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Kata Dakini
Amarr
Flatiron Academy
Posted - 2009.08.17 22:02:00 - [1]
 

I am in the middle of my second block of classes at UPX, and am beginning to question my choice of online school.

I just received my grade back on a small assignment which was due last Friday, and am honestly quite furious about the score, 15/30 (entire class is 1000 points). First off, I received 0/5 points for "save file as a jpg image". I subsequently uploaded the file here to make sure it is okay. The instructor told me, "Unfortunately I am unable to open the file as you were to save it as a jpg file".

WHAT AM I MISSING????

Also, in the assignment description in the syllabus, as well as the grading rubric, there is NO mention of "inserting the jpg into a Word document". I was deducted 5 points for not including the jpg inside a Word .doc. Am I supposed to read minds?

From my limited experience (four instructors), I have to say that the quality of teachers at UPX is quite poor. They have added no benefits to the classes that couldn't have come from the course materials themselves. The feedback I get is useless and not specific at all. I am quite frustrated and am now thinking hard about switching to a different school.


Mythos Jones
Hostile.
Posted - 2009.08.17 22:04:00 - [2]
 

You took a class in saving .jpgs and failed, lul.

Kata Dakini
Amarr
Flatiron Academy
Posted - 2009.08.17 22:07:00 - [3]
 

It's a technical communications class... and yeah, it's rather trivial. The assignment was actually to create a Visio diagram. I asked, "can I use other software than Visio?" The response was a very loud NO!

And what the??? Why am I being grading on creating a Visio diagram by saving it as a jpg and putting it in a Word .doc??? WTF is that all about?

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.08.17 22:43:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mythos Jones
You took a class in saving .jpgs and failed, lul.



HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


Everyone point and laugh.

Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.08.17 22:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Bestofworst Worstofbest on 17/08/2009 22:47:40
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Mythos Jones
You took a class in saving .jpgs and failed, lul.



HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


Everyone point and laugh.
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing ( ^_^)---> (T_T )

Kravick Drasani
Posted - 2009.08.17 23:27:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 17/08/2009 23:29:39
I'm going to try to be as polite to you as I can without laughing my ass off and ridiculing you, but you should now that this is going to be extremely difficult for me as you are going to one of those "universities" that are not really a university. They are just massive black holes for peoples money. AKA a rip off.

Yes, every teacher you encounter in UPX, DeVry, ITT Tech, or any other "Technical" school is in fact, not a teacher. They tend to avoid hiring actual teachers because that would be too expensive. These "universities" are a for profit business. They are traded on the NY stock exchange. They do not care about your education. They pander to their stockholders. This means cutting as many corners as possible. The recruiter you spoke too? Used car salesmen. They are paid to lie to you and they know it. Didn't you find it a little odd that when you took their entrance test that you got, "One of the highest scores we've seen today!" when all of their questions where bull**** that didn't make any sense? They are paid based on how many people they recruit into the school. This normally is an illegal practice but they are not registered as a school or college and thus are not bound by the same laws that real universities are bound by. This is also why they're not accredited by anyone that matters. No real university will accept credits from any of these places.

The education you are getting is watered down, inaccurate, and incomplete. I highly doubt you will even get a decent job with the so called degree you would get from such a school. Most people know what kind of bull**** these places teach and realize that if they did hire you they'd have to reteach you most of what you "learned" and thus you're not worth hiring. The "education" you are receiving there is watered down, more expensive, and bad, compared to a real college.

My advice to you is leave while you can. Go to a real school. You're already ****ed financially as they take out loans using Sallie Mae. In a nut shell, Sallie Mae is legalized loan sharking. Their interest rates are outrageously high. You are so ****ed its not even funny when it comes to them. What you need to do, before it gets worse, is get the hell outta there so your already massive debt doesn't get even bigger.

But don't take my word for it. Type in University of Pheonix, DeVry, ITT Tech or any of those other schools and you'll just see the mountainous evidence for yourself.

Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.08.17 23:40:00 - [7]
 

Wow, you learn somethign new everyday.

Kata Dakini
Amarr
Flatiron Academy
Posted - 2009.08.18 00:30:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kravick Drasani
words


Well, from what I have seen, these programs are NOT a ripoff... assuming you're a 90 something IQ middle aged woman with three kids.

Do I feel this program is beneath me? Of course.

I've about had it, though. Any recommendations for online learning? It's quite impossible for me to attend live classes.

adfadfadfawe
Posted - 2009.08.18 00:45:00 - [9]
 

I would be curious as to what you consider a "real school." For half a century academics have been arguing over the grade inflation of universities and companies have been complaining that college graduates have no skills. Seems like technical schools aren't the only ones with a bad reputation.

Originally by: Kravick Drasani
Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 17/08/2009 23:29:39
I'm going to try to be as polite to you as I can without laughing my ass off and ridiculing you, but you should now that this is going to be extremely difficult for me as you are going to one of those "universities" that are not really a university. They are just massive black holes for peoples money. AKA a rip off.

Yes, every teacher you encounter in UPX, DeVry, ITT Tech, or any other "Technical" school is in fact, not a teacher. They tend to avoid hiring actual teachers because that would be too expensive. These "universities" are a for profit business. They are traded on the NY stock exchange. They do not care about your education. They pander to their stockholders. This means cutting as many corners as possible. The recruiter you spoke too? Used car salesmen. They are paid to lie to you and they know it. Didn't you find it a little odd that when you took their entrance test that you got, "One of the highest scores we've seen today!" when all of their questions where bull**** that didn't make any sense? They are paid based on how many people they recruit into the school. This normally is an illegal practice but they are not registered as a school or college and thus are not bound by the same laws that real universities are bound by. This is also why they're not accredited by anyone that matters. No real university will accept credits from any of these places.

The education you are getting is watered down, inaccurate, and incomplete. I highly doubt you will even get a decent job with the so called degree you would get from such a school. Most people know what kind of bull**** these places teach and realize that if they did hire you they'd have to reteach you most of what you "learned" and thus you're not worth hiring. The "education" you are receiving there is watered down, more expensive, and bad, compared to a real college.

My advice to you is leave while you can. Go to a real school. You're already ****ed financially as they take out loans using Sallie Mae. In a nut shell, Sallie Mae is legalized loan sharking. Their interest rates are outrageously high. You are so ****ed its not even funny when it comes to them. What you need to do, before it gets worse, is get the hell outta there so your already massive debt doesn't get even bigger.

But don't take my word for it. Type in University of Pheonix, DeVry, ITT Tech or any of those other schools and you'll just see the mountainous evidence for yourself.

Kravick Drasani
Posted - 2009.08.18 01:15:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 18/08/2009 01:18:20
Originally by: Kata Dakini
Originally by: Kravick Drasani
words


Well, from what I have seen, these programs are NOT a ripoff... assuming you're a 90 something IQ middle aged woman with three kids.

Do I feel this program is beneath me? Of course.

I've about had it, though. Any recommendations for online learning? It's quite impossible for me to attend live classes.


Its your money and you can do with it as you want. Well, borrowed money. I'll still urge you to check out your local community colleges or universities. You'd be very surprised how a lot of them also have online courses. The difference here, however, is that they're run by actual teachers with teaching degrees. You'd end up paying way less in the long run and your degree won't be viewed as a joke by most people.

Theres a reason proper education is government regulated. The "universities" I mentioned are not regulated, but capitalizing on the people just like you. Single, have kids, and desperate to get out of the financial situation they're in (I assume thats the case anyway). Not that there is anything wrong with making a profit, but corporations only care about profits and paying their shareholders. This means cutting as many corners as possible to do it. Not hiring real teachers being only one of many ways to do this. If you think this "teacher" is bad, just wait. Its only going to go down hill from here.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.08.18 01:38:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Jin Nib on 18/08/2009 01:40:10
Originally by: Kata Dakini
Originally by: Kravick Drasani
words


Well, from what I have seen, these programs are NOT a ripoff... assuming you're a 90 something IQ middle aged woman with three kids.

Do I feel this program is beneath me? Of course.

I've about had it, though. Any recommendations for online learning? It's quite impossible for me to attend live classes.
I'd still have to recommend live classes. There is no comparison really. Unfortunately you say its impossible for your situation, so I would suggest choosing something your interested in and researching the hell out of it yourself, using the net and books (library or second hand purchase). If you can, take trips in-order to get class experience, most workshops can be fit into short trips.

If you're after a marketable skill then even in remote areas I'd imagine there would still be apprenticeship opportunities if you push for 'em a little.

I can't really say how much influence (positive or negative) having a degree from one of these schools would have on a prospective employer. We're it me hiring into my field, I would say I wouldn't even pay attention to it. But I'm not an employer so take that with a grain of salt.

Edit: Um... How, pray tell, does one give an oral presentation if no one else is present?

Janice Jankowski
Posted - 2009.08.18 02:31:00 - [12]
 

Many real universities are offering online or off campus courses these days

Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
Posted - 2009.08.18 05:42:00 - [13]
 

UPX is a scam and always has been. Our chain of command told us specifically to avoid UPX when applying to online classes

Lumynus
Caldari
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team
Posted - 2009.08.18 07:33:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Orion Eridanus
UPX is a scam and always has been. Our chain of command told us specifically to avoid UPX when applying to online classes


Hmm... my boss gave me a promotion and a raise for taking courses at UPX online and I don't do too badly financially (about 45k take home as a single guy). He said that although that he respected my 10 years as an IT professional, he found it rather disturbing that I didn't have a degree to go with my certs. I guess it all depends on perspective. I took that technical writing class the OP is talking about and what I learned in the class did improve my tech manuals and reports.

g0ggalor
Posted - 2009.08.18 14:36:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Kata Dakini
I am in the middle of my second block of classes at UPX, and am beginning to question my decision to get my degree online.
fixed it for ya.

Sazkyen
Posted - 2009.08.18 14:48:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Sazkyen on 18/08/2009 15:09:47
Originally by: Mythos Jones
You took a class in saving .jpgs and failed, lul.


Laughing

Okay. It was funny as hell.

Well. I don't know much about the Univ of Phoenix, but I've attended several other distance ed courses and the one thing I had to learn was that if one is to succeed, one has to adapt to the instructors. Quite simply put, no matter what the instructor says just take it in silence, and next time try to live up to his/her expectations. That is, if you want better grades.

I've seen people arguing all over univ forums about trivial stuff, trying to play the smart guy, others trying to be cynical, yet other people not paying any attention at all (e.g., don't RAR your assignment, use ZIP! Yet they complain when they fail once again for using RAR, etc.,). It's usually simple stuff that people can't get over.

Yes, it's trivial. You should try to avoid being a smartass though, IMHO. Just forget it.

Once a guy simply posted a message on a univ forum stating the instructor was an *******. That's not the way this game is supposed to be played. You're a freaking student. Unless you hold an advanced degree in that particular subject, don't complain about trivial stuff, even if you feel the instructor is wrong. (And if you have one, why the heck are you there? :)


Currently I'm studying with Univ of Oxford and the Open Univ (both British).

One thing they don't like is inappropriate citing of references (or lack of thereof).

Yeah, sometimes instructions aren't very clear. You're usually free to ask the instructors when in doubt though. Ask them. Also ask other students as well. Usually there are several advanced students in the same group who have already taken other classes and know the subject/instructors and can help you to adapt.

Don't argue with instructors though. If you must, do it in private mail, not on the forums :D

Once I tried to be smart, pointed out several obvious errors in the course material. Thought I would get some patting on the back or something. My ass. I got an open answer, stating that I should have paid more attention, since an errata was disclosed at http://univ.edu.myuniv/course/theguides/whynotlookhere/errata.html :D

What the heck. Apply to University of London (external programme). It's cheap like hell, it's accredited and nobody would say it's a fake degree or anything. Or try Univ of Hertfordshire (get a foundation/associate first). There are a lot of possibilities out there.

Get a foundation/associate degree and suddenly you've a lot of opportunities in the UK. Top-up degrees are quite popular. You could get one from a respected univ.



Kravick Drasani
Posted - 2009.08.18 16:38:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 18/08/2009 16:41:34
Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 18/08/2009 16:40:37
Originally by: Lumynus
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
UPX is a scam and always has been. Our chain of command told us specifically to avoid UPX when applying to online classes


Hmm... my boss gave me a promotion and a raise for taking courses at UPX online and I don't do too badly financially (about 45k take home as a single guy). He said that although that he respected my 10 years as an IT professional, he found it rather disturbing that I didn't have a degree to go with my certs. I guess it all depends on perspective. I took that technical writing class the OP is talking about and what I learned in the class did improve my tech manuals and reports.


Sounds to me like he has bought into the whole didn't have higher learning excuse not to to give you a raise. You where able to do your job 100% without the need of a useless piece of paper that "certified" you, right? You basically just spent untold thousands of dollars for a pay raise that, by itself, will never pay off your loans.

Then again, I don't know how much money you owe and I don't know how much of a raise he gave you so I may just be talking out of my ass. Could very well have been justified in doing it. Honestly though, it sounds like you could have just taken any class for any freaking degree for that pay raise. Your employer sounds like a sheep.

Sazkyen
Posted - 2009.08.18 17:03:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Sazkyen on 18/08/2009 17:05:35
The truth is, a degree can come handy in a lot of different situations, not only when applying for a job.

Lately, the company I work for has won a government tender and it was required to attach a copy of the degrees the people involved in the project held. Eventually my boss had to include his, since nobody in IT had a finished degree yet Laughing

One guy is a few months from a MEng (but he holds no BSc since it's an integrated degree) the other will defend his thesis next month. I'm about two years from a degree. Almost everyone else at the company holds various degrees but non are IT related. The tender called for an IT degree (computing or information technology or mathematics). Eventually we included the copy of my boss' degree, which - if I recall correctly - was in Business with Mathematics. Laughing

As for jobs, small private companies may not ask for a degree, but bigger companies usually do, also government jobs tend to pose a degree requirement.


Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.08.18 17:21:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mythos Jones
You took a class in saving .jpgs and failed, lul.




Gasp....

Can't.....stop.....laughing.......

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


Kata Dakini
Amarr
Flatiron Academy
Posted - 2009.08.19 02:24:00 - [20]
 

More insanity from the realm of online education, here I will be quoting several sources; the course rubric, the "instructor", and myself:

(This is from a different class, CRT205, Critical Thinking, regarding my response to the assignment 'Analyzing Credibility'. I got a 79/100 on this. In my opinion, not at all a C paper, and when looking at my deductions... I missed 12 points on these two rubric guidelines. The other deductions I'm fine with, my fault.)

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From the rubric
Example 2) Who paid for this example to be created?

From my response
Each of the advertisements found on the Wendy's website were probably paid for by Wendy's.

From the rubric
Example 2) Can you detect a slant—that is, a secondary opinion conveyed by the examples’ creators?

From my response
I did not detect a secondary opinion of the advertising agency that created the Wendy's ads. The commercial's content strictly dealt with the food sold by Wendy's.

From my post to the "instructor" regarding my feedback
I am not sure why I received 0/12 points for these two areas of the assignment. I answered both questions as they were worded. The second asks, "Can you detect a slant..." I gave my response that I did not detect a slant from the example's creators. If I was supposed to detect a slant, the question should have been worded differently, "What slant do you detect..."

The response from the "instructor"
I appreciate your feedback and for letting me know that you care. Earning grades is very important and I appreciate that you are trying to be thorough. Even though you covered some of the points it did not follow the assignment guidelines.

My response
Can you please be more specific as to how I did not follow these guidelines?

"Instructor's" response
The rubric is a tool to give very specific feedback.

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Wow. How can I compete with this vast amount of "specific" feedback?

Ok, I'll admit, I would likely laugh as well if I read my OP as if it were someone else's. The failing at jpgs, yeah, haha. However, this would tick you off as well. That's 1.2% of my grade lost because the "instructor" is totally incompetent and refuses to admit it.

For giggles, this is the good part...

Our discussion question tonight reads:

Revisit the PowerPoint Presentation section of the ... Examine the examples of rhetorical devices and choose one that either makes an emotional impact on you or sparks your interest.

Copy and paste the example into the body of a forum message and include your response to this question: Why does the example affect you, and what is the statement’s persuasive motive?


and then, from the powerpoint presentation:

Letter to the editor: “We can thank ivory-tower professors like Mr. Fosl for all the head-in-the-clouds ideas our society has to content [sic] with.”

Talk about throwing me a softball. In several hundred words, I described exactly why this statement affected me, and it's persuasive motive, including:

This statement's persuasive motive, which is one that I can certainly agree with in many scenarios, defines a negative stereotype that projects educators as know-it-alls and unwilling to listen to the opinions of those outside their close circle of colleagues. I have met many educators through my job, and it stands to reason that not all are elitists and many are open to different educational philosophies than their own.

I know.. tldr.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.08.19 02:35:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kata Dakini

I know.. tldr.


No it's more like I have no clue what the normal or appropriate response should be. And now I find myself wondering if I'm a sociopath.

You sound like you're in good hands though...

Sazkyen
Posted - 2009.08.19 07:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kata Dakini

From my response
I did not detect a secondary opinion of the advertising agency that created the Wendy's ads. The commercial's content strictly dealt with the food sold by Wendy's.





Dunno. I would have asked something like "Could you please help me recognize the hidden, or less apparent, message embedded in the ads? I couldn't really see anything. Thanks in advance."

I'm not saying that you have to be utterly submissive, but it could help when you're seriously off track.

Assuming the instructor is not a complete moron along with the univ.


 

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