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NoNah
Posted - 2009.08.22 18:12:00 - [1]
 

Right now, noobcorps are sort of a sanctuary when it comes to wars. You can't wardec anyone in a noobcorp and if you are in a corp and want to void their decleration, drop out to an npc corp and you're done. You can however enter FW from the newbie corp and end up in that special FW-corp yourself, however - why?

Making all members of NPC-corps into FW would mean the sanctuary is gone, if someone wants to get you, they can get you. You can still hide in large alliances or in that factions highsec if you wish, but you're still part of the war. You can't have massive macromining fleets all in NPC corps as they will sooner or later die to what most likely will be a cooperation between factions at war.

It will strengthen the idea of seperate factions, it will encourage players to find new playerbased corps and it will put a strain on newbie alts who want to stay anonymous, and most importantly it will remove the idea that NPC-corps is a sanctuary.

gfldex
Posted - 2009.08.22 18:18:00 - [2]
 

If you enlisted hiding in high sec doenst work.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.08.22 18:21:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: gfldex
If you enlisted hiding in high sec doenst work.


Which is the point exactly. NPC corps shouldn't be a sanctuary. They're already member of respective factions, why not put them into the FW right away? And even so, you're pretty darn safe in your friendly factions space.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.08.22 18:40:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 22/08/2009 18:55:36
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: gfldex
If you enlisted hiding in high sec doenst work.


Which is the point exactly. NPC corps shouldn't be a sanctuary. They're already member of respective factions, why not put them into the FW right away? And even so, you're pretty darn safe in your friendly factions space.


Why shouldn't they be sanctuaries? I'm sure many would like to remove them, but that isn't a really convincing reason to actually do it. It also stands to reason, that the initial corp people start out in is more protected then the alternatives. You are and should be relatively safe to learn and decide what you want to do in the game. Forcing people out for some arbitrary reason seems silly to me. If you want to encourage people to leave normal NPC corps for FW corps, introduce a small tax(5-10%) to normal NPC corps, that doesn't exist in FW corps.

Reasons not to put players straight to FW would be the sandbox nature of EVE. People should be free to decide what they want to do. We are also pod pilots not some standard peons, so our ties to our native factions is only as strong as we choose it to be.

EDIT: Have you actually been in a noob corp chat lately? I'm not sure if FW chat is that bad, but I'm sure they don't want a thousand people in their corp chat, that don't have any intention to take part in FW and spam noob questions all day long. Seems like it would be better for all conserned, if the solution to the "NPC corp problem" would be something else.

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2009.08.22 18:46:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: NoNah
They're already member of respective factions,
No they aren't. Fresh characters have no faction alignment, nor should they be driven to think in such paths.

This is EVE.

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2009.08.22 18:56:00 - [6]
 

That would be rather awesome. But pretty hard on the new players who would be wartargets from day 1. Many people would use that to grief them to no end. If it only applied to npc corps that are not starter corps this wouldn't be such a major problem though i guess...

Realistically though: not gonna happen.

Frobos
Weird Cat Research
Zombie Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.22 19:34:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Frobos on 22/08/2009 19:34:52
it is an interesting concept OP brings forth. but if everyone is at war with someone then won't that limit where in hisec you can fly without being KOS? if anything, this may actually reduce some traffic in jita, until everyone joins caldari corps, but not sure what it would do to the things like the market in general.


edit: clarification :P

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:05:00 - [8]
 

So basicly you want to have all the rookie systems filled with FW players hunting for easy kills?

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:36:00 - [9]
 

It's great that people want to use militias to gank the hell out of new players for their own various reasons, but it's not going to happen. When it comes to bad ideas for removing NPC corp protections, making the starter corps be part of the militias is pretty awful.Confused

NoNah
Posted - 2009.08.22 21:01:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: NoNah on 22/08/2009 21:08:50
Edited by: NoNah on 22/08/2009 21:05:09
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: NoNah
They're already member of respective factions,
No they aren't. Fresh characters have no faction alignment, nor should they be driven to think in such paths.

This is EVE.


Actually, yeah, they are. Go look at any one noobcorp and see what they belong to.

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 22/08/2009 18:55:36
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: gfldex
If you enlisted hiding in high sec doenst work.


Which is the point exactly. NPC corps shouldn't be a sanctuary. They're already member of respective factions, why not put them into the FW right away? And even so, you're pretty darn safe in your friendly factions space.


Why shouldn't they be sanctuaries?
...
People should be free to decide what they want to do. We are also pod pilots not some standard peons, so our ties to our native factions is only as strong as we choose it to be.

EDIT: Have you actually been in a noob corp chat lately? I'm not sure if FW chat is that bad, but I'm sure they don't want a thousand people in their corp chat, that don't have any intention to take part in FW and spam noob questions all day long. Seems like it would be better for all conserned, if the solution to the "NPC corp problem" would be something else.


The idea of an empire war decleration somewhat is removed once the members drop to NPC corps. The problems here isn't as much the noobcorps as the npccorps were corporate dropouts end up. As in, not as much FNA but Scope.

Whatever way you turn it, you belong to something, you're by no means forced to stay in the npc-corp, you can create a new one of your own, join whatever corp you want or... well do just about whatever you want. The only thing removed is the safe haven of an NPC corp. The FW corps wouldn't really suffer from it, as corp chat would remain corpchat. Yes, they'd get access to militia chat aswell, but I'd have to consider that a minor issue.

Originally by: Furb Killer
So basicly you want to have all the rookie systems filled with FW players hunting for easy kills?


This depends I guess, unless I'm mistaken there are already griefing rules forbidding players to grief excessivley in starter systems and after that was added they even moved parts of the tutorial to non-accessible sites.

And honestly, for FW-pilots to hang around in a 1.0 system with constant fw-npcs spawning to gank ibises all day... I just don't see that happening.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.08.22 21:43:00 - [11]
 

At least tell us how some person in an NPC corp wasted you.

People don't decide to make threads like this for no reason.

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2009.08.22 21:46:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Omara Otawan on 22/08/2009 21:46:40
Originally by: NoNah

NPC corps shouldn't be a sanctuary.


Imo they should, thats their whole purpose.

If anything there needs to be a possibility to have concord sanctioned killing of single players regardless of corp (at a very hefty price ofc, say 500mill/week), but NPC corps in itself need to be untouched.

Nabubrela
Posted - 2009.08.22 21:51:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
At least tell us how some person in an NPC corp wasted you.

People don't decide to make threads like this for no reason.


He was most likely ninja-salvaging and got outplayed and owned by a carebear so he is nerdraging like a noob now.

Sir Muffoon
Debitum Naturae
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:01:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Nabubrela


.. ninja-salvaging ... owned .. carebear .. nerdraging .. noob


I'm sensing much bitterness in you.

Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:05:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: gfldex
If you enlisted hiding in high sec doenst work.


Which is the point exactly. NPC corps shouldn't be a sanctuary. They're already member of respective factions, why not put them into the FW right away? And even so, you're pretty darn safe in your friendly factions space.

My NPC corp is The Scope. We run a TV network.

The reason the're not in FW is the corps don't do 'war'-like stuff.

Belten
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:32:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ukucia
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: gfldex
If you enlisted hiding in high sec doenst work.


Which is the point exactly. NPC corps shouldn't be a sanctuary. They're already member of respective factions, why not put them into the FW right away? And even so, you're pretty darn safe in your friendly factions space.

My NPC corp is The Scope. We run a TV network.

The reason the're not in FW is the corps don't do 'war'-like stuff.



Laughing

Nabubrela
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:39:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sir Muffoon
Originally by: Nabubrela


.. ninja-salvaging ... owned .. carebear .. nerdraging .. noob


I'm sensing much bitterness in you.


I`m sensing the OP posting with many alts in this thread.
Want a duel maybe hot shot?

Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:53:00 - [18]
 

Look what Corp I'm in, does this look like the war type of corp? No, we're improving Eve, for science!

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:00:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Nabubrela
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
At least tell us how some person in an NPC corp wasted you.

People don't decide to make threads like this for no reason.


He was most likely ninja-salvaging and got outplayed and owned by a carebear so he is nerdraging like a noob now.


HAHAHAHAHA amen!

Unforsaken
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:13:00 - [20]
 

Enough terrible things happen to new players every day, why add more? Their ore gets stolen, they get can-baited, their missions get raided.... the list goes on. While there have been some improvements, Eve is still full of pitfalls for inexperienced players. Needless to say, our little sandbox is full of dangers not found in other MMO's.... dangers you aren't aware of until it's too late for the most part. Fly around where newer players congregate for a night. Most of their night is spent wondering "What on earth should I do?" while they try to conquer the learning cliff. Sure, let's add random attacks to that list of problems.

Throwing someone into the arena of PvP would only add to the problems they're already facing. Most people can't even fit ships, don't understand things such as transversal velocity, and simply aren't experienced or learned enough to even offer competition. And this sounds like fun? Come on. ugh



NoNah
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:32:00 - [21]
 

Actually, no, I barely play these days, and most of the alliance I'm in is inactive, as it should be. The discussion came as a spinoff effect from talks in the help channel. And yes, half the posters in this thread are my alts, you might think you have lives of your own, but really you're clearly my alts.

Once again, this is not really about new players, but older players finding comfort in the safety of NPC-corps. The effects striking new characters is just a lucky bieffect. Now as been pointed out, this will never happen or even anything similar for several reasons, but it's nice to see the amount of characters already - in lack of better words - exploiting the current state. I would personally probably do the same and it's THE way to handle unwanted wars right now.

Junko Togawa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.23 13:26:00 - [22]
 

Posting in another moar easy targets whine thread.

Srsly. Lern2wardec nubbinz. ugh

Gandanga
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.08.23 13:47:00 - [23]
 

can the OP show us, on this dolly , where the NPC corp pilot touched him ?

Dr Deadbolt
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.23 14:20:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Right now, noobcorps are sort of a sanctuary when it comes to wars. You can't wardec anyone in a noobcorp and if you are in a corp and want to void their decleration, drop out to an npc corp and you're done. You can however enter FW from the newbie corp and end up in that special FW-corp yourself, however - why?


just think , one day you might be able to leave an NPC corp and directly enter that special player corp!!!

oh wait........

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.23 15:07:00 - [25]
 

Ah....its refreshing to come back after years of not playing Eve to see people asking for the same dumb things.

"I am neither skilled enough in PvP nor intelligent enough to identify decent targets. CCP, please make easier targets available to me; my ineptitude prevents me from being able to grief anyone."

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.08.23 15:14:00 - [26]
 

Crai more OP.


Year after year we always have loosers whining about how they cant grief noobs.

Kezzle
Posted - 2009.08.23 18:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Making all members of NPC-corps into FW would mean the sanctuary is gone, if someone wants to get you, they can get you. You can still hide in large alliances or in that factions highsec if you wish, but you're still part of the war. You can't have massive macromining fleets all in NPC corps as they will sooner or later die to what most likely will be a cooperation between factions at war.

It will strengthen the idea of seperate factions, it will encourage players to find new playerbased corps and it will put a strain on newbie alts who want to stay anonymous, and most importantly it will remove the idea that NPC-corps is a sanctuary.


It will also mean that newbs can't do the Epic Arc. Which was designed for Newbs. Yay.

It'll mean that newbs will be fodder in LoSec even more so than they already are. Way to make the game even more uninviting to new players.

**** idea. Badly thought out. As well as being in the wrong forum.


 

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