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iP0D
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:11:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Rhivre


However, is it a crime in the jurisdiction of concord?


I'm sure KIA will give them sanctuary outside of Concord jurisdiction Very Happy

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:11:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: iP0D
Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.



"Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."


Quoted from here.




However, is it a crime in the jurisdiction of concord?


The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.


Irata Skyfire
Too Bad II
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:12:00 - [33]
 

Taking the EBank case to ... ECourt ?

Or just a clever way to get a list of account holders with their account balances, complete with an estimate of how much you'd have to pay them once trading frozen accounts is enabled by EBank, before the competition does ?

James Tundra
Gallente
Tundra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:13:00 - [34]
 

Confirming that I will be receiving ISK.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:14:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?



The total funds collected by EBANK are considered part of the scheme to defraud. This is a very standard practice in US law. According to EBANK statistics (website), EBANK collected nearly 10 T ISK.


Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:15:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx


The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.




This is fine, however, the criminal charges have to be relevent in the jurisdiction in which you are bringing the case. And I am not entirely sure where concord stands on this. You cannot bring criminal charges for a law that has not been broken.

iP0D
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:17:00 - [37]
 

Concord has no stance on this. They are imaginary npc entities with only enough brain to rightfully criminally flag people with negative sec status when they are silly enough to go through Concord sovereign space.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:18:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Irata Skyfire
Taking the EBank case to ... ECourt ?

Or just a clever way to get a list of account holders with their account balances, complete with an estimate of how much you'd have to pay them once trading frozen accounts is enabled by EBank, before the competition does ?


I have no desire to purchase EBANK account and furthering the fraud scheme.





SentryRaven
KIA Corporation
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:19:00 - [39]
 

I plead guilty, I have been running the forums, helpdesk and bugtracker to help the BoD in running EBANK, which in return allowed me to touch Ray in forbidden places.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:19:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx


I have no desire to purchase EBANK account and furthering the fraud scheme.






I'll sell you them for cheap. The bulk of it for 20 trillion.

Deal?

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:20:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds.

Where is this evidence?

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:20:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Block Ukx


The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.




This is fine, however, the criminal charges have to be relevent in the jurisdiction in which you are bringing the case. And I am not entirely sure where concord stands on this. You cannot bring criminal charges for a law that has not been broken.


You bring an interesting question. I don't know the answer.



iP0D
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:22:00 - [43]
 

Alright,

I accuse Ebank and Ebank staff of handling their venture as if it were a virtual adventure in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game.



Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:23:00 - [44]
 

Ricdic - Agree, well he did scam 250bil isk. If it was not for this I would disagree, ricdic did tons of work for EBANK while a lot of BOD did nothing.

Hexxx - Agree, he is the one that says its not a public company and they don't have to report anything. See what happens when you dont report.

Athre - Maybe, when I was with EBANK athre did tons of work, and had very little say in what was going on. Not sure how much she has to do with them cutting off funds right now, which is why its a maybe.

LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.

Mr. Horizontal - Same as above, but he did ask for reporting and fight for it. We had many disagreemnts on things but he wanted things more public and more reporting.

SencneS - Goes with LaVista.

Sentry Raven - Goes with LaVista.

Shar Tegral - He left Ebank because he seen the problems occuring and told the public about them.

Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.

I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.

I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.



Ray McCormack - Disagree

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:23:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: iP0D
Concord has no stance on this. They are imaginary npc entities with only enough brain to rightfully criminally flag people with negative sec status when they are silly enough to go through Concord sovereign space.



Well in that case, as far as the laws of new eden, there are only 2.

1) Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose - penalty: Loss of said vessel
2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose - Penalty: Loss of aforementioned investment and requirement to shout on the forums.

With a revision to add:

1b) By undocking you consent to someone shooting at you.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:24:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Block Ukx
Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds.

Where is this evidence?



The indictment along with the evidence will be presented at a later time to a properly form Grand Jury.




Leowen
Industrial Giants
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:25:00 - [47]
 

Haha brilliant.

The really funny thing is all those jumping to the defence of the perpetrators. Baaaaaa!

Laughing

Skyvyr
Caldari
Ascendent.
On the Rocks
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:26:00 - [48]
 

This thread delivers.

... but sadly not the customer's isk.

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:27:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Ray McCormack on 28/08/2009 16:27:59
Originally by: Proton Power
the freighter program I started and handed over to AC

That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.

Edit. Not saying it's your fault, but don't claim it as the profit machine it clearly wasn't.

Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Proton Power
the freighter program I started and handed over to AC

That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.



When it was turned over it was making 5%, over time fregihters dropped in value yes. But I htink all you need is about 2% to cover the isk correct?

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:30:00 - [51]
 

Exhibit #3

Originally by: Proton Power
Ricdic - Agree, well he did scam 250bil isk. If it was not for this I would disagree, ricdic did tons of work for EBANK while a lot of BOD did nothing.

Hexxx - Agree, he is the one that says its not a public company and they don't have to report anything. See what happens when you dont report.

Athre - Maybe, when I was with EBANK athre did tons of work, and had very little say in what was going on. Not sure how much she has to do with them cutting off funds right now, which is why its a maybe.

LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.

Mr. Horizontal - Same as above, but he did ask for reporting and fight for it. We had many disagreemnts on things but he wanted things more public and more reporting.

SencneS - Goes with LaVista.

Sentry Raven - Goes with LaVista.

Shar Tegral - He left Ebank because he seen the problems occuring and told the public about them.

Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.

I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.

I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.



Ray McCormack - Disagree



Thanks for your statement.

My argument is that Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme and forcing customers to take a loss they are not responsible for.


LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:30:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Proton Power

LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.



Confirming that I saw tons of reports which I have no idea what were supposed to be about, while working with keeping the website alive and pull logs for tellers on a regular basis.

Wait.. What reports? I'm a sucker for numbers and graphs. Show me the reports! Mad

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:31:00 - [53]
 


Exhibit #4

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Edited by: Ray McCormack on 28/08/2009 16:27:59
Originally by: Proton Power
the freighter program I started and handed over to AC

That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.

Edit. Not saying it's your fault, but don't claim it as the profit machine it clearly wasn't.


Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:31:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
My argument is that Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme and forcing customers to take a loss they are not responsible for.

I agree. I'm a terrible person and must be stopped.

Leowen
Industrial Giants
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:32:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Proton Power
...blah

Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.

I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.

I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.




Oooo I think I hear plea bargaining. Interestinger and interestinger. Sign me up for the class action suit. I'll even front some ISKies for the barristers retainer.

HawkBlade
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:32:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Block Ukx
  • Shar Tegral



I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed.

The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available.

The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice.

While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'Celeste

Do you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for?

PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:33:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: iP0D

2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose ...


Afford to lose does not mean its ok to commint a crime.


Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:36:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx
  • Shar Tegral



I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed.

The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available.

The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice.

While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'Celeste

Do you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for?

PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.



He actually missed a lot of names, some of which are still on the BOD if not mistaking. I agree you should be cleared of all charges, you tried to tell people including myself about ric, we wouldnt listen.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:36:00 - [59]
 

I think there are two names missing in the OP.

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2009.08.28 16:37:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Block Ukx on 28/08/2009 16:37:13
Exhibit #5
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx
  • Shar Tegral



I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed.

The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available.

The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice.

While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'Celeste

Do you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for?

PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.



Thanks for your statement. The list of targets is not the final one. If there is sufficient evidence to charge additional individuals, then they will be added.


EDIT: corrected exhibit number


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