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Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:37:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: iP0D

2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose ...


Afford to lose does not mean its ok to commint a crime.




Unfortunately it is only a crime if a law is broken Sir, however, if you can point me to the federation charter where this is specifically named as a crime, any faction will suffice, then I will happily retire :)

Agent Known
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:38:00 - [62]
 

Okay, and how do you plan to "punish" these people? Wardeccing them? Laughing

Seriously, it's virtual money. It's also EVE....nothing like EVE to cause e-drama to a point where someone has to roleplay a lawsuit.

Crosskeys
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:39:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Gentileman
This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.



Toooooo late.

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:40:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Crosskeys
Originally by: Gentileman
This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.



Toooooo late.



first on page 4

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:42:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Agent Known
Okay, and how do you plan to "punish" these people? Wardeccing them? Laughing

Seriously, it's virtual money. It's also EVE....nothing like EVE to cause e-drama to a point where someone has to roleplay a lawsuit.


I'm trying to get them prosecuted. It would be to the "Judge" to determine best cause of action regarding punishment.


Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:42:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Ji Sama


first on page 4


Quoting Ji Sama for inability to count

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:43:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Crosskeys
Originally by: Gentileman
This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.



Toooooo late.


Perhaps,
But I believe crimes must have consequences.


Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:51:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Ji Sama


first on page 4


Quoting Ji Sama for inability to count


quoting rhivre quoting myself!


edit: also first on page 5

HawkBlade
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:03:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
But I believe crimes must have consequences.
I agree with this but sadly your execution is pretty poorly done. It's dramatastic and makes you once again seemingly relevant but it is a tempest in a teacup. You will effect little effect in the way of results, solutions, or retribution. The only thing you are doing is engaging in more FUD.

I think I can say this without risk of contradiction: You had enough credibility with most of the principles that you could've contacted people (at least myself) and received answers. Now, all you are doing is spinning your (and other people's) wheels. Not to mention slandering some faultless people in your unfocused lumbering around.

I must re-iterate: Had credibility with me. Your attempt is pathetic and I find your professional-ish demeanor a mockery of the forum and those named. In essence, your fu is weak.

Kitchie
Gallente
Vikramaditya
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:07:00 - [70]
 

If it was possible to effect some kind of court case, it would definitely be interesting but unless you can get all the parties to agree to answer questions "under oath" it's difficult to see how it can progress.

The thing that I'd really like to know is: DBANK was constantly being compared with EBANK and EBANK's standard superior answer was that they had established checks and balances along with divided responsibility. Erm.... Can you tell us a little more about how that worked.

DBANK was 100% Manalapan. Everyone knew that and a one man show was always the biggest risk. Yes, it failed but at least everyone knows why.

I can't see how it will work but I support this action in principal because I'm curious as to who is responsible for fraud, who incompetence, who ignorance and who just laziness. I just feel that what we know so far doesn't add up.


Kitchie
Gallente
Vikramaditya
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:13:00 - [71]
 

And Shar, you are right in your analysis about the effectiveness of this but you're in the fortunate position of knowing substantially more about what was going on, and the people involved, than the majority of us.

I'm also fairly certain that, for the sake of avoiding pointlessness, there is a lot more that you could say about the situation than currently is publicly available.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:22:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.



I plead the 5th Laughing

Shoten Kishi
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:23:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Shoten Kishi on 28/08/2009 17:23:48
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx
But I believe crimes must have consequences.
I agree with this but sadly your execution is pretty poorly done. It's dramatastic and makes you once again seemingly relevant but it is a tempest in a teacup. You will effect little effect in the way of results, solutions, or retribution. The only thing you are doing is engaging in more FUD.

I think I can say this without risk of contradiction: You had enough credibility with most of the principles that you could've contacted people (at least myself) and received answers. Now, all you are doing is spinning your (and other people's) wheels. Not to mention slandering some faultless people in your unfocused lumbering around.

I must re-iterate: Had credibility with me. Your attempt is pathetic and I find your professional-ish demeanor a mockery of the forum and those named. In essence, your fu is weak.



I agree in principal with what Block is doing in spirit. I also doubt Block really thinks any real in game 'court proceedings' can come from this post. I think the post is dramatic, and role-playing in style and form.

I do however think, it is having the intended effect of calling people out onto the 'carpet' of the forums, listing 'charges' against those he feels responsible, and starting a dialogue in regards the wrongs he believes were committed.

I also think that there is a case of sorts going on in these forums, the case of public opinion.

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:26:00 - [74]
 

Im confuddled if this is a huge joke or not.

...maybe its the cold meds

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:27:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx


Perhaps,
But I believe crimes must have consequences.




Before you can proceed good Sir, you must first provide evidence of a crime being commited, specifically stating which articles have been breached. Failure to do so may leave you open for a counter-suit for libel, and charges of wasting the courts and law enforcements time.
As previously stated, interstellar or faction charters will suffice, however, at this point I feel this cannot be pursued, as you have failed to state which laws you believe the defendents have breached.

There are also several precedents where the outcome has been "working as intended, move along Sir, nothing to see".

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:29:00 - [76]
 

May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.

Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:30:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.

Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.


can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank? Razz

Dear Abby
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:31:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: Ray McCormack
I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.



I plead the 5th Laughing


Let Me find My special internet Lawyering Pants and hat combo - we will have you cleared of this in no time.

fake edit1: you can't plead the 5th that's American law lets plead the 6mm that's metric right should work for global law.

fake edit 2: when the court is called to order - grab me a cheeseburger - I'm feeling a bit peckish.


LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:32:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: LaVista Vista on 28/08/2009 17:35:05
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: LaVista Vista
May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.

Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.


can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank? Razz

I suggest that the jury as made up of CSM2.

EDIT: No, not really CSM3.

Tre Circuit
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:43:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Dear Abby


fake edit 2: when the court is called to order - grab me a cheeseburger - I'm feeling a bit peckish.




I think Waffles should be served to the jurors and pancakes to the plantiffs and defendants. Only the judge gets to pick what he/she wants.


Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:45:00 - [81]
 

I don't know if I should feel lucky or upset about your list of "Defendents".

I do know that trying to eat just about any food with my new braces is a PITA, but I sleep better knowing that they only cost me about 1.3T. The hard part was finding an orthondists that plays Eve. Thanks MD.

Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:47:00 - [82]
 

You need an ingame court before you can file an ingame charge

Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
Posted - 2009.08.28 18:38:00 - [83]
 

Is this just a crazy joke or are you quite serious?

What exactly is it we broke intentionally?

Concord provides consquenses from suicide gankers not investments of any type. If they did, then I suggest we go back to FURY bank and have them properly liquidate that bank 1st.

Regarding cross filed complaints. Please keep in mind your mineral venture only pays out 60%. If you were any type of a real business man you'd pay out 100% in say 2 to 4 weeks time to give enough space to liquidate stock. You've always billed your venture as a growth fund. While it works well on paper, the realized growth never seems to quite be in hand.

TLDR- Dont throw stones in glass houses.

HawkBlade
Posted - 2009.08.28 18:46:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Athre
TLDR- Dont throw stones in glass houses.
No need to get that drastic. These forums would be deserted if they followed that rule.

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 18:49:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: HawkBlade
No need to get that drastic. These forums would be deserted if they followed that rule.




Sshh....I dont get much chance to get out my wizard hat and robe in Eve, let the nice man continue.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.08.28 18:58:00 - [86]
 

I'd find this alot more intresting and amusing if CCP wern't on the defendants list. I really don't get why they would be (esspecaily if this thing is supposed to be an in game... thing). But then again he included Ray on the list who simply had the misfortune to turn over the rose and find the turd.

Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden. I have nothing to do with e-bank how could I possibly file charges against them? Last point is there are 4 empires existant, you'd probably have to file in one of them or all of them. And doubtless those Gallente scum would back you up but thats not saying much.

9/10
Good troll sir, good troll.Confused

Note: Money Laundry? What is that a detergent?

Khun SP
Paramite Factories
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:08:00 - [87]
 

They will never recognize EBANK is a long-term scam, but it is...

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:30:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Athre
Is this just a crazy joke or are you quite serious?

What exactly is it we broke intentionally?


I'm quite serious. As described in the OP:

CHARGES


  • Embezzlement and Theft

  • Wire Fraud

  • Bank Fraud

  • Conspiracy to Defraud

  • Money Laundering






Redbad
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:31:00 - [89]
 

Block got some nice info in this thread through this sharp edged post, that wasn't known yet by me. That is good.

For now: We could make a case and file it here. Wink

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:36:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: LaVista Vista
May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.

Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.


can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank? Razz


You cannot be on the jury because you are an EBANK director. You can represent EBANK if you like.



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