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whathappened
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:46:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: whathappened on 09/10/2004 23:22:31
Well I have seen it in these forums repeatedly, and I have decided to give some people some food for thought.

Typical example of what Iím referring to is in this thread.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=113650

Now I got quite annoyed after reading a few pages of that, for one reason and one reason alone. Most of the replies didnít concentrate on the subject matter, but on one small point.

WHATS A NOOB DOING FLYING A BATTLESHIP AFTER JUST ONE MONTH.

Who cares what ship he was in the point being made was the atrocious behaviour of his so called corporation members. Yet it seems 70% of you just concentrated of the battleship being flown by a noob. You didnít offer any advice or words of encouragement, or anything like that. No you had to take the fact he shouldnít be flying a ship like that with the skills he had, and give him even more reason to stop playing the game if he read the replies.

What is wrong with you people? Donít you realise itís the noobs in this game that are keeping it alive. Yeah ok CCP have their dedicated group of players, but they want more. After all isnít this game all about profit for them? Yet quite a few of you seem to be content in making people feel like their not welcome to be part of this game. Donít any of you realise that the noob to this game is already fighting a losing battle. They are so far behind most people who started playing this game a launch its unreal.

So for them to achieve something like getting into to a battleship after just 1 month shouldnít attract so much flak. To be honest I think they should be getting more help in whatever way it may be needed. Just so these people are given more reason to continue playing rather than leave. Why anybody in their right mind would want to pay the amount we pay to play this game. Just to be constantly told their useless at everything, I will never understand. Yet that is what is being done day in and day out on these forums by so many. We noobs know we have skills that totally pale in comparison to a large majority of players in this game. There is absolutely no reason to constantly keep reminding people of this fact.

digitalwanderer
Gallente
DF0 incorporated
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:57:00 - [2]
 

True words indeed,and to be quite honest,i'm betting that at least some of the people who did flame him because he was flying a BS within a month,did the exact same thing when they started playing EVE at release by getting into a BS as fast as possible too...Rolling Eyes

Luciender
Gallente
Reikoku
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:21:00 - [3]
 

a player is allowed to do whatever he/she pleases...

while i dont advise new players getting into a battleship, i do support them in that it will make them advance in the game faster, but i wouldnt recomend pvp'ing. they can use it ye, but i just warn them not to ***** if they loose their bs and they claim someone hacked or exploited or somthing...

i would warn them if they get owned, is cause their skills are too low to decently arm a battleship with appropiate mods/weapons etc...

Nerid
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:46:00 - [4]
 

There isn't much to say about that really. He made a mistake and learned from it. Hopefully he wont make the same mistake again.

Kel Shek
Posted - 2004.10.10 00:48:00 - [5]
 

this game seems to get alot of people who are new to MMO's(not you, I mean in general) and this causes certain problems.

for one, people who are new to MMO's, on this sort of MMO, don't quite know how to pace themselves, and the game doesn't do it for them. essentially you can **** up your gaming experience and the game doesn't stop you.

FINE, its great of them to have gotten into a BS so quickly. but I for one STILL encourage them to slow down. and encourage anyone who'll listen to NOT support a corp situation that tries to boost new people into BS's in their first month.

why?

Quote:
Donít you realise itís the noobs in this game that are keeping it alive.
that is why. new players are of NO use to the game's livelyhood if they don't stick around. if I had a BS when I was at 1M sp, I would not be here now, because I'd be SO bored out of my skull. great, they got a BS. but they can't effectively fight with it. they can't effectively run agent missions with it.

they mine their ass off for a month or two to get into and insure a BS. but now with their fancy new ship, all they can do with it for 2-3 MORE months, is mine, until they have developed the skills. (I for one like to fly my best ship as much as possible.... unless its entirely inappropriate) which, is dead training time, as they are not using the results of the training time while they train up to the BS level skills. my personal example of this, is when I was training up to torps for when I get my Megathron built. it was TERRIBLE. since none of the ships I fly, use missiles... it was completely un-productive training time, on the short term "fun" scale. sure it'll be worth it in the long run, but if your not having fun NOW, you won't stick with the game. (ok, some machosists will, but thats not everyone)

I think the reason the BS issue, in the circumstance you refer to, was harped on so much, at least by me, was that the exact same situation, if they had been in a cruiser, would not have been an "I'm quitting" catastrophy. essentially in some views, the fact that they were in BS's is directly connected to the reason the game has 2 fewer players.

belive it or not, there IS alot of content between being in an Ibis/Velator/whatever and being in a BS. and the method this game uses for skill development, at least as far as I can imagine, its somewhat essential to pace your progress. I doubt its fun for someone in a BS, and 1.0 standing, to work up their agent standing to something decent, so they can enjoy the tough missions, or refine better, or get tech 2 components... whatever. am I making any sense here?

MY angle on it, is NOT trying to keep people from playing how they want, its trying to show them that in these games, sometimes its most enjoyable, for the longest period of time, to take it slow.

Gunstar Zero
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.10.10 00:59:00 - [6]
 

Agree, but take a second and empathise with some of the chaps who have been around since the start.

In the beginning there were no Miner IIs, no astrogeology skill, agents were a poor way of making money and certainly didnt hand out implants (which didnt exist), NPCing really didnt net that much cash, Cruisers were hard to come by, Battleships didnt exist because no-one had the blueprints so someone had to save up their isk to buy a BP mining in ickle ships.

Lots of folk served their time in smaller ships and getting hold of a battleship was hard work (btw insurance sucked too). Lots of people put it crazy amounts of work to achieve pixel based progression, where we lovingly exist in an overgrown spreasheet ;-P.

It bothers some people that a 'noob' can attain this level of progression quite so easily. Personally I couldnt care less :-), though I'd rate a pilots ability somewhat more If I knew they understood how ships of all classes performed by having first hand experience, through time served.

whathappened
Posted - 2004.10.10 09:35:00 - [7]
 

Ok you have all made some rather good points. And I will not dispute what has been said so far in general. However there is one thing thatís needs to stop. Thatís the continued degrading of a noob for whatever reason. I only used that particular incident with the battleship as that was the most resent. That doesnít change the fact thatís it seems to be quite a common attitude for a lot of people out all the negatives.

Why canít more people give be positive towards the noobs who screws up? Rather than make them feel like they should not even bother playing. I personally have had my fair share of experience with MMO games before, and I know it can be a ***** to start in the beginning when there is nothing. However that is absolutely no excuse for making those people who start later than you feel inadequate. Wouldnít it be more productive to the Game, Community and every individual? If people didnít hold a grudge or whatever it is they are doing. And actually encourage people who are noobs to play the game by sharing their experience.

It would be far more productive to take what you know about flying a battleship, or an inty whatever, and share with them so they donít feel so overwhelmed. Have any of you even thought for one second just how intimidating this game is when it comes to skills. So letís look at this from a noobs point of view. This is a space game where you fly ships. There are 900 or so skills to learn, whatís going to be the most productive and the easiest for me to understand? The ship skills thatís what, and when you get a skill for a new ship donít you want to fly one?

Look I'm starting to go back to the BS thing again. This thread isnít here to discuss that specifically. This thread is here to point out that too many of you older players are too quick to jump on the noob players mistakes.

WHY JUMP ON THEIR MISTAKES AND MAKE THEM FEEL WORSE SO THEY WANT TO LEAVE? WHEN YOU COULD GIVE THEM FAR MORE AND ACTUALLY MAKE THEM A FEEL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. BY JUST BEING POSITIVE!!!!!

pardux
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.10.10 10:15:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: pardux on 10/10/2004 10:18:05
i mined for my first bs(typhoon) on my own only 3-5 corp minings for 2-4 hours maybe just for isk to buy mega+zyd. I lost a rupture and my alts osprey when mining in 0.8 for the typhoon because of a corp warp(the guy made instas in a altEmbarassed). i had 1mill sp then when i got it but only flew it after i got lvl4 hull upgrades and other basic bs skills.. and didnīt put insurance until i got the sabotaged mission(Embarassedit went BOOMugh)

Majin Buu
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2004.10.10 10:41:00 - [9]
 

i personally cannot see the point in getting a BS if you have very low skills. The only reason that i can think of is that he/she wants it to mine, which tbh is a very valid reason to get one.

If on the other hand that "noob" has the BS to hunt big NPC spawns or pvp in it then then he will lose it very quickly, and what do you think his thoughts will be after losing it?

"*******s to this, ive just lost a bs in 5 mins that took me a whole month to get"???

So there goes another player leaving the game......

Corps should encourage players to move up the ladder step by step, to learn each ship size and experiment with diff setups etc. After he has enjoyed himself and knows how to fly/survive in a frigate/cruiser/inty and if he feels he is ready to pilot a BS properly then and only then he should get one.

What people dont seem to realise (mainly noob carebear mining corps) is that smaller ships (cruisers/frigs/intys) are alot more fun to pilot that BS's. I personaly am a day 1 char, i have lots of ships now, mainly BS's but the only time im in a BS is when im mining in 0.0, the rest of the time when im fighting im in my inty as its hell of alot more fun than fighting in my BS. I havent tried this yet but i assume normal frigs are even more fun cause it doesnt really matter if you lose them Rolling Eyes.

Myko
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.10.10 10:45:00 - [10]
 

why do n00bs feel the need to post every mistake they make? its not as if 90% of the playerbase havent done it themselves at one point, and usually the post is less about them admitting a mistake but more about complaining about stuff they dont understand and asking CCP to fix it for them rather than them sorting it themselves.

IMHO its not so much anti-n00b as anti-complainer. I get fed up with veterans who complain about senseless stuff as well. And complaining about complainers that complain is terrible irony and pretty pointless. So i'll stop Smile

AvanCade
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2004.10.10 11:20:00 - [11]
 

Who cares about noobs flying battleships. Being able to fly, and being able to handle it are two different things. On top of that, if you talk about battle, a battleship alone cant do a damn thing. For mining, yes, convinient to fly a battleship. But forther its pretty worthless.

Ulendar
M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2004.10.10 11:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: whathappened
Ok you have all made some rather good points. And I will not dispute what has been said so far in general. However there is one thing thatís needs to stop. Thatís the continued degrading of a noob for whatever reason. I only used that particular incident with the battleship as that was the most resent. That doesnít change the fact thatís it seems to be quite a common attitude for a lot of people out all the negatives.

Why canít more people give be positive towards the noobs who screws up? Rather than make them feel like they should not even bother playing. I personally have had my fair share of experience with MMO games before, and I know it can be a ***** to start in the beginning when there is nothing. However that is absolutely no excuse for making those people who start later than you feel inadequate. Wouldnít it be more productive to the Game, Community and every individual? If people didnít hold a grudge or whatever it is they are doing. And actually encourage people who are noobs to play the game by sharing their experience.

It would be far more productive to take what you know about flying a battleship, or an inty whatever, and share with them so they donít feel so overwhelmed. Have any of you even thought for one second just how intimidating this game is when it comes to skills. So letís look at this from a noobs point of view. This is a space game where you fly ships. There are 900 or so skills to learn, whatís going to be the most productive and the easiest for me to understand? The ship skills thatís what, and when you get a skill for a new ship donít you want to fly one?

Look I'm starting to go back to the BS thing again. This thread isnít here to discuss that specifically. This thread is here to point out that too many of you older players are too quick to jump on the noob players mistakes.

WHY JUMP ON THEIR MISTAKES AND MAKE THEM FEEL WORSE SO THEY WANT TO LEAVE? WHEN YOU COULD GIVE THEM FAR MORE AND ACTUALLY MAKE THEM A FEEL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. BY JUST BEING POSITIVE!!!!!



Relax dude really :p

The only way to LEARN anything is to make mistakes and learn from them. The battlehsip issue is one where people made a very specific mistake and (hopefully) learned from it. Be completely honest with yourself and ask yourself... Howmany games have a played wher ei made no mistakes and i actually got good at that game...

If you are truely honest then you will find that it is none. EVE is the same. but in EVE things are much more steep then with most games. you are rewarded much more greatly but in case of mistakes you are also punished more severly. Risk vs reward! If you do not like games that are 'hard' then EVE is not for you simple as that.

But is losing one bship or making one mistake REALLY a reason to just drop the game and quit? Surely people have more spine than that?! People who make alot of mistakes become good EVE players, they only need to have the stamina to move on and learn from them!

The community, and especially the forums, will often have a harsh stance towards things like these but the reason isnt that they hate nubs or their nubness. The reason is that they heard it all a billion times before, same mistakes, same rants same stupid 'i dont think i wanna play anymore' stories. Yes weve heard it all before and no its not entertaining.

You say that there was little to no support in the thread abotu the battleship, yet i was active in that thread and saw many good advices that people gave out, albeit some were given in a harsh manner or tone but its still good advice! The community DOES care about nubs and they do make efforts to teach them stuff and give them advice...but do they take the advice? Thats another question...

whathappened
Posted - 2004.10.10 12:20:00 - [13]
 

will you people stop concentrating on that one thread. i only used it as an example. it is the overall feeling of what most people said i was pointing out. i couldnt care less about the battleship.

MY POINT was that most people dont offer support or anything like that. they just make people who make mistakes feel even worse about it. and that is a constant in all threads regardless what the subject matter may be.

Pulgor
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:00:00 - [14]
 

Heh, only in EVE can crap like that happen. Only in EVE.

Burga Galti
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:03:00 - [15]
 

IMO, the problem with that particular post was the line: "it's looking like CCP are going to lose another 2 new customers".

The veterans have heard this story over, and over, and over again. It turned a warning post, into one of the various "I'm quitting becasue [insert reason here]" posts.

People automatically concentrated on the reason behind this particular quitting post and that was the loss of the battleship. If they had lost their BS in another way, blown by rats for example, the result would most likely have been the same.

Many people in this thread did offer advice, Don't fly a battleship after just a month. Simple.

The atrocious behaviour of his corpmates ended in the destruction of his ship. It started with encouraging him into it. There isn't anything that can really be done by the forum after the event, so advice was given to new players not to get into battleships so fast.

The noob is only fighting a losing battle if they choose to fly in battleships. If noobs flew support ships, frigate scouts etc then it would not be a losing battle. They would be participating fully in the game, to the extent they are capable of.

Oh, and just a bit of advice for yourself personally. If you don't want people to concentrate on a single post, don't quote a single post.

Eve Baenre
Minmatar
The Rogues of Fibonacchi
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:12:00 - [16]
 

What Eve is severely lacking are more intermediate ships where the only difference is the paint job. Other MMORPGs have armor for each level where the only difference is the color rather than the model itself.

What this would do is increase the variety of ships people can use and with some tweaking it can get rid of this:
"Why go for tier 2 when I go for tier 3?"
There is rarely any reason to use ships of lower power if you can easily train and buy more powerful ones.

Vex Seraphim
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:32:00 - [17]
 

You want to know why i bash noobs that fly bs?
cause he WILL get owned by ANYone, even npc cruisers,
NO MATTER how many advices you give him, and how many fittings you
tell him exist.

It is that way simply because he has no practical knowledge of HANDLING
a ship smaller than that.

a noob should NOT fly a bs, or a cruiser.

Cmdr Sp0ck
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:45:00 - [18]
 

Yeah, but the point is not that the noob is in a battleship, rather it is the way people often answer or reply to their mistake.

Normally newbs will only learn when they actually lose their ships and realise that having wasted all that money was useless, due to lack of skills.

I think most of us suffered that at some point or another, but we shouldn't bash them with a bat for it. Best we can do is teach them why they shouldn't fly certain ships without a certain level of skills.

On the other hand, it gets somewhat "annoying" to see that most noobs spent countless hours minning for a ship which is not meant for them yet.

Vex Seraphim
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:48:00 - [19]
 

Scenario:

a noob is born
the noob opens his eyes and sees big bloody ships flying around, behemonths, The Battleships
the noob wants one of his own
the noob mines 24/7 for a month,
with red eyes after asteroid-watching for what seems like an eternity, he buys a bs
he gets owned by 2 npc cruisers and 3 frigs
he quits the game.

Pitt
Gallente
Dashavatara
Posted - 2004.10.10 14:57:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Pitt on 10/10/2004 15:01:03
I understand the way that "noobs" are veiwed by the older players and the way "noobs" view the older players. Here is my take on it for what it's worth.

I grew up on a farm in a large family, and people in eve act alot like my brothers and sisters did when I was growing up. The oldest were first in pecking order. Why? Not only because they were the oldest, but because they also did the most work on the farm. While the youngest were still in bed at 4 A.M. the oldest were out feeding the cattle and doing chores.

This meant at breakfast they, the oldest, were first in line for food. If and when one of the youngest steped out of line and tried to cut to the front of the line, he/she was slapped back down to they're proper place.

Not because the older kids were being mean, but because they had done more work for a longer time than the youngest.

In eve however, the parents(DEVS) have made it easier for the youngest to get whatever they want with little work. And the youngest still want more changes to make it easier for them. When I started this game, it was a real struggle, no sentry's, no agents, no miner 2's etc..A "noob" these day's has it very easy and the older kids sometimes get very upset that we've had to get up a 4 A.M. to do chores while you slept and yet you get breakfast first. Btw in RL i was one of the youngest.

Bele gorri
Minmatar
Solar Wind
Posted - 2004.10.10 16:07:00 - [21]
 

Wise words Whathappened.

There is one point i wanted to remember. Many , really many ppl in this game feels good ranting other ppl.

Concord was created cause some players were podkilling noobs in the very first systems they appeared, in their very first hours of game.

Noobs are easy victims, and they feel good harming them, in game or here in the forums, insulting them and calling them just "noob" and laughing at their failures.

Its sad, but i think it's that way.

Forget them. They only diserve that

Btw, i'm a "noob", although have 16M points . Ah i'm a carebear too

Wink

whathappened
Posted - 2004.10.10 16:09:00 - [22]
 

Pitt would I be wrong if I said something?

Those older brothers and sisters may well have worked the hardest to get where they were. However wasnít the whole point of their toil to give the younger ones the same chance of life, or even a better chance? And even if one of the younger stepped out of line and got slapped for it. I bet that same younger brother or sister wouldnít have been given if half as much crap, they would get in this game. Letís say for e.g. using the same farm analogy.

The younger child saw all the extra food and stuff the older children got, and decided they were not happy with that and wanted to have the same treatment. So they get up one morning and jump on the tractor with the intention of ploughing a field that needs doing. Even though they are not old enough or even ready to do so. They still do it because they want to be a more productive member of the family. And yeah you guessed it they crash the tractor.

Ok everyone is a little ****ed at them for doing this, but wouldnít they soon come to a realisation. The realisation that they could have lost that brother or sister forever. And that they also had some responsibility as the oldest to ensure this never happened again. Yet what is happening here is nobody is preventing things from happening. They are encouraging them to happen, a typical example of this being. I asked in the mission chat what ship would be best to do my first level 3 mission. And what was I told, yeah you guessed it. ďI wouldnít try doing them mission till youíre in a battleshipĒ

Nothing else was said no advice on skills I would need, or tactics that would best suit flying a battleship. Yet if I had been destroyed on my first mission, and gone back to that channel or even the forums and told people this. All I would have heard from them would be how Iím not ready to do this, and not ready to do that. Whatís happened to the responsible older players whom should be helping to nurture and grow us noobs into the next generation of responsible players to help the next generation of noobs.

Warm0nger
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2004.10.10 16:16:00 - [23]
 

I don't see why people are getting so heated about this... If noobs wanna hurry into a BS and get themselves blow up, let 'em. :)

I was in a BS by the time I had 900k skill points. I mined my ass off for a Raven. For me, I used it to do L3 missions a LOT easier ;) No more warping in at 60km in a Caracal and immediately turning around and running while lobbing heavy missiles over my shoulder. NOW, I could warp in at 20 or 30 to give myself time to lock onto things and just shield tank. I would, however, take off my MWD and add another shield hardener for things blockade or mordus missions - usually passive kinetic to go along with my active thermal.

I KNOW I would get torn up in 0.0. I KNOW I would get torn up by pvp in low sec 'roid belts. I'll keep my Raven to 0.5 space and above until I'm trained up.

Now, that I've used my Raven to aquire every +3 implant there is, I've found that I can't do much more with it for now. I don't need any more implants, and I can't do any hunting/pvp in it. I've switched back to a fast frigate and am currently learning to find safe spots. (found 3 yesterday..heh)

If a noob doesn't have common sense enough to protect his/her investment in a BS by being very careful with it, let 'em lose it. Serves them right for taking chances with something that they worked so hard to attain.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.10.10 16:45:00 - [24]
 

Teacup, meet storm.

Pitt
Gallente
Dashavatara
Posted - 2004.10.10 17:45:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Pitt on 10/10/2004 18:06:08
I guess my point is this, when the game itself was very unforgiving and harsh the people playing it seemed to be very forgiving and helpful to others. Now the game is very forgiving and helpful(sentry guns everywhere, high paying missions, uber ship insurance, etc..) and the people playing don't feel they need to be.

Example, if big daddy(concord) holds the youngest and protects him from everything, The big brothers don't have to and will laugh at the little brother when he gets hurt. Why, becuause they know big daddy will be there to pick him up.

p.s. I don't hate noobs I'm glad they've discoverd eve. I have alot of respect for new people and hope they enjoy eve as much as I do. But as said before, trial and error is a learning experiance, not a reason to quit. If you can't loose and be an adult about it, I have no sympathy for you. I've won and lost several times, and I learned more from my loss's than my wins.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.10.10 22:11:00 - [26]
 


I've noticed alot of this "you noob stfu" attitude from certain people in Eve (always the same ones too strangly). Honestly it makes me wonder what type of people they really are. I mean they're not replying in character its just malicious and mean. If it was some kind of roleplaying an "axxxxxe" I'd understand but they don't even pretend to. They just ARE that way.

Common courtesy aside I like the live by the addage "say something nice or at least constructive or don't say anything at all" (notice I didn't say "or stfu").

Personally I don't think much of these people. I mean how hard is it to be nice to someone. I meet people in real life like this and regardless of their wealth or anything else all I see is "low class". I'm sorry but being nice to people should be the EXPECTATION and not the EXCEPTION.

Archbishop Smile

Being nice to newbies and everyone else since Beta 3

Decilius
Gallente
Inter Planetary Expeditions
Posted - 2004.10.11 13:06:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Sp0ck
Yeah, but the point is not that the noob is in a battleship, rather it is the way people often answer or reply to their mistake.
Quote:


Now before anyone flames me out I havent read the complete thread yet so....

On to my point, I have been playing Eve for over a year now and have been running my own corp for most of that time and when a noob joins us (although we never call them that as I hated the term) (s)he is advised persuaded and completely coerced into not mining all the hours in a day and spending loads of isk on buying a battleship just to go and get it blown up. Instead they are taught the same way I was working their way up through the frigate ranks into cruisers and finally when they feel confident enough they are let loose with a battleship.

Now I'm not saying that the way we do things is foolproof as I myself have lost lots of ships but after a rant and rave with myself I "pick myself up dust myself off and start all over again.LaughingLaughing

DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
Posted - 2004.10.11 13:24:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: DarkMatter on 11/10/2004 13:42:02
Edited by: DarkMatter on 11/10/2004 13:26:22
To the original poster:

I hear ya man, this community is full of self rightgeous knowitalls, one of the most kocky & abrasive online comunities I've ever experienced, especially here on the forums.

You really do need a flame ******ant suit to play this game, and especially if you are going to post on the foums.

It's tough playing a game, and making friends in this type of environment, especially when you know a lot of players out there are scamming you in some way, so pitifull... so childish...


Isolo
Posted - 2004.10.11 14:01:00 - [29]
 

I was the one that made the 1 month BS noob comment. I was not trying to be sarcastic at all. If you read my comment in the other thread, you will notice it is a question. I was seriously asking how one can get a BS in a month of playing.

I thought it would take long then a month just to get the skills for a BS, not to mention the cash.

Just wondered...

Isolo

flummox
Posted - 2004.10.11 14:29:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Vex Seraphim
You want to know why i bash noobs that fly bs?
cause he WILL get owned by ANYone, even npc cruisers,
NO MATTER how many advices you give him, and how many fittings you
tell him exist.

It is that way simply because he has no practical knowledge of HANDLING
a ship smaller than that.

a noob should NOT fly a bs, or a cruiser.


and let's define "noob/newb/newbie/noobie" then?

but before you answer, consider this simple question:

who are you to pass judgement on anyone or anthing?

and now consider this statement:

whatever answer you come up with to the newb question is wrong.

here's my opinion on the subject at hand:

to the person who lost the ship: be wise and not post things like that on the forums. as you can see, it never really nets good stuff.

to all the people judging the "unskilled newbs": instead of wasting our time here, spend that time looking in the mirror...


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