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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 01:33:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: Master Mnemosyne
Originally by: SquadBroken
Don't know what's going on in this thread, but Invelious is actually a p. chill guy and everyone knows Jade Constantsyborsforisk is a p. big deuschbag.

::shobon:: Thread is now about Jade being a ****. That is all.


So he's not Jade Constantine?


Nope, a guy on the other side of FW who blew him up an awful lot.


Was this supposed to have happened in another game?

Master Mnemosyne
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.08.13 01:46:00 - [32]
 

ah, maybe he's roleplaying an Eve player who roleplayed an Amarr who killed you a lot in faction warfare.

Or roleplaying an idiot.

Or something.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 01:55:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Master Mnemosyne
ah, maybe he's roleplaying an Eve player who roleplayed an Amarr who killed you a lot in faction warfare.

Or roleplaying an idiot.

Or something.



Explains a lot really. Only time I've seen him has been docked or running to dock. He'd need to learn how to operate his spaceship guns to actually shoot something. The guy is to FW what Sarah Palin is to republican electral fortunes Cool


SquadBroken
Amarr
Helljumpers
Posted - 2009.08.13 02:22:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Master Mnemosyne
ah, maybe he's roleplaying an Eve player who roleplayed an Amarr who killed you a lot in faction warfare.

Or roleplaying an idiot.

Or something.



Explains a lot really. Only time I've seen him has been docked or running to dock. He'd need to learn how to operate his spaceship guns to actually shoot something. The guy is to FW what Sarah Palin is to republican electral fortunes Cool




Electoral.

That said this is coming from a person who parks their lowsec titan (lol) >1000 meters from a pos. Station hugs kamela w/ carriers, and is roleplaying a brothel owner/member. Glass houses ----- stones.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 08:50:00 - [35]
 

Oh my, what a thread.

Invelious may have completely missed the point that Heartstone was trying to make, but Heartstone's point was, to put it bluntly, badly made.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 08:53:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Context is a good thing...


Then perhaps you should have included the context of my original comment?

The Cosmopolite
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 09:28:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 13/08/2009 10:01:57
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Context is a good thing...


Then perhaps you should have included the context of my original comment?


As your comments were not at issue and my object was to provide the context of Invelious's intervention only, I honestly don't see why. Do you want your remarks to become a matter of concern here as well as on IGS? I don't see the point myself.

I mean, look, just so we're clear, Rodj, I don't consider this forum IC just because the description for the old corporation summit got melded with the CAOD description. I don't know what your view on that is but usage and history coupled with absolutely zero mod enforcement of IC behaviour on here means I have to treat it as an OOC forum. The point I am addressing to you (there is no point addressing it to Invelious) is that it's probably not a good idea to replicate a roleplayed argument in an OOC forum.

Invelious brought this here. We counter it simply to point out that neither in an IC or OOC sense do we claim what he seems to have imagined we were claiming. It's actually got very little to do with the original thread and far more to do with Invelious, as he seems to be admitting (see above remarks by him about faecal matter and dogs), being an IGS troll who likes to transplant arguments from IGS to CAOD. (This is at least the second time he's done it.) We've shared a beer or two, Rodj and I honestly don't think you should want any part of it. Personally, I'm going to ignore the thread from this point on.

Cosmo

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 10:00:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 10:06:11
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Context is a good thing...


Then perhaps you should have included the context of my original comment?


As your comments were not at issue and my object was to provide the context of Invelious's intervention only, I don't really see why.

Do you really wish your remarks to become a matter of concern here as well as on IGS? I don't see the point myself.

Cosmo



Given that I'm sort of quoted in the original post here, and given that Heartstone missed my point by as much as Invelious missed his, I would have thought that my original remarks held some relevance to the discussion, but of course you're welcome to disagree with me.

For those that haven't been following the IGS thread, here's a summary of what happened:

I stated that the militia and the CVA did not consider the POS sheltering the SF titan in Kamela to be a priority target. I went on to say that the militia did have the independent ability to attack a POS when neccessary.

Jade then claimed that the militia was incapable of initiating an anti-POS operation without CVA support.

I countered with a recent example of the militia initiating an attack on an enemy POS without support from the CVA.

It's at this point that Heartstone says that Jade should have claimed something else and that I was trying to steal the NC's thunder when I'd pointed to the Taff op as an example of the militia initiating a POS assault without CVA support. It's important to remember here that the NC did not get involved until the the second stage of the operation.

I was happy to congratulate the NC for their performance in Taff when they showed up univited to finish off the POS, but maintained that we're not bothered who finally killed it because we set out to see it destroyed and it eventually was.

And that's what prompted Heartstone to make his BoB analogy. I didn't see the connection then, and I don't see the connection now.

There are of course other posts in the linked thread which may have some lesser relevance, so I suggest that anyone with an interest in the background to this CAOD discussion heads over the IGS for a read.


The Cosmopolite
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 10:03:00 - [39]
 

I'll just say that I encourage you to read my edited post as my edit passed your post like a ship in the night.

Cosmo

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 10:09:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 10:10:02
Originally by: The Cosmopolite


Invelious brought this here. We counter it simply to point out that neither in an IC or OOC sense do we claim what he seems to have imagined we were claiming. It's actually got very little to do with the original thread and far more to do with Invelious, as he seems to be admitting (see above remarks by him about faecal matter and dogs), being an IGS troll who likes to transplant arguments from IGS to CAOD. (This is at least the second time he's done it.) We've shared a beer or two, Rodj and I honestly don't think you should want any part of it. Personally, I'm going to ignore the thread from this point on.

Cosmo



I think I mention further up the page that I think that Invelious misunderstood the point that Heartstone was trying to make. But then again, Heartstone's point wasn't very clear.

I'll also state for the record that I don't think that Invelious bringing the discussion over to CAOD was a very good move on his part.

SquadBroken
Amarr
Helljumpers
Posted - 2009.08.13 10:57:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 10:06:11
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Context is a good thing...


Then perhaps you should have included the context of my original comment?


As your comments were not at issue and my object was to provide the context of Invelious's intervention only, I don't really see why.

Do you really wish your remarks to become a matter of concern here as well as on IGS? I don't see the point myself.

Cosmo



Given that I'm sort of quoted in the original post here, and given that Heartstone missed my point by as much as Invelious missed his, I would have thought that my original remarks held some relevance to the discussion, but of course you're welcome to disagree with me.

For those that haven't been following the IGS thread, here's a summary of what happened:

I stated that the militia and the CVA did not consider the POS sheltering the SF titan in Kamela to be a priority target. I went on to say that the militia did have the independent ability to attack a POS when neccessary.

Jade then claimed that the militia was incapable of initiating an anti-POS operation without CVA support.

I countered with a recent example of the militia initiating an attack on an enemy POS without support from the CVA.

It's at this point that Heartstone says that Jade should have claimed something else and that I was trying to steal the NC's thunder when I'd pointed to the Taff op as an example of the militia initiating a POS assault without CVA support. It's important to remember here that the NC did not get involved until the the second stage of the operation.

I was happy to congratulate the NC for their performance in Taff when they showed up univited to finish off the POS, but maintained that we're not bothered who finally killed it because we set out to see it destroyed and it eventually was.

And that's what prompted Heartstone to make his BoB analogy. I didn't see the connection then, and I don't see the connection now.

There are of course other posts in the linked thread which may have some lesser relevance, so I suggest that anyone with an interest in the background to this CAOD discussion heads over the IGS for a read.




Logic? On my CAOD?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 10:57:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: SquadBroken

That said this is coming from a person who parks their lowsec titan (lol) >1000 meters from a pos. Station hugs kamela w/ carriers, and is roleplaying a brothel owner/member. Glass houses ----- stones.


Well the Titan is great for jump portalling our battleship fleets anywhere in the FW warzone at need (thats obviously what its for in lowsec - where's the lol exactly?) No surprise our carriers spend a lot of time at stations seeing its the only place we typically see 24th Crusade caps these days. And I'm actually roleplaying a revolutionary anti-state anarchist opposed to imperialist authority. I see no "glass houses" so what was your point again?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:05:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/08/2009 11:24:49

Originally by: Rodj Blake

And that's what prompted Heartstone to make his BoB analogy. I didn't see the connection then, and I don't see the connection now.


The connection is that you were claiming credit for the destruction of the Dark Rising POS in Taff which was actually achieved by a huge NC fleet that hotdropped to kick RKK in the teeth. I was watching the whole operation from a cloaked ship and saw the 24th Crusade fleet scuttle out from under the NC hotdrop to escape yourselves (except for one unlucky 24th cap ship that was too slow).

Heartstone's point is that the destruction of BOB as a hostile territorial entity is as much a victory for Star Fraction's roleplayed agenda as as that POS exploding was a victory for the 24th Crusade. IE. Neither pair of events is related.

24th Crusade was absolutely incapable of finishing the job on that Taff POS on its own - I can assure you of that.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:13:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:14:58
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake

And that's what prompted Heartstone to make his BoB analogy. I didn't see the connection then, and I don't see the connection now.


The connection is that you were claiming credit for the destruction of the Dark Rising POS in Taff which was actually achieved by a huge NC fleet that hotdropped to kick RKK in the teeth. I was watching the whole operation from a cloaked ship and saw the 24th Crusade fleet scuttle out from under the NC hotdrop to escape yourselves (except for one unlucky 24th cap ship that was too slow).

Heartstone's point is that the destruction of BOB as an hostile territorial entity is as much a victory for Star Fraction's roleplayed agenda as as that POS exploding was a victory for the 24th Crusade. IE. Neither pair of events is related.

24th Crusade was absolutely incapable of finishing the job on that Taff POS on its own - I can assure you of that.




Heartstone's analogy was fatally flawed because I don't recall the SF ever launching an assault on BoB which was a serious threat to them.

We'll have to agree to disagree about whether or not the militia was capable of finishing off the job. I happen to think that we'd have had a decent chance of it had the NC not shown up when they did. As with my lumberjack story on the IGS, we could debate all day as to whether or not it was the Militia's initial assault on the POS or the NC finishing it off which was the decisive factor, but the fact is that at the end off the day the POS fell.

And you'll note that I did congratulate the NC on their organisational abilities.

But that's all beside the point.

The point is that you claimed that the Amarrian militia was incapable of initiating an attack on a POS - a claim that I demonstrated to be completely wrong.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:21:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/08/2009 11:23:19


Originally by: Rodj Blake

The point is that you claimed that the Amarrian militia was incapable of initiating an attack on a POS - a claim that I demonstrated to be completely wrong.


I actually registered my opinion that the Amarrian militia is currently incapable of attacking the Kamela staging POS. Whats happened in the interim is the CVA have lost a couple of high-value capital ship engagements in lowsec and are far more cautious about such adventures and considerably less likely than they were to back Militia POS attacks in general. Since one of the reasons the 24th Crusade got away with the Taff attack was partially through fear of a CVA counter-drop its entirely reasonable for me to conclude you are now incapable of initiating or carrying through such an attack on your own.

In any case Rodj. Since I was not (nor could ever be portrayed as) claiming that you had never initiated a POS attack, your post above is pointless. I am however saying I believe you are currently incapable of such an attack. This opinion cannot be disapproved by words on a forum. The only way you can prove me wrong is to make such an attack.

SquadBroken
Amarr
Helljumpers
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:25:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
I see no "glass houses" so what was your point again?


That brevity is the soul of wit and that, as such, you are a blathering fool.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:30:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/08/2009 11:23:19


Originally by: Rodj Blake

The point is that you claimed that the Amarrian militia was incapable of initiating an attack on a POS - a claim that I demonstrated to be completely wrong.


I actually registered my opinion that the Amarrian militia is currently incapable of attacking the Kamela staging POS. Whats happened in the interim is the CVA have lost a couple of high-value capital ship engagements in lowsec and are far more cautious about such adventures and considerably less likely than they were to back Militia POS attacks in general. Since one of the reasons the 24th Crusade got away with the Taff attack was partially through fear of a CVA counter-drop its entirely reasonable for me to conclude you are now incapable of initiating or carrying through such an attack on your own.

In any case Rodj. Since I was not (nor could ever be portrayed as) claiming that you had never initiated a POS attack, your post above is pointless. I am however saying I believe you are currently incapable of such an attack. This opinion cannot be disapproved by words on a forum. The only way you can prove me wrong is to make such an attack.



You must have spent a lot of time on the knife sharpener to be able to split hairs so finely Jade.

You say that the CVA could have supported us in Taff, but wouldn't do so now. If that's true, and I don't think it is, then my point about the irrelevancy of the Kamela POS remains.

We could have attacked it instead of the more difficult Taff POS, but we didn't. Why not? Because by attacking Taff we fugured that we could have a bigger impact on things.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:30:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: SquadBroken
That brevity is the soul of wit and that, as such, you are a blathering fool.


You do realize that Polonius is a pompous hypocrite and that quote is ironic right? At least try and understand the quotes you mindlessly reproduce.



Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:35:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake

We could have attacked it instead of the more difficult Taff POS, but we didn't. Why not? Because by attacking Taff we fugured that we could have a bigger impact on things.


+ I'm fairly certain it wasn't actually there at the time Cool

But its pointless discussing such things in the hypothetical. Either you do or you don't. Time will tell from actions in space. This line of discussion began because you tried to claim that a particular POS is not an operational priority for your organization. From your perspective its certainly less damaging for your morale to claim that than admit the truth on a public channel that its beyond your current capabilities so I trust everyone can see why you have to say what you said regardless of the reality behind the words.

I don't think you have the capability to attack the POS in question. I might be wrong. But in order to convince me of that you'll have to attack the POS in question. I'm hardly going to be persuaded by your words on CAOD.


knowonecanknow
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:37:00 - [50]
 

This thread needs to be more about goons.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:47:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:50:58
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:50:23
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake

We could have attacked it instead of the more difficult Taff POS, but we didn't. Why not? Because by attacking Taff we fugured that we could have a bigger impact on things.


+ I'm fairly certain it wasn't actually there at the time Cool


And I'm fairly certain that it was.


Quote:
I don't think you have the capability to attack the POS in question. I might be wrong. But in order to convince me of that you'll have to attack the POS in question. I'm hardly going to be persuaded by your words on CAOD.



My priority is to do what's best for PIE, not to prove you wrong about yet another thing by changing our policies in space.

We dance to our tune, not to your's.

The truth is that we have a list of priorities, and SF is pretty low down on that list. It's always fun to argue with you on the forums though Wink

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 11:49:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: knowonecanknow
This thread needs to be more about goons.


Continue to not attack the POS in Kamela that shelters SF's titan, and it could be!

Shinma Apollo
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2009.08.13 12:12:00 - [53]
 

has anyone else noticed that Jade's posts are actually readible itt?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 12:15:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:50:58
+ I'm fairly certain it wasn't actually there at the time Cool


And I'm fairly certain that it was.


If it had been there I'd have been setting up a hotdrop of 30 Battleships onto your carrier not trying to decide if we could do it with 25 bombers. You need to fire your intel people.


Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.08.13 13:50:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Oh my, what a thread.

Invelious may have completely missed the point that Heartstone was trying to make, but Heartstone's point was, to put it bluntly, badly made.


I think my earlier post indicates I know what was said, and why I said what I said.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:31:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Invelious

I think my earlier post indicates I know what was said, and why I said what I said.


Nah, I'm still not convinced you got the point.

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:40:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious

I think my earlier post indicates I know what was said, and why I said what I said.


Nah, I'm still not convinced you got the point.



How does my dung taste jadder? because you keep pounding it back like its a hot lunch.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:53:00 - [58]
 


Regretting this thread already are you?


Machine Delta
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:57:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Regretting this thread already are you?




We all are.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:59:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/08/2009 16:01:07

Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Regretting this thread already are you?




We all are.


Well give Invelious his due ... he really really really wants to be a goon. Least you could do is recognize him as a wounded "brosef" or something.


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