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Delenne Sheridan
Posted - 2009.08.21 12:56:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
I think that after exposing veteran cheating methods in the past, we have less nagative replies here.


At the very least they should have a companion skill to Learning. Call it "University".

I mean, Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory as a companion skill. Analytical Mind has Logic as a companion skill.

Learning should have its own companion skill.

Amarrian ArchAngel
Posted - 2009.08.21 14:03:00 - [32]
 

Can't you see how unfair this would make the game? geez ugh

Why the hell should a person that has disposable income be able to train alot faster alot of people like myself, who have RL commitments, families to support etc, who find it a struggle to just play this game?

Lets keep this game even for all, not just the rich kids...

AA

Kempeth
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.21 14:28:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
What I like in ppl is their ability to reverse each idea to the state it is becoming so horrible.
I am not talking about super-mega gm plexes or 500% bonus ones.

I am talking just about 100% bonus. It is not much, I assure U. 2 years in 1 is not much. ( it isn't 5 years in 1 lol). It is just a 2* bonus, nothing more, nothing less.

Also veterans had a chance of unfair training before for their alts using offline out of service training, which we had here.
At the end of GTC's they started to learn long-range skills (like carriers to 5 or dreads to 5) and continued to learn them even when payed time in EVE is over. They used such technique for every long skill that they have
What efforts are the veterans talking about, when they actually cheated that way?? All new players are in different positions now, don't U think?

I don't know about you but +100% increase is pretty significant in my universe. I mean I'd be ecstatic if my employer considered a 100% salary increase insignificant...

Also what you are saying means that just because the skill training was flawed before they fixed it we should make it even worse now?

That kind of item shop thinking belongs to the ubiquitous korean mmos, not EVE!

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.21 14:29:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Delenne Sheridan
Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
I think that after exposing veteran cheating methods in the past, we have less nagative replies here.


At the very least they should have a companion skill to Learning. Call it "University".

I mean, Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory as a companion skill. Analytical Mind has Logic as a companion skill.

Learning should have its own companion skill.


Can you give one plausible reason why any of the ideas in this thread, even this one mentioned, should be instated other than it would make the game faster or you don't like that you can later than someone else? What other possible reason do you, or the OP, have for implementing this that would convince CCP this is a good idea for all?

Delenne Sheridan
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:03:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Metalcali
Originally by: Delenne Sheridan
Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
I think that after exposing veteran cheating methods in the past, we have less nagative replies here.


At the very least they should have a companion skill to Learning. Call it "University".

I mean, Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory as a companion skill. Analytical Mind has Logic as a companion skill.

Learning should have its own companion skill.


Can you give one plausible reason why any of the ideas in this thread, even this one mentioned, should be instated other than it would make the game faster or you don't like that you can later than someone else? What other possible reason do you, or the OP, have for implementing this that would convince CCP this is a good idea for all?


I gave one plausible reason. Every other learning skill has a companion skill to it, except "Learning" itself. Therefore, to balance it out, "Learning" should have its own companion skill.

BTW, as to the rest of the ideas, real life is not fair, some people are smarter than others, some people learn faster than others, and some people are richer than others. The "plausible reason" for the op's suggestion is to mirror real life in this way. Ya'll say eve is not fair, that real life isnt fair...Ok, so be it, then let it not be fair. Those that can, should be able to do the op's suggestion. those that cant will just be SOL like in real life....

You keep claiming its like real life, dont you want it to really be like real life, or do you just want to be a hypocrite on the matter?

xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:13:00 - [36]
 

You do realise if this were ever implimented vets like myself would max out our sp in no time at all. Theres 10 years worth of skills in eve if you constantly train. If this were added you can be sure i would have all skills to level 5 in approx 2.5 years. Assuming ofc my billions of isk and rl cash held out... So this all things need to be equal argument your spewing really has many flaws. You are only looking at the view point of "omg i need more sp to compete with those gods".

Let me let you in on a little secret Dr. Caymus has FAR more sp than i ( i have 73mil he has 132mil sp ) yet i could absolutly slaughter him in a 1v1 fight because im specialized in combat he is not.

What you are proposing is to widen the gap. My attributes are all in the mid 20's and with a remap to opimize my training and +5 implants and a 100% boost to training well lets just say all your idea does is widen the gap.

This is quite possibly one of the worst idea's i've heard simply based off of your arguments. None of which is a valid point.

Long story short, its not all about the sp its wbout your skills as a player and your ability to work in a cohesive unit. Sure you can solo play but don't expect to win anything except losses. If your getting pwned in belts or lowsec take friends with you who are combat pilots. A good corp is one that is not over specialized in one area. You need to have multiple pilots capable of multiple thigns. I'm combat centric and spec'd in 2 races with the ability to use a 3rd yet im also capable of mining when the need arrises. You should consider something similar if your really having issues.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:16:00 - [37]
 

In gameplay, market, new features put into the game, eve is not fair, for training, it's not fair in the sense you start playing later than a vet, you missed out on what they have gained, too bad for you. Because you missed out you want to have a chance to catch up and surpass, like how it was mentioned that older players had the chance to train skills while not paying for a sub, you missed it but claim it is only right you have your symmetrical chance. The thing is, you give vets who have money the chance to increase their training time as well, you are still out of luck as they will most likely have max learning skills and remapped to optimize their learning. Adding 100% increase, along with a new skill to mirror learning which is still unnecessary, they would continually make distance. Try being patient and enjoying the game, along with stating why CCP should add this aside from you two being too impatient to play this game Wink

Besides, both of us are proving we are stubborn and won't give into the other sides argument, but this is proving to be quite entertaining Razz

Delenne Sheridan
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:19:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Metalcali
In gameplay, market, new features put into the game, eve is not fair, for training, it's not fair in the sense you start playing later than a vet, you missed out on what they have gained, too bad for you. Because you missed out you want to have a chance to catch up and surpass, like how it was mentioned that older players had the chance to train skills while not paying for a sub, you missed it but claim it is only right you have your symmetrical chance. The thing is, you give vets who have money the chance to increase their training time as well, you are still out of luck as they will most likely have max learning skills and remapped to optimize their learning. Adding 100% increase, along with a new skill to mirror learning which is still unnecessary, they would continually make distance. Try being patient and enjoying the game, along with stating why CCP should add this aside from you two being too impatient to play this game Wink

Besides, both of us are proving we are stubborn and won't give into the other sides argument, but this is proving to be quite entertaining Razz


IOW, you have yours, and the rest of us should be happy you let us even play your game....

Rigghhhtt.....

Malcolm R3ynold5
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:22:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Delenne Sheridan
I gave one plausible reason. Every other learning skill has a companion skill to it, except "Learning" itself. Therefore, to balance it out, "Learning" should have its own companion skill.

BTW, as to the rest of the ideas, real life is not fair, some people are smarter than others, some people learn faster than others, and some people are richer than others. The "plausible reason" for the op's suggestion is to mirror real life in this way. Ya'll say eve is not fair, that real life isnt fair...Ok, so be it, then let it not be fair. Those that can, should be able to do the op's suggestion. those that cant will just be SOL like in real life....

You keep claiming its like real life, dont you want it to really be like real life, or do you just want to be a hypocrite on the matter?


Learning doesnt have a companion skill as it effects all of the attributes. But i don't think anybody would have a problem with something like a rank 4/5 'Advanced Learning' skill.

As for your other comments, being rich doesnt make you branier or learn quicker though does it? Yes, you can pay your way into the best school/college in the country, but if your stupid, no amount of cash is going to make you intelligent!

If you have plenty of money, buy a load of GTC's, sell them ingame for isk and buy bigger, faster more expensive ships and go an get yourself killed (Same as the rich kids do with fast cars in 'real life').

Mal

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:25:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Metalcali on 21/08/2009 15:25:31
Originally by: Delenne Sheridan
Originally by: Metalcali
In gameplay, market, new features put into the game, eve is not fair, for training, it's not fair in the sense you start playing later than a vet, you missed out on what they have gained, too bad for you. Because you missed out you want to have a chance to catch up and surpass, like how it was mentioned that older players had the chance to train skills while not paying for a sub, you missed it but claim it is only right you have your symmetrical chance. The thing is, you give vets who have money the chance to increase their training time as well, you are still out of luck as they will most likely have max learning skills and remapped to optimize their learning. Adding 100% increase, along with a new skill to mirror learning which is still unnecessary, they would continually make distance. Try being patient and enjoying the game, along with stating why CCP should add this aside from you two being too impatient to play this game Wink

Besides, both of us are proving we are stubborn and won't give into the other sides argument, but this is proving to be quite entertaining Razz



IOW, you have yours, and the rest of us should be happy you let us even play your game....

Rigghhhtt.....


Yeah, my char with less than 11mil sp, my main, is better than others, possibly you Rolling Eyes , whatever you say. I just know a stupid idea that you can't truly defend or give a viable reason to enact when it pops up Smile

EDIT: i fail at quoting

XXXAKTIVE
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:26:00 - [41]
 

I will tell U the other reason why the game will be more fun with this sort of item.

1. There will be much more action in 0.0
Why? There are lots of alliances of players in Empire, that want to go to 0.0 and live there in their own systems. What they have is a lack of SP to pilot dreads more effectively. Of course, U dont want competition in 0.0

2. None of the veterans convinced in usin bug training methods in the past (I assure everyone did). So why not give a chance to noobs to at least a slight chance to learn faster.

3. There are lots of players in EVE, who are trying to compensate here the lack of power in a real world. Yeah, all they do is complaing a lot. I actually expected that

4. I am not speaking about large sum for such PLEX. 15$ will be more than enough and will be not of a much burden to people wallet. If 15$ is much for U it means either U are an isk mission farmer (who buy GTCs for isk), or have so much alts in a game (as many rm traders do) So U all complain, then yes it means I am right

Amarrian ArchAngel
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:37:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
I will tell U the other reason why the game will be more fun with this sort of item.

1. There will be much more action in 0.0
Why? There are lots of alliances of players in Empire, that want to go to 0.0 and live there in their own systems. What they have is a lack of SP to pilot dreads more effectively. Of course, U dont want competition in 0.0

2. None of the veterans convinced in usin bug training methods in the past (I assure everyone did). So why not give a chance to noobs to at least a slight chance to learn faster.

3. There are lots of players in EVE, who are trying to compensate here the lack of power in a real world. Yeah, all they do is complaing a lot. I actually expected that

4. I am not speaking about large sum for such PLEX. 15$ will be more than enough and will be not of a much burden to people wallet. If 15$ is much for U it means either U are an isk mission farmer (who buy GTCs for isk), or have so much alts in a game (as many rm traders do) So U all complain, then yes it means I am right


New players already get a boost over the older players. Can't remember the exact figure, but you used to start with something like 50,000 SP's. Now its what, close to a 1mil, plus you get a 100% boost for however long Confused

The main problem with your idea, is that it's not going to benifit newer players, which is where you are basing half your argument.

1. I'm not in a 0.0 alliance, so the argument i don't wont competition in 0.0 doesnt apply.

2. What?...lol (Btw, your idea will also let vet's increase thier skill training by 100% - idiot!)

3. Your obviously trying to make up for something you are lacking by buying yourway into a game you obviously cant compete in.

4. $15 may not be much for you, but it will be for some people.

AA

Count Helmchen
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:40:00 - [43]
 

no thx, stupid idea from a possible plex trader / scammer / manipulater only forcing the people to buy more plex'es b/c they are currently on high stock and they cannot earn enough money to RMT it ...

forget it!

XXXAKTIVE
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:40:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: XXXAKTIVE on 21/08/2009 15:44:15
Originally by: Amarrian ArchAngel
Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
I will tell U the other reason why the game will be more fun with this sort of item.

1. There will be much more action in 0.0
Why? There are lots of alliances of players in Empire, that want to go to 0.0 and live there in their own systems. What they have is a lack of SP to pilot dreads more effectively. Of course, U dont want competition in 0.0

2. None of the veterans convinced in usin bug training methods in the past (I assure everyone did). So why not give a chance to noobs to at least a slight chance to learn faster.

3. There are lots of players in EVE, who are trying to compensate here the lack of power in a real world. Yeah, all they do is complaing a lot. I actually expected that

4. I am not speaking about large sum for such PLEX. 15$ will be more than enough and will be not of a much burden to people wallet. If 15$ is much for U it means either U are an isk mission farmer (who buy GTCs for isk), or have so much alts in a game (as many rm traders do) So U all complain, then yes it means I am right


New players already get a boost over the older players. Can't remember the exact figure, but you used to start with something like 50,000 SP's. Now its what, close to a 1mil, plus you get a 100% boost for however long Confused

The main problem with your idea, is that it's not going to benifit newer players, which is where you are basing half your argument.

1. I'm not in a 0.0 alliance, so the argument i don't wont competition in 0.0 doesnt apply.

2. What?...lol (Btw, your idea will also let vet's increase thier skill training by 100% - idiot!)

3. Your obviously trying to make up for something you are lacking by buying yourway into a game you obviously cant compete in.

4. $15 may not be much for you, but it will be for some people.

AA




LOL they cant increase a dread skill higher than 5))) rofl
I mean the new players will learn combat skills faster to 5

Most of the people in 0.0 and in a lowsec are living for real money in EVE, selling GTCs for isk, so they dont have time for mission running and hunting. They have KTC all the time. U actually sound like a true carebear, sorry

if 15$ is much for u, then ask yourself maybe to start finally working?

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:40:00 - [45]
 

No.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:40:00 - [46]
 

They start around 80k sp now and get 100% training bonus till 1.6mill sp.

XXXAKTIVE
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:45:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Metalcali
They start around 80k sp now and get 100% training bonus till 1.6mill sp.


What is 1.6 mln SP?? It is just some learning skills, not even 5/4

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:59:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
Originally by: Metalcali
They start around 80k sp now and get 100% training bonus till 1.6mill sp.


What is 1.6 mln SP?? It is just some learning skills, not even 5/4


As soon as you reach 1.6 million skillpoints, you lose the 100% training bonus. That would be 1x skills all trained to level 5 in the learning skills bracket right around when you reach that 1.6 mark.

Belrend Coregaul
Posted - 2009.08.21 16:16:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Belrend Coregaul on 21/08/2009 16:19:26
1.6mil isn't 1.6mil.

It's still only 50k, if that. The only way to be viable in EVE is to train your learning skills during the 100% bonus period. At the end, you have nothing. So you have no combat skills(which instead of 5days for gunnery5, it's now 10 days)... So the newbs are hurting, people are letting the hurt, and any attempts to help newbies get a leap into the game is shot down.

I'm not supporting this idea for the sole reason that veterans would gain it as well. I'd rather just see EVE do something more for low SP pilots to get on the making isk/t2 bar within the first 2-3months. Not HAC bar, but along the lines of being specalized in a good field so they can make their isk. Veterans rule the markets, it's not debatable. LowSP pilots are told the same thing, constantly. Go be bored and shoot rocks or go grind iskies in lvl 4's.

EDIT: Which they never make enough iskies cause they require months of training to get anything profitable. "Battleships" comment is viable to an extent. They still lose these that they can't afford because their skills are up to date to fly them in a decent fit. 8/10 fits on Battleclinic that veterans refer lowSP pilots to has t2 builds and if dropped to the t1 fittings with their skills, isn't capstable, isn't enough on resists, isn't enough on damage, and so forth. It's not a matter of flying a ship. It's a matter of flying it effectively.

The vets can fly their ships effectively with t2's and now tons of t3's being flown around highsec and lowsec. Please, if you can prove me wrong, do so.

XXXAKTIVE
Posted - 2009.08.21 16:54:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: XXXAKTIVE on 21/08/2009 16:56:28
Originally by: Belrend Coregaul
Edited by: Belrend Coregaul on 21/08/2009 16:19:26
1.6mil isn't 1.6mil.

It's still only 50k, if that. The only way to be viable in EVE is to train your learning skills during the 100% bonus period. At the end, you have nothing. So you have no combat skills(which instead of 5days for gunnery5, it's now 10 days)... So the newbs are hurting, people are letting the hurt, and any attempts to help newbies get a leap into the game is shot down.

I'm not supporting this idea for the sole reason that veterans would gain it as well. I'd rather just see EVE do something more for low SP pilots to get on the making isk/t2 bar within the first 2-3months. Not HAC bar, but along the lines of being specalized in a good field so they can make their isk. Veterans rule the markets, it's not debatable. LowSP pilots are told the same thing, constantly. Go be bored and shoot rocks or go grind iskies in lvl 4's.

EDIT: Which they never make enough iskies cause they require months of training to get anything profitable. "Battleships" comment is viable to an extent. They still lose these that they can't afford because their skills are up to date to fly them in a decent fit. 8/10 fits on Battleclinic that veterans refer lowSP pilots to has t2 builds and if dropped to the t1 fittings with their skills, isn't capstable, isn't enough on resists, isn't enough on damage, and so forth. It's not a matter of flying a ship. It's a matter of flying it effectively.

The vets can fly their ships effectively with t2's and now tons of t3's being flown around highsec and lowsec. Please, if you can prove me wrong, do so.


U just answered the question why I started this thread. Yes, I have 2 pilots highly specialized and wanted to start the third one. I entered the game with 0 skills with absolutely useless char, all he did was stupidly making noob tutorial missions and was sitting at station learning skills. The trial was over, I looked at it, then in evemon and said.... Damn, I will not waste my time on it. I had only learning skills by the end of trial (I had imps +3 from start)

I get U, mate

The syste was much better when U had a specialization from start and could in several hours go and kick some ass on a destroyer or ebven a cruser (special forces)

Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.08.21 17:21:00 - [51]
 

Sure. Shorten the gaming/learning/achieving experience and lose even more short attention span players even earlier.
As a bonus lose a lot of older players, too, since they feel cheated or just can't stand the watering down.

I'd say do it so! If you're a stupid dev, that is.

Bad game-design decisions will bite you in the rear, one way or another. And this would be one.

XXXAKTIVE
Posted - 2009.08.21 17:51:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Sure. Shorten the gaming/learning/achieving experience and lose even more short attention span players even earlier.
As a bonus lose a lot of older players, too, since they feel cheated or just can't stand the watering down.

I'd say do it so! If you're a stupid dev, that is.

Bad game-design decisions will bite you in the rear, one way or another. And this would be one.


I doubt any 1 will leave

Delenne Sheridan
Posted - 2009.08.21 19:51:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Sure. Shorten the gaming/learning/achieving experience and lose even more short attention span players even earlier.
As a bonus lose a lot of older players, too, since they feel cheated or just can't stand the watering down.

I'd say do it so! If you're a stupid dev, that is.

Bad game-design decisions will bite you in the rear, one way or another. And this would be one.


And you have how many skill points?

Mike C
Caldari
MicroFunks
Posted - 2009.08.21 19:56:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Mike C on 21/08/2009 20:02:22
No, simply NO. Training for **** is already too quick (Adv learning skills needing 4 instead of 5, etc). You can be an effective BS pilot in less then a month, and be able to solo L4s in less then 2 weeks. If you support this, you need to go die now.

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Edited by: Mike C on 21/08/2009 19:59:29
EDIT 1/1:
Yes, I am a player with 2 accounts, one days away from effectively titan-capable. New players are not supposed to be able to catch up to vets, that's how it is. If you REALLY want to surpass people, train all learning and adv learning skills to 5, as well as +5 implants. You will have 3 more points in each attribute then most people have.

OrcephDrake
Posted - 2009.08.21 21:45:00 - [55]
 

Heck no! However has the most money gets to train faster? The hole idea of the 100% faster training was because they wanted to "push" the player decisions away from when they first make the character and put it into the actually first few days of gaming. In then end increasing the skill trianing time is a touchy subject that i wish there was a way to do but for the most part its a big NO.

BAD IDEA!

ZehNarume
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2009.08.22 00:01:00 - [56]
 

Ok. here is my 2 cents on this matter.
To the person saying its no different from going to college. you pay for college to get extra learning. NOT learn faster. this idea is basically saying you go to a 4 year college to get a 4 year degree. and try to pay extra to get it in 2. this is NOT a valid comparison that you are trying to achieve by arguing it relentlessly.
2nd. to the comment of relating the OLD method where "ghost" training occurred. there's a REASON why CCP got rid of this. because it promoted an unfair advantage since players NOT paying for the game cud train. your idea that this plex doubles you're skill time is the EXACT same thing as the ghost training method, just on the other end of the scale. in that you get bonus sp while paying. instead of bonus sp while not paying.
There are things in the game that already increase sp gain, called IMPLANTS, and LEARNING SKILLS. attribute boosters increase your time. as does the learning skill in general. just take the 2 weeks start to get there up and your good. your idea is trying to more then double this feature, but can only be used by those with massive amounts of spare isk. or irl currency, whatever that may be, and with my reason as stated above, is a HUGE disadvantage to the REGULAR eve players.
as a settlement idea, MAYBE, at the most, extend the ALREADY IN PLACE BONUS TRAINING TIME FOR NEW PLAYERS. a month or so.
now as I've already seen in some of the posts, you guys seem to be the types of players that believe they can buy themselves the best things possible and become "uber", as its called in other mmo's that promote items that you can only buy with money, without putting ANY actual time in learning and training to be better the NORMAL way. this is the way eve works, its designed to MAKE you train, and learn how to play, not just front up some money to boost everything so you can be lazy. and to your 2 year in 1 statement, where will that end? 6 years in 3? surpass players who play the normal way in an instant? and what then? say its still too slow and try for more bonus time? get titan in 3 months time? get real, get over it, and TRAIN NORMALLY.
as to the other guy who has issues with being a miner. there's many solutions to avoid the wardec. get away from the griefers, leave the corp and find a new one, don't join a PURE industry corp so u can USE protection, or just go to 0.0 and use an alliance with intel to avoid getting caught. there's many solutions to your issue.

Lucas Avidius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.22 01:43:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: XXXAKTIVE
It would be nice if CCP creates a specific item 30 day LEARNING BONUS PLEX, that will give a 100% bonus to learning during 30 day time.

This kind of item could be purchased on a site for real money and also sold to players on the market for isk.

I think that this item will be in a high demand within the players, and also it will increase CCP profits at the same time make lot of people happy, especially ones who joined the game not so long ago.

I know, that veterans will be unpleased if the item like that appears (they enjoy to be Gods with their enormous ammounts of SP), but at the same time less people will leave EVE after a trial period, so we will have a constant growth of new players that will stay.

U need 2 years to learn skills to use battleship nicely in PVP. Lot of people get bored before that time (I have lot of examples).


As for me, I would be likely to buy such items myself for my main and alts.


NO.

Quit asking.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.08.22 02:17:00 - [58]
 

Question, if a CCP rep. were to come in this thread and flat out say no, reason why or not, would you still be pushing this failed idea because you can't be a bit patient with this game?

Markus Reese
Caldari
New Eden Weekly Sentinel
Posted - 2009.08.22 03:10:00 - [59]
 

I would like to point out that newer players can catch up to more experienced ones in a way. remember, those l5s are exponentially higher than the l4 rank equal. A person can train to 3s and 4s pretty quickly and get close to, or beat many older players in a fight. It was proven even in the alliance tourney a while back too. accelerated sp only means that you would, as stated train quicker, and in the long term, is a bad idea as you would quickly run out of things you want to train.

Belrend Coregaul
Posted - 2009.08.22 09:46:00 - [60]
 

The point is not to achieve some self-gratification for the veterans. You want to be a titan-pilot, then you go ahead and go fly the most annoying ship ever created. The newbies won't get near that stage for atleast a year, regardless.

You start out sitting in a station training learning skills for the entire 100% bonus time. Because if you don't, and instead train other skills to go out and do level 3's during your newb bonus period, then you will fail in the long run for not having those learning skills.

So everyone arguing "No" is effectively saying "Let newbies sit in a station the first month" which only serves in lowering your "Killmails"(LOL what? Stupid crap. Serves no purpose) because those "ADHD" people are more then willing to blow things up, but they won't waste their time with a game which doesn't allow them true progression without being forced into a disadvantage. I buy a game, I expect to enjoy it right out the box. Not pay an extra fee and do nothing for a full month except station-camp or go mine with my little bitty mining lvl 2.

I don't see any reasons to the arguments against a boost for newbies or removal of learning skills. The original idea is, of course, ridiculous. Considering I wouldn't want to have my 5 years of EVE training useless because someone has more money then I do. Though to have newbies being forced into a tiny corner BY those same veterans is nothing but ePeen cries of wanting to stay above everyone else.

Sure, a new player could be in a raven within a month or so. But will they be effective? Will they be able to have their other skills up to match such as t2 weapons and lvl 4 hull upgrades if all their time went into cruiser4/frigate4/BS4? Not quite. They are at a disadvantage in the end because they did not spend the time to train all those learning skills to 4/4.

Why is it everywhere an idea comes up to assist new players, it is immediatly shot down and thrown to the curve by ignorant or otherwise uninformative p-ricks? EVE has one of the worst communities. It's like your years of staring at your pretty shiny titan or dreadnaught and fearing some alliance member is going to turn on you have placed you into a paranoid state of mind about anything new and intuitive for newbies coming in.

Are you scared some 3month player corp is going to take a chunk of your "Sov"? Really, take your head out of the game and look at it from a newbie perspective. Cancel your 50 PLEX-payed accounts and start a brand new one, from square one, and spend 3 months on it with NO help from your mains and their "big pool o cash". You will see why these posts keep coming up.


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