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Toastin
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:03:00 - [1]
 

Early on today two member of the same corporation attacked two fellow members for no reason other than been jealous or just beening cowardly from what I see. Two of the corporation members, who had resently started playing eve (Just over 1 month ago), had started a little mining op in safe space 0.8, to raise money for insurance for one of the members battleship which he had only built the other day, and which he had just spent mining for most of his game. One of the attacker (who was a member of the same corporation at the time) Ask in corporation chat "Do you need help hauling your minerals.. because he knew they was mining for his insurance for his battleship, and need all the help he can get. So he says "Yes please m8, that would be great!".. soon after the two, so called corporation members turn up,they locked the two mining op members down and start attacking them for no reason. One member loss his battleship which didn't have insurance, that's why he was mining in 0.8 space in the first place, and the other member was killed losing all his implants and ship :(.After this they started shouting abuse in corporation chat at other members.

As a result of this action, and after chatting with the members that was attacked, it's looking like CCP are going to lose another 2 new customers :( and this is also not the first time I've heard of this happening. I just hope the game don't die off, because this kind of behavior is aloud to continue. If it continues anybody joining the game who is new to eve will not have a chance of ever progressing further :(

The two people in question are "Djens" and "Maestro Feyd" So it's not to wise to recruit them, they more likely to kill fellow members of your corporation than help them, but they are more likely to be a pair of cowards hiding behind there alt's characters :(.

Just letting you lads know out there in the community!... Bye Toastin

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:11:00 - [2]
 

It is a stupid idea to use an uninsured battleship anywhere but I guess a new player can't be blamed for that mistake as long as he doesn't make it again Wink.

Try and get some isk together and get a merc. contract out on those two?

Dianabolic
Reikoku
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:14:00 - [3]
 

Who perpetrated the crime and who were the victims?

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:16:00 - [4]
 

"Djens" and "Maestro Feyd" were the bad guys, Dianabolic.

Members of Goodfellas [GDE] for less than a day.

Gunstar Zero
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:19:00 - [5]
 

well that's kinda low - return the favour I say.

Sulana
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:40:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Toastin
Two of the corporation members, who had resently started playing eve (Just over 1 month ago), had started a little mining op in safe space 0.8, to raise money for insurance for one of the members battleship which he had only built the other day, and which he had just spent mining for most of his game.


Noobs in battleships - there'll be tears before bedtime... Rolling Eyes

Isolo
Posted - 2004.10.04 21:57:00 - [7]
 

I know this is beside the point, but I have to ask. How in the hell does someone get a BS in a month of playing time?

I would love that secret, and if your trying to raise money for BS insurance what rock are you finding in .8 space that will aid you in that goal?

Thanks,

Isolo (realized by reading this post, he could be playing all wrong)

t00r
Posted - 2004.10.04 22:00:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: t00r on 04/10/2004 22:05:08
well, i've been in eve quite some time, i've head some stories and this equates to one of the lowest i've heard. I've read the thread replies and i cant see how your saying what your saying. When i got my 1st bs i used it to mine in secure space to earn the money to insure it, im sure thats what EVERYONE does, i mean, why if u have a bs would u mine in a frigate for the insurance, and you wouldnt expect your corp mates who offered help to be attacking/killing you, and i dont find it a stupid idea to mine in secure space with your corp mates josh, i guess thats what makes us different.

EDIT: The only good advice/reply is that of Gunstar.

Rivek
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.10.04 22:01:00 - [9]
 

It was quite uncool of these two to kill the newbies in their own corp?? but I have to say that it is extreemely unwise to put all your eggs in one basket, regardless of the size of said basket. Take it as a learning experience, and form a stronger corp bond by helping these two recover.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2004.10.04 22:27:00 - [10]
 

Take their names for later and then get them and their friends back.

Kel Shek
Posted - 2004.10.04 22:47:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Kel Shek on 04/10/2004 22:50:41
as they said... being in a BS after only a month is asking for trouble.

while this might come across harsh and judgemental....

what the hell is wrong with the higher ups in a corp that would allow that?

no no... let me rephrase that,

what the hell is wrong with the corps and leaders of a corp who noe only allow that, but encourage it by GIVING n00bs a BS? I talked to someone a week or two ago who had less than 1M sp, who had been given a BS by his corp, (though I think it was corp insured, whatever... ) as soon as he had the piloting prereq's. not only that, he was considering training a SECOND RACE's BS so he could fly another of the corp's general use BS's.

WTF?

now maybe I'm spoiled by coming from(and possibly going back to/sharing gametime with) A Tale in the Desert's very cooperative style, but IMO, its terrible to let, let alone encourage a n00b to do something so ... wrongly. someone a month into the game should be flying a cruiser, and learning to fly it better, learning how to fight with it, learning how to load it out, ect. training skills in order to do his better.

I didn't get in a BS til I had over 2.5M SP, and I STILL felt like I wasn't really ready to be flying it. (a bit over 4M sp now)

edit: btw, Scord in high sec can make ~2M an hour in a BS, so after like... ya know, 10-30 hours of mining scord, they could have insurance. and considering from the sound of it, allthey had done in the game up to that point, is mined their brains out to get in the BS, this wouldn't be a change of pace. Such a BS-Fasttrack method is asking for burnout, let down and quitting the game.

people, teach your noobs to play the game right!

MysticNZ
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.10.04 22:54:00 - [12]
 

Im sorry, but those guys are idiots.

You don't fly a bs after a month of playing. He deserved to die.

MysticNZ
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.10.04 22:58:00 - [13]
 

I have 1m skill points, I fly a heavy crusier. I don't have anywhere near enough skills to pilot a bs with good guns/modules.

There is no quick way around EVE. Tell the n00bs to stay with their frigs/crusiers till they HAVE THE SKILLS to fly a bs and protect themselves.

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:01:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: TheMiner on 04/10/2004 23:09:24
Edited by: TheMiner on 04/10/2004 23:08:53
Originally by: Isolo
I know this is beside the point, but I have to ask. How in the hell does someone get a BS in a month of playing time?

I would love that secret, and if your trying to raise money for BS insurance what rock are you finding in .8 space that will aid you in that goal?



Uhhm... You can have BS within a week or so of starting EVE..even if you are playing it for the first time ever. When I was 10 days old I had 200 million isk. I could have had BS skills by then (if I chose to) but, being an intelligent person, chose to focus on more basic skills. Eventhough I have the money for several BSes now, I choose not to get the skill because there is no reason to use one yet. And using one right now would be foolhardy because I feel I do not have the skills to supplment/support it.

but my point. you can EASILY have a BS within just a week+ of starting EVE.

Cleopatera
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:12:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: MysticNZ
Im sorry, but those guys are idiots.

You don't fly a bs after a month of playing. He deserved to die.


what? Does everyone assume that they wanted to use BS's for combat?? For these guys they were obviously going to be used as money makers for perhaps buying smaller ships, implants, whatever and evolving in the game a little quicker than they would without a battleship to mine in??
I know if i were in 0.8 in a bs and a corp m8 asked if i needed help with anything i wouldnt worry about whether or not he would try to bloody kill me or not. you just dont expect that really and it is very low of the attackers to do that. I hope they get what they deserve.

All you guys saying the miner shouldnt have been in a bs, perhaps, IF he were PVPing or NPCing in low sec space, but he wasn't. So you guys can stfu Smile

How hard is it really? i mean NOT to blame the victim in such a situation??Confused

TheMiner
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:24:00 - [16]
 

I agree with cleopatra. Not only because shes right but also becasue she is prolly hot irl.

Who would expect 2 corp members to randomly just attack in .8 space for no reason? What did they even gain from it? The BS was being used for mining.

I mean sure... that showed a lack of player skill that he actually let himself be destroyed..and that he (lol?) got podded too... but that has nothing to do with whether or not it was foolish to mine with a BS in .8 space.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:26:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: "Kel Shek"
I talked to someone a week or two ago who had less than 1M sp, who had been given a BS by his corp, (though I think it was corp insured, whatever... ) as soon as he had the piloting prereq's.


It makes sense because it will maximise the profit your newbie makes from mining. That way he can powermine Kernite and/or other good highsec ore for a week (depending on how much he plays) to pay back the price of the ship so that it actually becomes his.
Then you can advise him to do agent missions in the cruiser which one of your PE-guys built for him from the minerals he mined with the apoc. They will keep him entertained while he keeps training them skills.
As soon as he has skill to fit hardeners and other defensive stuff you can escort him to a good .0 system. There he can mine Ark or whatever while you keep the NPCs off his back. That will get him a nice shiny wallet so he can buy all the equip, skills and implants he needs to get better faster.

You should of course insure the ship from the corpwallet. Letting a battleship undock without insurance is pretty stupid Smile

Kel Shek
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:29:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Kel Shek on 04/10/2004 23:36:04
no. a BS should NOT be flown, FOR ANYTHING, by someone with that few SP.

it promotes a very BAD way of thinking and approaching the game, and it would inevitably lead to the person being unhappy with the game and burning out and/or leaving.

I wouldn't be suprised if with my 4M SP, in a thorax, I could outmine one of these 1M-sp people in a BS. 5 miner 2's and 8 harves already mines almost as fast as a BS, if you lack the higher mining skills... and high drone skills, it simply will NOT be any more efficient to mine in a BS than it would in a crusier. at least sure as hell not worth the 10x value your putting on the line.

sure, its a fault of whoevers recruiting for getting bad people into the corp.

but I say the whole corp leadership in this case is buggered to one degree or another letting n00bs into BS's, and letting people who'd do that in the corp. some people just play this game very wrongly.

edit:
MaiLina, no. I can't disagree more. in the long run its harmful to do that. they are NOT ready to fly it for anything, and they should not be. doing that teaches them too much of the wrong things. SO much of this game depends on how you load out your ship, and how you as a character are skilled out. if you don't have the skills, knowlege or whatever to load it, you'll lose.

a person needs to learn how to fly cruisers well, then how to fly BS's, jumping straight to a BS is just asking for problems. and its harmful for them as well, both in their mindset of how they play, and in their long term enjoyment of the game.

Toastin
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:30:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Toastin on 05/10/2004 00:19:16
Originally by: Cleopatera
Originally by: MysticNZ
Im sorry, but those guys are idiots.

You don't fly a bs after a month of playing. He deserved to die.


what? Does everyone assume that they wanted to use BS's for combat?? For these guys they were obviously going to be used as money makers for perhaps buying smaller ships, implants, whatever and evolving in the game a little quicker than they would without a battleship to mine in??
I know if i were in 0.8 in a bs and a corp m8 asked if i needed help with anything i wouldnt worry about whether or not he would try to bloody kill me or not. you just dont expect that really and it is very low of the attackers to do that. I hope they get what they deserve.

All you guys saying the miner shouldnt have been in a bs, perhaps, IF he were PVPing or NPCing in low sec space, but he wasn't. So you guys can stfu Smile

How hard is it really? i mean NOT to blame the victim in such a situation??Confused


Thank You Cleopatera, I was going to say somthing like this in my reply, you understand my post m8 Very Happy, Thank you again. No need to reply to any of the other posts here now...you've done this for me Very Happy

t00r
Posted - 2004.10.04 23:44:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: TheMiner
I agree with cleopatra. Not only because shes right but also becasue she is prolly hot irl.

She's prolly a hairy bottomed brick layer irl too :P

Ppl saying others are playing the game wrong, i dont see how this can be, everyone is different, with different ways, methods, views etc of how they want to play it. This is just your opinion, well.. its my opinion that you are playing the game wrong waiting too long before you can earn good money, imo.. the quicker you can earn good money the faster you can progress. But, again... thats just my opinion. I'm not judging anyone by calling them noobs or idiots or anything like some are, and ive also noticed that the ones doing the name calling are fresh < 3 monthers and the ones giveing decent advice are experienced players. So... who's playing it wrong? Question

DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
Posted - 2004.10.05 00:26:00 - [21]
 

Quote:
Im sorry, but those guys are idiots.

You don't fly a bs after a month of playing. He deserved to die.



You are an *******, plain and simple...

Who made you GOD?

Dumbass...

Rufus Cross
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.10.05 00:49:00 - [22]
 

One: Never trust anyone you've recruited not to screw ye over
Two: Never fly an uninsured BS
Three: If you don't have the skills/experience to fit a BS for damage and/or escape (yes! even if yer mining) you deserve to lose it.
Put it down to a lesson learned and don't do it again.

However, even though I'm a rat myself, those two sound like real arses for attacking their own corp members


Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2004.10.05 01:08:00 - [23]
 

I support the use of in corp killings as they serve a few particularly interesting purposes but I think this particular act (unless it was a revenge killing) was just plain ****headedness committed by jealous or callous ****heads.

Hunt them down and kill them though I suspect they'll just go hide like babies in a newbie corp.

Infinity

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.10.05 01:30:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 05/10/2004 01:32:51
Originally by: "Kel Shek"
MaiLina, no. I can't disagree more. in the long run its harmful to do that. they are NOT ready to fly it for anything, and they should not be. doing that teaches them too much of the wrong things.


Well it wasn't harmful for my members Kel. We had the choice: Either give em a battleship so they can mine faster and spend less time doing the most boring activity this game has to offer, or let em rot in cruisers so they have to mine less effective than they could be in an Apoc with 8 Miner 2's on it.
They WERE ready to fly a battleship-miner. You might think they weren't but well... their fitting screens and mining yields told a different story.

Mining barges aren't available yet, so if it takes an Apoc plus insurance to help my members get on their feet faster then that's what they will get.
It's not like we're giving them the ships for free. They have to mine to pay back a large part of the price of the ship. It's a loan so to speak, one that helps them make some extra cash for whatever they need. We as a corp get another efficient miner in return, which helps us maintaining our offices and production.

Originally by: "Kel Shek"
but I say the whole corp leadership in this case is buggered to one degree or another letting n00bs into BS's, and letting people who'd do that in the corp.


I'd rather say you are a bad leader because apparently you would refuse to help your members just because you, the almighty Kel, think they shouldn't fly battleships because... well... they shouldn't.

Originally by: "Kel Shek"
some people just play this game very wrongly.


And some people just play. They don't try judging other people's playstyle.

Kel Shek
Posted - 2004.10.05 02:27:00 - [25]
 

in general the idea that however you play is fine, is... well fine. and true, but kinda like if you made a socialist's version of monopoly,... (however you'd do that) it would be playing it "wrong".

being in a BS in a month is WRONG. just as giving a ferrari to a 16 year old who just got his drivers liscense is WRONG. even if hes only going to drive it down the street at 5 mph to his minimum wage job.

Quote:
Well it wasn't harmful for my members Kel. We had the choice: Either give em a battleship so they can mine faster and spend less time doing the most boring activity this game has to offer, or let em rot in cruisers so they have to mine less effective than they could be in an Apoc with 8 Miner 2's on it.
think big picture for a moment, giving them a BS that early, and telling them to go mine til its paid off, is almost TRYING to make them burn out, not to mention when they HAVE paid it off, (at which time they will MAYBE have the skills to mine with it, and almost certainly NOT fight with it, let alone the player skill, since all they've done is mine their whole life in game) they will likely go off, figuring that they have been flying it for a month, so they must be ready to fight with it, loaded out badly, and get it blown up. unless you like mining alot more than me... well if I mined constantly for a month and a half or two in a BS that was given to me, and then I get it blown up when I try to go fight with it, I'd quit. I'd be ****ed off at my "leaders" for not helping me be READY to use it fully, and I'd be ****ed off at the game for wasting my time.

Quote:
We as a corp get another efficient miner in return, which helps us maintaining our offices and production.
yes, you get an endentured mining slave for 2 months until they burn out. how nice of you.

doing that should count as greifing. and I'm not a CEO, but I am the one who builds most things for the corp, and if someon a month in wanted me to build a BS for him, I'd say no, and I'd encourage him to ENJOY THE GAME rather than being obsessive about using only the most extreme thing for whatever.

I would think that having a corp member that is (as a player and as a character) well skilled, relatively self sufficient (ie: not a leech on the corp, from being taught thats how the system works) who will be playing for a long time, rather than burning out in a month and a half unfulfilled would be worth far more than having a indebted mining slave for 2 months.

people whine about how small this game's population is, (though its active on one server count is extremely high) overall, yet people happily do things that wil almost certainly scare away prospective long term players, FAR FAR more than a steep learning curve, or anything CCP does. encouraging burnout, ore stealing, scamming... doing these things against experienced players is one thing. but preying on new people...

if someone wants a BS, they should earn it. they should mine for the minerals to build it/have it built, or mine to have the cash to buy it.

people forget this is a game, and its possible to have fun, without having all the newest most extreme stuff. its really quite funny, so many people find no problem with giving a month old char a BS to mine in, (which at that skill level will be very marginally better than a properly skilled miner in a thorax) yet have no problem with 10% or less profit margin on selling BS's or other things.

yeah i'm ranting and rambling a bit here, one of the most important things in any social game, is having good corp/guild mates that will play along side you for a long time. boosting a n00b up to where they have the high end equipment removes a huge amount of the goals from the game... ugh.

why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a brick wall here?

t00r
Posted - 2004.10.05 02:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kel Shek
if someone wants a BS, they should earn it. they should mine for the minerals to build it/have it built, or mine to have the cash to buy it.

I guess you read the thread but didnt actually comprehend it.
*WHOOSH* ( thats the sound of it all going over your head )

Originally by: Kel Shek
why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a brick wall here?

IC: why? because your a ****ing muppet & a disgrace to gallente, now press the cancel button.
OOC: You should really read the thread dude.

Koris
Posted - 2004.10.05 02:53:00 - [27]
 

Some of you people need to drop the ego period. Who cares what you think of a noob flying a bs after 1 month SO WHAT! Just because your experience was different that doesn't make it the "right way". Kel sure you might be able to outmine a 1m sp player if they are in a battleship, but why would they step down from that to be able to mine LESS than using a bs, so you can say "I can mine triple or double what you can" ??? The fact is corpmates who seriously attack other corpmates for whatever reason are stupid. Yet you blame the victimShocked the issue isn't that they were flying a bs at all. Maybe when the new mining vessels are put in my view on this will change but until then you guys need to chill out.

Kel Shek
Posted - 2004.10.05 03:05:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Kel Shek on 05/10/2004 03:07:14
I thought I had implied this detail of that.

they should earn it BEFORE they fly it.

not after.

working UP TO it, gives them experience and a feeling of accomplishment that they earned it, rather than were given it, then worked off a debt.

I much rather mine for a month and then say "wow, I finally have my BS!" than "wow, I finally don't owe a huge debt to my corp" one is alot more *FUN* and enjoyable.

in general its a VERY bad thing to get yourself in debt in a game, because it makes the game into work.

I want to log in and be able to do what I want, and if my setting aside my mining towards my next ship puts it off a day... so what? rather than having my CEO essentially slap me and go "Wheres my money b***?" (if I don't mine the quota for that day's payment, or whatever)

but maybe I'm just funny like that...

why step down from a BS to mine in a crusier, when your skills make the difference in productivity negligible? well if you got blown up like in this circumstance, it would be far less catostrophic to lose a cruiser. and losing a cruiser like that, would set the progress for "owning" the BS back alot less than the difference in mining efficiency.


MysticNZ
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.10.05 03:10:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Cleopatera
Originally by: MysticNZ
Im sorry, but those guys are idiots.

You don't fly a bs after a month of playing. He deserved to die.


what? Does everyone assume that they wanted to use BS's for combat?? For these guys they were obviously going to be used as money makers for perhaps buying smaller ships, implants, whatever and evolving in the game a little quicker than they would without a battleship to mine in??
I know if i were in 0.8 in a bs and a corp m8 asked if i needed help with anything i wouldnt worry about whether or not he would try to bloody kill me or not. you just dont expect that really and it is very low of the attackers to do that. I hope they get what they deserve.

All you guys saying the miner shouldnt have been in a bs, perhaps, IF he were PVPing or NPCing in low sec space, but he wasn't. So you guys can stfu Smile

How hard is it really? i mean NOT to blame the victim in such a situation??Confused


Don't you see?

If they can't defend themselves in a BS, they should not fly it, end of story. I don't care if there in 1.0 space. They still should of had protection of some kind.

Mech
Posted - 2004.10.05 03:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kel Shek
in general the idea that however you play is fine, is... well fine. and true, but kinda like if you made a socialist's version of monopoly,... (however you'd do that) it would be playing it "wrong".

being in a BS in a month is WRONG. just as giving a ferrari to a 16 year old who just got his drivers liscense is WRONG. even if hes only going to drive it down the street at 5 mph to his minimum wage job.

Quote:
Well it wasn't harmful for my members Kel. We had the choice: Either give em a battleship so they can mine faster and spend less time doing the most boring activity this game has to offer, or let em rot in cruisers so they have to mine less effective than they could be in an Apoc with 8 Miner 2's on it.
think big picture for a moment, giving them a BS that early, and telling them to go mine til its paid off, is almost TRYING to make them burn out, not to mention when they HAVE paid it off, (at which time they will MAYBE have the skills to mine with it, and almost certainly NOT fight with it, let alone the player skill, since all they've done is mine their whole life in game) they will likely go off, figuring that they have been flying it for a month, so they must be ready to fight with it, loaded out badly, and get it blown up. unless you like mining alot more than me... well if I mined constantly for a month and a half or two in a BS that was given to me, and then I get it blown up when I try to go fight with it, I'd quit. I'd be ****ed off at my "leaders" for not helping me be READY to use it fully, and I'd be ****ed off at the game for wasting my time.

Quote:
We as a corp get another efficient miner in return, which helps us maintaining our offices and production.
yes, you get an endentured mining slave for 2 months until they burn out. how nice of you.

doing that should count as greifing. and I'm not a CEO, but I am the one who builds most things for the corp, and if someon a month in wanted me to build a BS for him, I'd say no, and I'd encourage him to ENJOY THE GAME rather than being obsessive about using only the most extreme thing for whatever.

I would think that having a corp member that is (as a player and as a character) well skilled, relatively self sufficient (ie: not a leech on the corp, from being taught thats how the system works) who will be playing for a long time, rather than burning out in a month and a half unfulfilled would be worth far more than having a indebted mining slave for 2 months.

people whine about how small this game's population is, (though its active on one server count is extremely high) overall, yet people happily do things that wil almost certainly scare away prospective long term players, FAR FAR more than a steep learning curve, or anything CCP does. encouraging burnout, ore stealing, scamming... doing these things against experienced players is one thing. but preying on new people...

if someone wants a BS, they should earn it. they should mine for the minerals to build it/have it built, or mine to have the cash to buy it.

people forget this is a game, and its possible to have fun, without having all the newest most extreme stuff. its really quite funny, so many people find no problem with giving a month old char a BS to mine in, (which at that skill level will be very marginally better than a properly skilled miner in a thorax) yet have no problem with 10% or less profit margin on selling BS's or other things.

yeah i'm ranting and rambling a bit here, one of the most important things in any social game, is having good corp/guild mates that will play along side you for a long time. boosting a n00b up to where they have the high end equipment removes a huge amount of the goals from the game... ugh.

why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a brick wall here?


I don't know about a brick wall.... But wtf are you going on about you idiot.... Can you read ok? You seem to be having a real problem with understanding whats happend here!

1, He mine his own ship, with the help of a friend in his corporation that don't sound like being give anything too me.
2, He was using the ship as a mining ship in 0.8 space, and the first thing he start to mine was money for Insurance by the sounds of it.
3, You don't expect two of his own corporation members to offer him help to finsh off getting your Insurance and then blow up your ship.

So you wouldn't mind if sombody join's your corporation in the future and pod's you when you most vulnerable....hmmmm

Oh..5, Kel Shek, You realy don't have a clue do you, you fool. I'll be seeing you soon n00b. Can't stand people like you.


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