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Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:32:00 - [1]
 

I just resubscribed yesterday and just found out that POS are only for 0.0-0.1 space.

I resubscribed, looked foward to joining a mining corp in like 0.4-0.7 space where with a refinery, and moon miner, shield, missle and gun POS to defend against NPC's. Now I find out its only for 0.0-0.1 space. Cant say im too excited about it.

I only have 2,000,000 experience points, 8,000,000 ISK in the bank, a thorax (almost to battleship too) and Iteron V. Even then, I cant afford to go waltzing through 0.0 space, I can barely defend myself in 0.5 space against NPC's.

Im not a carebear by choice, but by necessity.

Focht
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:44:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Focht on 09/10/2004 22:49:05
Lets spell it out, your char is 2-2.5 month old, cant yet fly a battleship and you talk already about state of the art technology?

Eve is a teamgame, your skillpoints dont matter if you join a corp of m8s and work together with them (mining in 0.0 space in teams is even possible in cruisers if you have a guard).

You need to get some more skillpoints and join a corp and invest some more time playing (making isk) then all the shiva additions (remember they are for the advanced players alike as for the new ones) will be open for you. So u must understand pos is not for empire space (especially since empire space has already tons of stations). Empire space is and always was a space for the newer players and in natural you should use more advanced ships and more advanced tech the further you go out with 0.0 beeing the open sea full of sharks.
Keeping that in mind POS should be there for the deep sea and not for the flat beaches.

Carebear Barney
Caldari
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:47:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Carebear Barney on 09/10/2004 22:59:32
I believe that we need to hear a confirmation from CCP. I'm in the same boat as you.. and I have less skills points then you.

I would like CCP should tell us the truth of the matter now, so we can make the decision whether or not we should cancel our account.

I think POS should be available to anyone new or old in the game and buildable in all security systems. I came into the game wanting to have a small mining corp. My character isn't a fighter, but a miner. I want to run a corp of ppl who specialize in mining. I don't want to be forced into having a corp that looks like everyone elses corp with fighters, etc.

There are many ppl who play this game in a casual and social way, not PvP.. remember that please.. and will simply quit if POS are only for certain ppl in the game. I'd support doing the same.

CCP will certainly injure their business income profits by turning away thousands of ppl who are attracted to the POS but turned off by not being able to have one.


MrBinary
Minmatar
Binary Systems
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:47:00 - [4]
 

First of all to the last poster...EvE is a team game...that's your personal opinion monkey. CCP has never stated or eluded to that.

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.

Thanks,
MrBinary

Focht
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:50:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: MrBinary
First of all to the last poster...EvE is a team game...that's your personal opinion monkey. CCP has never stated or eluded to that.

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.

Thanks,
MrBinary


You do realise what multiplayer means do you ?
Why are there corps if freelancers have better chances ?
The game is a community/team game and was designed like this from the first step (you cant be a jack of all trades and corps always need some interaction between members, may it be alts or a single char.

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:52:00 - [6]
 

Some people who play this game must suck. I have less than 1.3 million skill points and ive been hutning rats in 0.0 in my cruiser for weeks. The only thing I cant kill where I am is battleships.

I have 550 million right now in my wallet. I started EVE (for the first time) 2 months ago. If I felt like it, in 4 days time I could be piloting a Raven. I am one to beleive, however, that one should have sufficent skills to back up his investment. I shall wait to buy a BS. Besides..I have no need. I will construct a POS when they come out, however..and pay (either by isk or by giving them access rights) people to defend it. :)

So...no, you are a cearbear by choice...not necessity.

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:54:00 - [7]
 

All my skill points are for indys, cruiser, mining and drones, and learning skills.

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: MrBinary

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.



LOL I love people who are like this. No skill. No ability to adapt. No creativity. no sense of what FUN is. They just want everything handed to them on a silver platter. They constantly whine about how much CCP sucks and how CCP makes all sorts of evil horrible decisions...

Why don't you just quit and give me all your stuff, noob?

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 22:57:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: TheMiner on 09/10/2004 22:59:18
Originally by: Buggsi
All my skill points are for indys, cruiser, mining and drones, and learning skills.


Thats your problem. Spend a couple days to get some medium turrets and MWD and you can fight 95% of the rat npcs you run into.

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:01:00 - [10]
 

I tried NPC hunting before with my thorax in 0.5 space. There is nearly zero ISK to be maded compared to mining, I dont understand.

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:03:00 - [11]
 

Hey what happened to the Titans?

Carebear Barney
Caldari
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:03:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Carebear Barney on 09/10/2004 23:09:23
Originally by: TheMiner
Edited by: TheMiner on 09/10/2004 22:59:18
Originally by: Buggsi
All my skill points are for indys, cruiser, mining and drones, and learning skills.


Thats your problem. Spend a couple days to get some medium turrets and MWD and you can fight 95% of the rat npcs you run into.


Why must everyone in the game be alike? Is this game for the masses of ppl or just certain ppl who are into only one playing style like player killers?? Don't we have the choice to specialize? I know many ppl who love just mining and building ships, etc.


TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:05:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Buggsi
I tried NPC hunting before with my thorax in 0.5 space. There is nearly zero ISK to be maded compared to mining, I dont understand.


I see you are a nice person and will therefore change my tone.

Yeah... mining will get you more money faster if you do it right. From day 2 of my EVE life I went to a 0.0 system (EC-P8R) and began mining crokite while dodging npc and player pirates. You can do this too, if you are intelligent.

Or you could join a corp or alliance that has complete control over a system with valuable ores in it and WORK AS A TEAM (this is a mmo) to get good results.

In terms of making awesome money by hunting NPCs... you migth need a battleship for that..but even a cruise makes an OK amount killing NPCs in 0.0...esp if it finds some "named" pirates and/or really good named modules.

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:05:00 - [14]
 

well, you know. I dont mind PVP, only problem I see is that it takes mounds of battleships to do it in 0.0 space. What about smaller corp battles in empire space? Wouldnt that be exciting too? Destroyer and frigate fleets fighting over POS in empire space would be fun and less expensive too.

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:07:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Carebear Barney

Why must wveryone in the game be alike? Is this game for the masses or just certain ppl who are into one playing style like player killers??



No one said everyone needs to be alike. I simply said if she spend some skill points in medium turrets and MWD she could kill many of the NPCs in 0.0. I dont think this will be possiblre by using industrial ships and mining lasers.

Should could, however, hire a BS fighter pilot to protect her while she mines some valuable stuff.

She has many options.

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:09:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Buggsi
well, you know. I dont mind PVP, only problem I see is that it takes mounds of battleships to do it in 0.0 space. What about smaller corp battles in empire space? Wouldnt that be exciting too? Destroyer and frigate fleets fighting over POS in empire space would be fun and less expensive too.


Yep that would be fun. Np problem there. Gopher it.

you must be female IRL. Or young. (or both) You have a mild personality. (Yes I know I just made a generalization...I could be wrong I could be right.)

MrBinary
Minmatar
Binary Systems
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:09:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Focht
Originally by: MrBinary
First of all to the last poster...EvE is a team game...that's your personal opinion monkey. CCP has never stated or eluded to that.

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.

Thanks,
MrBinary




You do realise what multiplayer means do you ?
Why are there corps if freelancers have better chances ?
The game is a community/team game and was designed like this from the first step (you cant be a jack of all trades and corps always need some interaction between members, may it be alts or a single char.


Let's not be condescending...I am well aware of what 'multiplayer' means...and it most certainly does not mean "team". Multiplayer means more than one...or not 'singleplayer'. It means that more than one person can experience the world created by the developers, at the same time. It does not mean that 'teams' or 'guilds' or whatever you want to call them, have to be created and/or joined in order to experience the game. That is an assumption you have subscribed to yourself.

You can do anything and accomplish anything in this and other MMORPGS being a solo player. Myself and many others are prime examples of this fact. Your assertion that being in a corp affords you better chances at being successful is flawed. A better chance at what? Are you in a corp? Are you better off than I? Are you suggesting that Starbases should only be afforded to those in Corps or Alliances?

But this detracts from the original posters question about Starbases. He is concerned that they are only allowed in 0.0 and 0.1 space. Personally, if true...I think this is a bad idea. There are many other MMORPGS that allow players to create/build thier own personal 'homes'. If CCP forces it's players to create thier 'homes' in volitile areas where many months of hard work and saving, could be destroyed overnight by some loser with nothing better to do...that would be a step in the wrong direction imho.

Regards,
MrBinary

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:09:00 - [18]
 

I have medium hybrid turrets.

I havent played in 5 months, so, maybe somethigns changed.

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: TheMiner
Originally by: Buggsi
well, you know. I dont mind PVP, only problem I see is that it takes mounds of battleships to do it in 0.0 space. What about smaller corp battles in empire space? Wouldnt that be exciting too? Destroyer and frigate fleets fighting over POS in empire space would be fun and less expensive too.


Yep that would be fun. Np problem there. Gopher it.

you must be female IRL. Or young. (or both) You have a mild personality. (Yes I know I just made a generalization...I could be wrong I could be right.)





lol, no, I've had my practice of trolling lots of MMORG forums, so dont get worked up about much anymore.

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:14:00 - [20]
 

Ah.. then you are a mature person.

It can be hard to distinguish betwen females (quality ones) and mature people.

Probably because quality females are mature? LOOLOLOLOLOLO

MrBinary
Minmatar
Binary Systems
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:14:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: TheMiner
Originally by: MrBinary

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.



LOL I love people who are like this. No skill. No ability to adapt. No creativity. no sense of what FUN is. They just want everything handed to them on a silver platter. They constantly whine about how much CCP sucks and how CCP makes all sorts of evil horrible decisions...

Why don't you just quit and give me all your stuff, noob?


You assume a whole lot for someone with no clue. Laughing

Kindest regards, noob.
MrBinary

Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:17:00 - [22]
 

If you are eventually allowed to place POS in empire space you must at least have a positive standing with the empire and it should cost more money to run the station.

S'Daria
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:19:00 - [23]
 

In a dev chat they said that they were 95% certain that POS will be allowed to be deployed in 0.1-0.4 system.

They also said that they would consider allowing POS in 0.5-0.8 system, but have a "rent" for "moon mining rights" to the sovergn who owns the system.


Mining, as we know, makes more money than most types of pirate hunting. Its only when you start fighting the "named" pirates that are 500k+ each when it starts being more profitable to hunt in 0.0 - provided you don't get killed by alliance or pirates there.

Believe it or not there are people who never come out of 0.5 Empire space, or rarely do.

I would hope they get to experience the PvP aspects of this game, but many don't want to so that leaves them with what?


Allowing Empire corps to have POS in Empire is good for the EVE economy. CCP already suggested that moon in 0.0 will be better to mine so allowing POS in Empire will be a money sink instead of a money windfall (possibly - still testing on Singularity).

I would think the people with POS in 0.0 want people in Empire to have POS because most likely the POS in 0.0 will help fuel the POS in Empire depending on how the moon mining works inside Empire space.


Alot of people will be miffed if CCP only allows POS in 0.0.


BTW, 0.0 is not that bad, just have your ship insured and a good clone and you're good to go. A couple of hours hunting rats will pay for any losses.


S'Daria
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:21:00 - [24]
 

POS in Empire can still be destroyed with Corp wars.


Maule
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:23:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: MrBinary
Originally by: Focht
Originally by: MrBinary
First of all to the last poster...EvE is a team game...that's your personal opinion monkey. CCP has never stated or eluded to that.

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.

Thanks,
MrBinary




You do realise what multiplayer means do you ?
Why are there corps if freelancers have better chances ?
The game is a community/team game and was designed like this from the first step (you cant be a jack of all trades and corps always need some interaction between members, may it be alts or a single char.


Let's not be condescending...I am well aware of what 'multiplayer' means...and it most certainly does not mean "team". Multiplayer means more than one...or not 'singleplayer'. It means that more than one person can experience the world created by the developers, at the same time. It does not mean that 'teams' or 'guilds' or whatever you want to call them, have to be created and/or joined in order to experience the game. That is an assumption you have subscribed to yourself.

You can do anything and accomplish anything in this and other MMORPGS being a solo player. Myself and many others are prime examples of this fact. Your assertion that being in a corp affords you better chances at being successful is flawed. A better chance at what? Are you in a corp? Are you better off than I? Are you suggesting that Starbases should only be afforded to those in Corps or Alliances?

But this detracts from the original posters question about Starbases. He is concerned that they are only allowed in 0.0 and 0.1 space. Personally, if true...I think this is a bad idea. There are many other MMORPGS that allow players to create/build thier own personal 'homes'. If CCP forces it's players to create thier 'homes' in volitile areas where many months of hard work and saving, could be destroyed overnight by some loser with nothing better to do...that would be a step in the wrong direction imho.

Regards,
MrBinary



Are you suggesting that Starbases should only be afforded to those in Corps or Alliances? <-- I would say yes becurse pos are expensive to run, aquire alot of mining whose ice feilds to get the heravy water you need to run it. you need all kinda stuff to make your starbase working.. and tbh. no one can do that alone. so yes.. its for medium to large corps and alliances.. small corps could probely do it aswell but it would aquire alot of work...

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:23:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: MrBinary

You assume a whole lot for someone with no clue. Laughing
Kindest regards, noob.
MrBinary



LOL did MrBinarys little feelings get hurt? If there was a search function I would now post links to 10 threads in which you complained about this and that and cryed about CCP being incompetant or whatever.

Focht
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:25:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: MrBinary
Originally by: Focht
Originally by: MrBinary
First of all to the last poster...EvE is a team game...that's your personal opinion monkey. CCP has never stated or eluded to that.

Second...please post a link to where it says Starbases will only be 0.0 and 0.1 space. If this is true...I certainly won't be staying around.

Thanks,
MrBinary




You do realise what multiplayer means do you ?
Why are there corps if freelancers have better chances ?
The game is a community/team game and was designed like this from the first step (you cant be a jack of all trades and corps always need some interaction between members, may it be alts or a single char.


Let's not be condescending...I am well aware of what 'multiplayer' means...and it most certainly does not mean "team". Multiplayer means more than one...or not 'singleplayer'. It means that more than one person can experience the world created by the developers, at the same time. It does not mean that 'teams' or 'guilds' or whatever you want to call them, have to be created and/or joined in order to experience the game. That is an assumption you have subscribed to yourself.

You can do anything and accomplish anything in this and other MMORPGS being a solo player. Myself and many others are prime examples of this fact. Your assertion that being in a corp affords you better chances at being successful is flawed. A better chance at what? Are you in a corp? Are you better off than I? Are you suggesting that Starbases should only be afforded to those in Corps or Alliances?

But this detracts from the original posters question about Starbases. He is concerned that they are only allowed in 0.0 and 0.1 space. Personally, if true...I think this is a bad idea. There are many other MMORPGS that allow players to create/build thier own personal 'homes'. If CCP forces it's players to create thier 'homes' in volitile areas where many months of hard work and saving, could be destroyed overnight by some loser with nothing better to do...that would be a step in the wrong direction imho.

Regards,
MrBinary



so youre saying eve was not designed as a teamgame ?
true or not:
a) a team can mine saver and more then a single player (with a single account)
b) a team gets skill boni from gangs (leadership skills)
c) a team can help ppl grow faster by borrowing isk/ giving tips / helping out with missing skills (pe5 is the way or good refining skills)
d) a team can do more damage or hunt protect better then solos

all the above in my book make a teamgame. You dont have to, thats true but its the easier road and the game supports it (simply because if players get to know each other and form teams they form a community) and unlike you apparently, ppl enjoy playing with friends (some they brought in from rl) and others who made them in eve.
The point of this thread is not affordability or who those pos are for. The person posting has 2 mil sp so is considered new, compared it to a level 1 char in diabolo or any other game and he wants to use gear which is for the more experienced players.
You think with 8 mil isk he will be able to pay and keep a station running ? i hope not, otherwise the stations will be cheaper then a friggin bs.
Stations should be a symbol (more worth then a bs etc) and should be "in danger". from the RP side, why would the empires allow ppl plastering stations all over their space, while they and concord protect it for free ?
Same as conquerable stations and t2 goods they are for the advanced players and for those who work out on the frontier, youre not telling me that large t2 guns will be for starter players will you ?

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:28:00 - [28]
 

wont NPC rats attack POS?

I can see uses for POS other then status symbols. Plenty of spots in 0.5-07 space for a refineries or storage, in systems without any stations at all.

Barth3zzzNL
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:36:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Buggsi
I resubscribed, looked foward to joining a mining corp in like 0.4-0.7 space where with a refinery, and moon miner, shield, missle and gun POS to defend against NPC's. Now I find out its only for 0.0-0.1 space. Cant say im too excited about it.

Even if you could build them in empire then you couldnt place them in belts anyway.
They have to placed in the direct orbit of a moon, the position you land on when you warp to it.

Buggsi
Posted - 2004.10.09 23:40:00 - [30]
 

Even if you could build them in empire then you couldnt place them in belts anyway.
They have to placed in the direct orbit of a moon, the position you land on when you warp to it.



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