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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:56:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:58:12
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:57:18
My Zealot with which I got 331+ kills without a loss is stuck ina station in 9-9 for a year or two.

It can never ever be contracted because it fitted a crystal. The issue here is the ability to remove crystals and place them in your hanger remotely. Before someone says "Ha! Impossible" please remember what happens when you try to contract a ship with faction missles. Yep thats right - the contract system will unload the missiles from the weapon, thus solving the issue.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.07.31 22:01:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:58:12
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:57:18
My Zealot with which I got 331+ kills without a loss is stuck ina station in 9-9 for a year or two.

It can never ever be contracted because it fitted a crystal. The issue here is the ability to remove crystals and place them in your hanger remotely. Before someone says "Ha! Impossible" please remember what happens when you try to contract a ship with faction missles. Yep thats right - the contract system will unload the missiles from the weapon, thus solving the issue.


In short, god hate the amarr.

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.07.31 22:03:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus


In short, god hate the amarr.


Somebody call me? LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Gibmundur
Amarr
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2009.07.31 22:06:00 - [64]
 

Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.07.31 22:08:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Gibmundur
Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.


How about we give the amarr ships a launcher slot where they can launch used crystals like clay pigeon missile decoys much like defenders? Cool

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.07.31 22:09:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Gibmundur
Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.


CCP wants consumption of crystals so people will keep producing them. nothing wrong with that.

Just let people who contract to dispose of them or dump them in hanger. Its not a big problem or issue at all.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.07.31 22:47:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Originally by: Gibmundur
Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.


CCP wants consumption of crystals so people will keep producing them. nothing wrong with that.

Just let people who contract to dispose of them or dump them in hanger. Its not a big problem or issue at all.


Oh jesus mary jacob and joseph please go away. We do not need a Re-Run of the Jonny JoJo crap that we went through a while back. That is one part of my memory of these forums i would rather forget sooner than remember.

Mell Prime
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:02:00 - [68]
 

Wow, Devs got told in this tread.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:02:00 - [69]
 

why dont you just let us 'repair' the crystals then? of course do it at a far higher price than a usual brand new one.

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:08:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Originally by: Gibmundur
Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.


CCP wants consumption of crystals so people will keep producing them. nothing wrong with that.

Just let people who contract to dispose of them or dump them in hanger. Its not a big problem or issue at all.


Oh jesus mary jacob and joseph please go away. We do not need a Re-Run of the Jonny JoJo crap that we went through a while back. That is one part of my memory of these forums i would rather forget sooner than remember.


JoJo got amarr fixed. Before Amarr were tottally useless. Now Amarr is decent.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:14:00 - [71]
 

No, he didn't. The community as a whole along with CCP Got Amarr "Fixed". Jonny just spammed and insulted as many people as he could in the same sentence, taking other peoples idea's and thrashing them in their threads and then touting them as gospel in his own. He got his signature locked for insulting CCP and so he changed to a new character claiming to be a completely different person using the Same Old Signature that you now have.

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:17:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
No, he didn't. The community as a whole along with CCP Got Amarr "Fixed". Jonny just spammed and insulted as many people as he could in the same sentence, taking other peoples idea's and thrashing them in their threads and then touting them as gospel in his own. He got his signature locked for insulting CCP and so he changed to a new character claiming to be a completely different person using the Same Old Signature that you now have.


Nope. JoJo got Amarr fixed because he highlighted the fact Amarr was obsolete. The Devs then relised this and fixed the worst parts of Amarr. Remember that for 2 years, nothing was going to happen with amarr, and even the devs could not find anything wrong with Amarr till JoJo highlighted the key issues.

A lot of people got bittler, but thats life lol :)

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:17:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.


It is intended for the old escrow system to be better than the 'new' Contract system ?

You guys either are playing stupid or are stupid ... take your pick.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:22:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.


It is intended for the old escrow system to be better than the 'new' Contract system ?

You guys either are playing stupid or are stupid ... take your pick.
I'd take the old Escrow system over this new Contract system anyway. I miss Escrow.

Nas Daq
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:24:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.


Shocked kind sir, when was the last time you saw jita local/contracts?

/signed...refine the contract system so damaged items may be removed

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2009.07.31 23:24:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.


It is intended for the old escrow system to be better than the 'new' Contract system ?

You guys either are playing stupid or are stupid ... take your pick.

I'd take the old Escrow system over this new Contract system anyway. I miss Escrow.


Most of eve would take it. :(

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.08.01 01:17:00 - [77]
 

Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.08.01 01:30:00 - [78]
 

To re-iterate, all we are asking for is some ability for damage crystals to be removed from a contract and dumped in your hanger. This lets us contract that amarr lasership that made the mistake of fitting a navy crystal even though they never fired a single shot with it. The Crystal is undamaged but the game thinks it is for some unknown reason.

Or perhaps I need to make more CCP sigs first........ LaughingLaughing


Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.08.01 01:32:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 01/08/2009 01:33:53
Originally by: Blane Xero
He got his signature locked for insulting CCP and so he changed to a new character claiming to be a completely different person using the Same Old Signature that you now have.


The signatures that were locked were the ones using the Gantanamo Bay and West bank pictures in a Eve Contex. I have since removed them so its a non issue. I never claimed to be a new person, quite teh reverse since the JoJo Family lives on. Perhaps you assume too much?

Hairygoagain
Posted - 2009.08.01 02:48:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.


And if the used crystals are in your cargo hold, the place that every other type of ammo is allowed to be when you contract a ship........

The problem is that crystals can't be contracted, because they are used/broken AND crystals can't be repaired. One of these needs to be changed....

Kryss'tal
Posted - 2009.08.01 02:55:00 - [81]
 

I'm broken?!? Sad

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.08.01 03:03:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Hairygoagain
Originally by: Zeba
Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.


And if the used crystals are in your cargo hold, the place that every other type of ammo is allowed to be when you contract a ship........

The problem is that crystals can't be contracted, because they are used/broken AND crystals can't be repaired. One of these needs to be changed....
Well the whole point of using the workaround is to be able to contract your laser ship at any time. So why would you have put them in the cargohold? I'm not saying that some other solution doesn't need to be made but atm until a solution is made then that is your best bet to not get caught out 50 jumps away with a bs you want to contract is loaded with used crystals.

Lucas Avidius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.01 06:14:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.


Not allowing damaged items to be entered into the contract system is quite honestly one of the dumbest and short sighted game design decisions ever. Stuff takes damage all the time. Overheat a gun or a web or an armor repper or a hardener in combat, and it or any of the other items in its rack can get damaged and the player might not see it. Dock up in station, switch to a different ship and go out and dock somewhere else and suddenly you have no access to that asset because it has damage that you cant do anything about remotely. To compound the fun, maybe you didnt even notice it was damaged until your alliance lost the station its in. Hey, its a fully fitted whatevermobile. I cant get at it any more, but I could sell it to one of my enemies via contract and make a tidy profit, right? *Pthhhhhbt* No deal, somethings got DAMAGE that would take maybe a few k of isk to repair in an empire station, its soooo important that we protect people from damaged items!

Man up, show the damage, if its on an unrepairable item, highlight it in red or something and note "unrepairable" next to the hit point counter. Let the buyer beware. This is EVE, if they don't read the fine print they deserve a crystal that blows up after one shot.

Who the heck buys just crystals on contracts anyway?

Areah Mar'khet
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.08.01 07:45:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.

Yeah, it's so obvious, every time someone docks a ship with used crystals they should just use their magic crystal ball to see if they're going to need to contract it a year later. That's what I do and it totally works.

Hoody
Posted - 2009.08.01 07:54:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.


Isn't scamming part of the game though? or is that going to be hit with the nerf bat as well?

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2009.08.01 08:05:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Cheap Dude on 01/08/2009 08:05:49
I had 2 hulks stuck in an enemy station.. I could not trade them to another char to fly them out because of used mining crystals.. The only option I had was to repackage the 2 hulks and with that loosing 2x CCC and 2 Cargorigs Evil or Very Mad.. and only because it has fitted broken crystals..

But to fix the annoying part... give the option to strip/repair the broken stuff remotely.. OR just put in the the text "this contract has broken items" in the contract Rolling Eyes

edit: I almost quit EVE because I could not contract the hulks to another alt.. it really ****ed me off!!! Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.08.01 08:38:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Areah Mar'khet
Originally by: Zeba
Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.

Yeah, it's so obvious, every time someone docks a ship with used crystals they should just use their magic crystal ball to see if they're going to need to contract it a year later. That's what I do and it totally works.
The point is if you have a laser ship and know you are probably going to be away from said ship then take off the crystals. 12 seconds of :effort: later any future contracting problems are now solved.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2009.08.01 08:51:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.

If the damage (if any) is clearly labeled on the contract item list (maybe in the first column), then it's a open-and-shut case of "caveat emptor", and not your responsability anymore.
Besides, since when did you start hand-holding people ?
It's not like you refuse labeling the contract containing 1 unit of Carbon as "Charon, extra cheap, 600 mil ISK"...



Currently, the item list in each contract only has 2 columns - item type & quantity. The query from which the contract is generated only needs to look at 2 tables- global typeID-related stuff, and the contents of the source hangar for the quantities. As the database is fully normalised, I suspect that the information about crystal damage is held in a separate table, very much like the runs field that distinguishes BPCs from BPOs. As such, it's difficult to see how CCP could add it to contracts without significantly increasing the load on the database.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.08.01 08:57:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.

If the damage (if any) is clearly labeled on the contract item list (maybe in the first column), then it's a open-and-shut case of "caveat emptor", and not your responsability anymore.
Besides, since when did you start hand-holding people ?
It's not like you refuse labeling the contract containing 1 unit of Carbon as "Charon, extra cheap, 600 mil ISK"...



Currently, the item list in each contract only has 2 columns - item type & quantity. The query from which the contract is generated only needs to look at 2 tables- global typeID-related stuff, and the contents of the source hangar for the quantities. As the database is fully normalised, I suspect that the information about crystal damage is held in a separate table, very much like the runs field that distinguishes BPCs from BPOs. As such, it's difficult to see how CCP could add it to contracts without significantly increasing the load on the database.
And in order to achive greater levels of stable fleet pew pew everything that is not 100% needed is not added. I'm going to assume ccp feels that the number of agitated damaged crystal owners is less than critcal mass in the greater scheme of things. ugh

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.08.01 08:59:00 - [90]
 

Isn't the same issue with drones in a drone bay ?


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