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Sulg
Pilots of Epic
Roughneck Regulators
Posted - 2009.08.26 11:02:00 - [1]
 

So, I recently got a few rl buds into the game, and a few took to mining to begin their journey into EVE. Now, EVE is full of people who want to make statements and names for themselves, but I thought the following was a bit odd at the least.

In the period of one week, two of my friends on separate occasions had their jet cans yanked, both in high sec obviously. What I found both a bit silly and funny was the fact that both times, the act was perpetrated not by pirates or confused newbies, but by players who had been in the game for at least a year each according to their employment histories.

I mean, we're talking about a Myrmidon stealing from a Navitas and an Orca from a Retriever. Both times the the can flippers said they just wanted to make a point, and gave most of the ore back after some talking over.

So, I'm curious how you all feel about this. Should we can flip newbies to teach them a lesson about how EVE can, if nothing else, be a b**** at times, or are vets more of a threat than non-existent high sec pirates?

Lordofdarkness13
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.26 11:49:00 - [2]
 

thats not how it works.

you flip the ore into another can and ransom them, then shoot the can when they pay.
thats how its meant to be done, none of this carebear giving it back

Blasphemour
Posted - 2009.08.26 12:28:00 - [3]
 

Your story is incomplete, what was the talk about? What point did they want to make?

Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.26 12:43:00 - [4]
 

Actuially the great irony is that miners screamed for can flagging and now it mostly works horribly against them.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.08.26 13:10:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
Actuially the great irony is that miners screamed for can flagging and now it mostly works horribly against them.

"Be careful what you wish for - you will be getting what you ASKED for, not what you need" Laughing

Neawt
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.08.26 14:45:00 - [6]
 

Second day of Eve my can was looted. I knew about can flipping from reading Halada's "The Complete Miner's Guide" so I didn't respond in my mining rig. I'd also read "The Beginners Guide to Piracy" and had my Merlin back in the dock with the recommended pirate fitting.

Only thing I learned is that one year old characters tend to get ****ed when killed by a two day old.

Brock Dillinger
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2009.08.26 15:42:00 - [7]
 

A flipper GAVE BACK what he/she took? Wow, what a p***y move...

Here I was expecting yet another can-flipping whine thread, and got a report of--- never mind. *shakes head*

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.26 16:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
Actuially the great irony is that miners screamed for can flagging and now it mostly works horribly against them.

"Be careful what you wish for - you will be getting what you ASKED for, not what you need" Laughing

ungtill you learn to exploit that by haveing a small group of ships handy to blow the crap out of the fliper and his buddys. or better yet headfake him into getting himself concorduken

also know as "when will can flipers learn to pay attention to local and whos in it" non rant

destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
Posted - 2009.08.26 16:52:00 - [9]
 

wait, moment...
WHERE exactly is an Orca can-flipping ? System/Belt/Time please!

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.08.26 16:54:00 - [10]
 

The point is not the ore... unless your that daft to leave large amounts of it around.

The point is to goad you into shooting them so they can blow you up.

1: Dont jet can unless your going to be quick about transporting it.
2: Ignore them and they only end up walking away with useless rock.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.08.26 17:17:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
The point is not the ore... unless your that daft to leave large amounts of it around.

The point is to goad you into shooting them so they can blow you up.

1: Dont jet can unless your going to be quick about transporting it.
2: Ignore them and they only end up walking away with useless rock.


Hulk plus cargo expenders = Mammoth with strip miners. 4 cycles (5 if you're low skills) and you're full. Warp to base, deposit ore. Repeat as necessary to become known as the Chribba of Scordite (Sorry, Veldspar's taken)

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.08.26 17:44:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Drake Draconis
The point is not the ore... unless your that daft to leave large amounts of it around.

The point is to goad you into shooting them so they can blow you up.

1: Dont jet can unless your going to be quick about transporting it.
2: Ignore them and they only end up walking away with useless rock.


Hulk plus cargo expenders = Mammoth with strip miners. 4 cycles (5 if you're low skills) and you're full. Warp to base, deposit ore. Repeat as necessary to become known as the Chribba of Scordite (Sorry, Veldspar's taken)


Add Orca to that and you got yourself an effective Mining op with little to no risk.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2009.08.26 19:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: destinationunreachable
wait, moment...
WHERE exactly is an Orca can-flipping ? System/Belt/Time please!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too!

Cleopatty
Posted - 2009.08.26 19:47:00 - [14]
 

can flippers aren't pirates since all pirates have to stay in low sec. due to sec. status. can flippers are just wanabe pirates that don't have the balls to goto low sec. and shoot anything they fell like shooting.

Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
Posted - 2009.08.26 21:43:00 - [15]
 

Can flippers aren't what they used to be. I had someone who kept grabbing one rookie ship full out of my can at a time and running back to the station to sell it, waiting out the agression timer, then coming back to do it again. I wish he had a bigger cargohold though, he was selling it all to me anyway so I had some free hauling.

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.27 00:14:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 27/08/2009 00:57:51


What in the wide world of eve are you trying to teach someone by stealing from them? The "teaching them something" is just an excuse for bad behavior.

When I was a kid, a guy punched my brother in the stomach which made him drop the knife he was carving with that consequently stabbed him in the foot... all to "teach him a lesson". The lesson he said he was teaching? It was, “don't aim your knife at people”; he had inadvertently pointed his knife at this guy who wasn't even near him. How stupid do you have to be to believe causing someone to be stabbed in the foot is the best way to teach knife safety?

As stupid as this guy was for his lame excuse of a lesson, people who steal to "make a point" are just a stupid and egocentric for thinking they are making any point other than, "don't trust me. I’m a thief and a really bad teacher".



Sulg
Pilots of Epic
Roughneck Regulators
Posted - 2009.08.27 02:16:00 - [17]
 

Okay, I know how to "properly" can flip. That's not what the topic was about though. If you missed that, just look at the last bit.

George Zeller
Posted - 2009.08.27 05:35:00 - [18]
 

I think that Sulg is hinting at this -

If the can flippers had wanted to steal your ore and/or shoot you, they would have done so, sooner or later, by one means or another.

Inasmuch they actually gave you your ore back, such was obviously not their intent.

Now, looking in my Big Book of Clues(TM), I'd say that what they were tryng to teach you was the following -

DON'T JETCAN MINE!

- by giving you a demo of what can happen they were trying to teach you (very gently, by EVE standards) that there are a lot of people out there that will happily steal your ore and kill you if you give them such an obvious opening.

Go find those can flippers and thank them - chances are they're fellow miners and decent guys.

GZ

KingTutTut
Posted - 2009.08.27 11:23:00 - [19]
 

As a newbie this has happened to me just recently. Does it teach me a lesson?? No. However, it does give the game an edge i have found enjoyable, who do you trust - probably no one fully. Humans are so unpredictable. I hope my further adventures into the game expand on this.

Asinar
Posted - 2009.08.27 11:40:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cory Sopapilla
Can flippers aren't what they used to be. I had someone who kept grabbing one rookie ship full out of my can at a time and running back to the station to sell it, waiting out the agression timer, then coming back to do it again. I wish he had a bigger cargohold though, he was selling it all to me anyway so I had some free hauling.



Aahhahaha, gave me a laugh, thanks =)

Mister Xerox
Posted - 2009.08.27 12:54:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Sulg
I mean, we're talking about a Myrmidon stealing from a Navitas and an Orca from a Retriever.


OMG I would love it if an orca wandered by to steal my ore... I'd chew him a new hole in short order. And if the pilot ejected to take out a battleboat (I've seen this done) I'd blow him up and *then* take the Orca (since I can't board it while he's got it targeted)... it would be just pure hilarity.

Wardo21
Posted - 2009.08.27 20:11:00 - [22]
 

What I want to know is why the orca pilot bothered to flip the can.

Taking everything into his own cargo hold and warping off would have sent the same message. No need whatsoever to flip the can in the first place.

shgjlsfg
Amarr
m3 Corp
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.28 06:11:00 - [23]
 

lol, i think i was the guy in the orca that jaked...... nice kernite btw

Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Quovis
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Drake Draconis
The point is not the ore... unless your that daft to leave large amounts of it around.

The point is to goad you into shooting them so they can blow you up.

1: Dont jet can unless your going to be quick about transporting it.
2: Ignore them and they only end up walking away with useless rock.


Hulk plus cargo expenders = Mammoth with strip miners. 4 cycles (5 if you're low skills) and you're full. Warp to base, deposit ore. Repeat as necessary to become known as the Chribba of Scordite (Sorry, Veldspar's taken)


Add Orca to that and you got yourself an effective Mining op with little to no risk.


So not true, recently I traveled to hi-sec (in a pod due to sec status) do do a hit on a Mackinaw gang with orca support.

Me and a buddy had a disco raven and geddon awaiting us in deadspace to jump to the waypoint from an anonymous client. Popped 5 Macks and 2 pods before concord and the faction police put us down. With insurance only cost us 10 mill per ship max lol.

Given the amount of Ice to mine I'm not certain Y they were targeted but the salvage was nice hehe. Gravy ontop of our fee lol. Moral of the story? Macro mining gets a contract on your head by honest miners, but you cluster enough or just have an orca and it far from saves you.

All told its est. 900 bill in equipment and easily another 100 mill plus from implants. I love my job

Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Quovis
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:29:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Drake Draconis
The point is not the ore... unless your that daft to leave large amounts of it around.

The point is to goad you into shooting them so they can blow you up.

1: Dont jet can unless your going to be quick about transporting it.
2: Ignore them and they only end up walking away with useless rock.


Hulk plus cargo expenders = Mammoth with strip miners. 4 cycles (5 if you're low skills) and you're full. Warp to base, deposit ore. Repeat as necessary to become known as the Chribba of Scordite (Sorry, Veldspar's taken)


Add Orca to that and you got yourself an effective Mining op with little to no risk.


So not true, recently I traveled to hi-sec (in a pod due to sec status) do do a hit on a Mackinaw gang with orca support.

Me and a buddy had a disco raven and geddon awaiting us in deadspace to jump to the waypoint from an anonymous client. Popped 5 Macks and 2 pods before concord and the faction police put us down. With insurance only cost us 10 mill per ship max lol.

Given the amount of Ice to mine I'm not certain Y they were targeted but the salvage was nice hehe. Gravy ontop of our fee lol. Moral of the story? Macro mining gets a contract on your head by honest miners, but you cluster enough or just have an orca and it far from saves you.

All told its est. 900 bill in equipment and easily another 100 mill plus from implants. I love my job

Somealt Ofmine
Posted - 2009.08.28 19:20:00 - [26]
 

1. Tell your buds to quit mining. They'll be sorry if they don't. They're blowing skill points training something that isn't any more profitable than mission running, and most mission running skills also work for PvP.

2. If they insist on mining, they need to get into a corp, and do it in a gang, or they need to either just take the hit and fly back to a station when their hold is full, or accept that they're going to be victimized regularly.

Jet canning is just putting a big "kick me" sign around your neck, unless you are trying to bait the flipper, which it doesn't sound like they are.



 

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