy to Defraud

  • Money Laundering






As mentioned in my previous posts, there is no evidence that any of these "offences" are actually in breach of any current regulations.
Until such time as any such legislation is detailed, any claims made are tantamount to slander and libel against the parties you cite as defendents.

Please note that my fees for checking interstellar legislation shall be added to any costs in any counter suits that are filed.

As stated before, if any such documentation is provided, then I will be happy to admit my errors.


PS: Buy my reasonably priced items!

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:42:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Jin Nib
I'd find this alot more intresting and amusing if CCP wern't on the defendants list. I really don't get why they would be (esspecaily if this thing is supposed to be an in game... thing). But then again he included Ray on the list who simply had the misfortune to turn over the rose and find the turd.


CCP removed ISK that was EBANK's customers. (Theft)

Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme.


Originally by: Jin Nib

Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden.


So we should all look away like nothing happened?



Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:57:00 - [95]
 

Ukx think he is ALL citizens of EVE.
When in fact he is nothing but a slave child....
To bad the amarr couldnt manage to keep their pets in a leash...

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:58:00 - [96]
 

there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:03:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Ji Sama
there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.


Can we get a verification on Gallente, Amarrian and Minmatar laws also?


I am inclined to think that the Serpentis, Angel Cartel, Blood Raider, Guristas and Sanshas are fairly neutral on their stance regarding this matter, however, they may even be in favour of any alleged wrongdoing.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:07:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx

CCP removed ISK that was EBANK's customers. (Theft)
Oh?

Quote:
Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme.
No he's not. If he were to continue taking investments and continuing to operate at deficit and in short continuing the mess that got EBANK where it is then yes you could include him. But it seems to me that he is the one who discovered the problem exposed the problem and is now trying to deal with the problem.

You see in order to be charged with a crime there should be compeling reason to asume someone has actually commitied one.

Quote:

Originally by: Jin Nib

Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden.


So we should all look away like nothing happened?

No, the ones who were actually wronged are the only ones who should be taking action. Secondly I hardly see this as a criminal case, try for a civil one.

The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.

You want payback start blowing their **** up, attack their defaulters. Filing a whine on the forums ain't going to accomplish much.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:09:00 - [99]
 

I'm thinking that the people on the list ought to take action against Block for the grief that this class action has caused.


I'll settle for 1.2 trill.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:09:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Ji Sama
there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.


That would be for a Trial Jury to decide.



Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:12:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Ji Sama
there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.


That would be for a Trial Jury to decide.





No, you cannot have a trial without having a law being broken.

You cannot go to the expense of assembling a jury, and the court, on the basis of "Well, I think this might be illegal"

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:12:00 - [102]
 

there are no jurys in caldari, only corporations and their leaders.
we operate by a strict business code. and while ebank is bad business, it is not illegal to run a bad business, the punishment lies in absence of new business ventures, not simple law of the mob.
good thing we dont have slaves running our part of space....

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:13:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Jin Nib

The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.



Again, let me stated very clearly. These are in-game criminal charges, not a RL lawsuit.



LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:15:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: LaVista Vista on 28/08/2009 20:15:37
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Jin Nib

The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.



Again, let me stated very clearly. These are farce charges, not a RL lawsuit.




Fixed it for you Razz

Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:17:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
I'm thinking that the people on the list ought to take action against Block for the grief that this class action has caused.


I'll settle for 1.2 trill.


I can remember when you had a big flashy Ebank signature and used to glory in being associated Ebank.

Now ofc you were barely associated with them and obviously had absolutely nothing to do with the loss of 1.2trillion

You are pathetic beyond words

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:17:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Jin Nib on 28/08/2009 20:17:41
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Jin Nib

The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.



Again, let me stated very clearly. These are in-game criminal charges, not a RL lawsuit.



Yeah I am aware of that. I too was referring to in-game.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:19:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Rhivre

No, you cannot have a trial without having a law being broken.



"As a division within the CONCORD the SCC is jointly run by the empires and thus ensures a safe and universally regulated trade environment."



Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:23:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Rhivre on 28/08/2009 20:27:26
Edited by: Rhivre on 28/08/2009 20:26:39
Originally by: Block Ukx


"As a division within the CONCORD the SCC is jointly run by the empires and thus ensures a safe and universally regulated trade environment."





Which regulation was broken?

EDIT: Also, the SCC only relates to trade, and specifically trade within regions, with relation to keeping all dealings secret.

"A joint initiative of the Minmatar Republic and the Jovian Empire have also ensured that the SCC, although under the control of the empires through the CONCORD, acts under the strictest neutrality codes, the same as the InterBus and other empire-run institutions. This is to ensure that all dealings are not only secure, but also secret, with no chance of governmental interference"

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:23:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Roguehalo


I can remember when you had a big flashy Ebank signature and used to glory in being associated Ebank.

Now ofc you were barely associated with them and obviously had absolutely nothing to do with the loss of 1.2trillion

You are pathetic beyond words

I thank you for expressing your highly relevant feelings about me.

I'm extremely impressed with your logic about how the lack of an EBANK signature meaning that I now am now barely associated with EBANK. Clearly my talking to EBANK people and posting on the EBANK forum is just an attempt by myself to stay relevant.

Want a hug? ugh

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:24:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds. ...
When I first read this I too laughed and said what a nutcase.

But then I thought about it.

At the formation of the Bank there were many well known people from MP who staked their reputation on the fact that this was not going to be a scam and more importantly that they would make sure that their was proper oversight into the operation of EBANK.

They have failed.

As much as I respect all those people listed they did fail. In my business when I make a mistake I make it right. I give people what they ask for and take off part of the cost for the inconvenience.

The people who formed EBANK put their rep on the line and should put their own isk back into EBANK to make up for the losses that should NOT have happened if they had done the proper oversight. Unless they do then no one should take their word from now on for any business transaction or IPO they are a part of.

I know I am going to take flak for this... but MD people used their reputation to get people to put trillions of isk into EBANK. A court case isn't going to go anywhere but all people of EVE should hold these Past Directors responsible till they make good the loses they caused by their lack of control and oversight.

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:36:00 - [111]
 

This thread is now about kittens (& lavista vista's epeen)

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:45:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Ji Sama
This thread is now about kittens (& lavista vista's epeen)

Nuff' said.

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:48:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Ji Sama
This thread is now about kittens (& lavista vista's epeen)


As La Vistas legal counsel, I take objection to your comparison of his e-peen to a kitten.

I shall see you in court!

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 20:50:00 - [114]
 

and i shall see you in court, accused of falsely accusing me of comparing lavistas epeen to a kitten...

also: vista's link is teh broken = fail

cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2009.08.28 21:17:00 - [115]
 

just logged in, my take on events:

1. Original BOD, plus additional joining board members hold full responsibilty, except:

Ray (joined after mess, trying to deal with situation)
Omber Zombie (same as Ray)
Shar tegral (resigned/forced out after he complained about reporting standards and Ricdic's behaviour
AC155/PP Responsible for industrial side of EBANK
Athre (Teller, and only appointed as Chairman when the other board members tried to run for cover)

2. It is a nice idea that they hold the cash (continue the fraud), and try to work back to 2T. What investors really want is to get as much cash as possible and have EBANK closed.

3. As the company was private make a settlement from the BOD members to contribute a cash settlement.
As the company was private all BOD members are either singulurlyy or wholly responsible, meaning whoever has to pay to make up the 1.2T is of no concern.
This should include Selene backing EBANK funds with profits from EOH (Eve Online Holdem), or launch as an IPO and inject the proceeds into EBANK as part of settlemet.

4. EBANK should definately close, keeping it open is continuing rubbing all investors in the face.


If Ray agrees to close EBANK, I do believe he will do his best to get the best settlement for all investors.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 21:19:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
just logged in, my take on events:

1. Original BOD, plus additional joining board members hold full responsibilty, except:

Ray (joined after mess, trying to deal with situation)
Omber Zombie (same as Ray)
Shar tegral (resigned/forced out after he complained about reporting standards and Ricdic's behaviour
AC155/PP Responsible for industrial side of EBANK
Athre (Teller, and only appointed as Chairman when the other board members tried to run for cover)

2. It is a nice idea that they hold the cash (continue the fraud), and try to work back to 2T. What investors really want is to get as much cash as possible and have EBANK closed.

3. As the company was private make a settlement from the BOD members to contribute a cash settlement.
As the company was private all BOD members are either singulurlyy or wholly responsible, meaning whoever has to pay to make up the 1.2T is of no concern.
This should include Selene backing EBANK funds with profits from EOH (Eve Online Holdem), or launch as an IPO and inject the proceeds into EBANK as part of settlemet.

4. EBANK should definately close, keeping it open is continuing rubbing all investors in the face.


If Ray agrees to close EBANK, I do believe he will do his best to get the best settlement for all investors.

Tornsoul and *****monger was on the original BoD.

Should they pay up?

cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2009.08.28 21:25:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: cosmoray
just logged in, my take on events:

1. Original BOD, plus additional joining board members hold full responsibilty, except:

Ray (joined after mess, trying to deal with situation)
Omber Zombie (same as Ray)
Shar tegral (resigned/forced out after he complained about reporting standards and Ricdic's behaviour
AC155/PP Responsible for industrial side of EBANK
Athre (Teller, and only appointed as Chairman when the other board members tried to run for cover)

2. It is a nice idea that they hold the cash (continue the fraud), and try to work back to 2T. What investors really want is to get as much cash as possible and have EBANK closed.

3. As the company was private make a settlement from the BOD members to contribute a cash settlement.
As the company was private all BOD members are either singulurlyy or wholly responsible, meaning whoever has to pay to make up the 1.2T is of no concern.
This should include Selene backing EBANK funds with profits from EOH (Eve Online Holdem), or launch as an IPO and inject the proceeds into EBANK as part of settlemet.

4. EBANK should definately close, keeping it open is continuing rubbing all investors in the face.


If Ray agrees to close EBANK, I do believe he will do his best to get the best settlement for all investors.

Tornsoul and *****monger was on the original BoD.

Should they pay up?


If they were part of the BOD, then yes.
All board members should be added to the thieves of Eve list.

It was a private institution, and you all perpitrated the biggest SCAM in Eve history, there should be no hiding

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 21:38:00 - [118]
 


Quote:
If they were part of the BOD, then yes.


They were, like for a full month. Never actually ever posted on the forum.

Quote:
All board members should be added to the thieves of Eve list.

It was a private institution, and you all perpitrated the biggest SCAM in Eve history, there should be no hiding

That's like saying that a person who's in debt is a thief, because he can't immediately pay back on a loan.

I know it's a bit off that analogy. But say that 12 months down the road, everybody is paid in full. How can you then justify having these people on the list of thieves?

cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2009.08.28 21:45:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista

Quote:
If they were part of the BOD, then yes.


They were, like for a full month. Never actually ever posted on the forum.

Quote:
All board members should be added to the thieves of Eve list.

It was a private institution, and you all perpitrated the biggest SCAM in Eve history, there should be no hiding

That's like saying that a person who's in debt is a thief, because he can't immediately pay back on a loan.

I know it's a bit off that analogy. But say that 12 months down the road, everybody is paid in full. How can you then justify having these people on the list of thieves?


1. The BOD list can always be reviewed. If TS and others left after a molnth then they shouldn't probaly be included like wise Ray and OZ who joined at the end.
2. Thieves of Eve can be reviewed after a year too.
3. You are gonna **** everyone off even more if you hang on to what's left of their cash for another year.
4. Customers want out, and get what they can out, but the BOD's ego's are too big to admit they screwed up.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 21:47:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: cosmoray

4. Customers want out, and get what they can out, but the BOD's ego's are too big to admit they screwed up.

I don't know if I read a different thread than you. But I seem to recall Ray stating several times that we are looking into that option.


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