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wickedpheonix
Caldari
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
Posted - 2009.07.31 17:35:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Not just crystals, any damaged object. Or add some sort of remote repair feature. Beats flying an inordinate amount of jumps to repair 500isk of damage.


QFT

Also would like to be able to contract a crystal that has only been damaged 1% in my hangar to my mining alt in same station so I don't have to make 100 jumps round trip. If CCP doesn't want to change the contract system for fear of what it does for PVP sales contracts then allow me to register a character as an alt of mine and allow remote trading between alts (preferable even if they DO do something about the contract system, since I don't need a broker - not like my own alt is going to rip me off LOL).

Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
Posted - 2009.07.31 17:37:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Siona Windweaver
At least you guys don't have to deal with ammo's Wink

I'll agree on the ability to destroy them via assets window though.

I wanna be able to reload my projectile ammo shells with broken crystal shards. T2 buckshot!

Professor Slocombe
Posted - 2009.07.31 17:46:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.


Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2009.07.31 17:57:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.

lolzrelgions
Posted - 2009.07.31 18:00:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.



Just wow....do you not understand the problems it causes to ppl who use crystals? If i want to send my Maelstrom to my friend i contract it over. If i want to send him my apoc i can't because it has broken crystals. Just have the crystals display thier damage level and let us make the contracts.

Sorry we don't all have magical transfer powers or the ability to just put items in other ppls hangers with voodoo

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.07.31 18:05:00 - [36]
 

Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.

...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.

fmercury
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.07.31 18:06:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.


So let them see how damaged it is in the contract? Or do you not trust people to think for themselves?

Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
Posted - 2009.07.31 18:48:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: fmercury
So let them see how damaged it is in the contract? Or do you not trust people to think for themselves?


CCP Just changed contracts so that they show how many million you're setting contracts to because it was so easy to scam people. You really think a 3 digit number (0.00) is going to stop scammers? It just gives them one more tool to spam into every major trade hub's local chat.

Meridius Dex
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2009.07.31 19:16:00 - [39]
 

It's not the contract system that's the problem; the dev response here is correct.

The problem is the inability to either repair or individually reprocess damaged crystals.

Oarta
Posted - 2009.07.31 19:48:00 - [40]
 

I can see how it would be a pain to deal with crystals from a remote location. But it would apply to any remote damaged item.

Repairing crystals, given how hard/long they actually take to destroy should be an option. They are a consumable item and should be consumed.

Reprocessing isn't viable either considering there is a fixed returned based on an item at 100% repair.

As for contracts, while it might be possible, I really don't want to have to go to yet another level of examination of goods to ensure they are all intact.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.07.31 19:51:00 - [41]
 

Problem: Amarr Faction/T2 ammo cannot be contracted after any use. Compared to "normal" t2 ammo which can be contracted since each shot is an individual unit of ammo.

Solution: Change the ammo "Damage" to "shots remaining" and list this in contracts.

Isayo Arkindra
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.07.31 19:55:00 - [42]
 

CCP: Why not just add .. "Hey - it looks like your crystals are damaged. We'll drop those on your hangar floor when you're setting up this contract" upon contract creation?

Easy fix, no scamming possible and it enables us to contract laser based ships.

Cors
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.31 19:56:00 - [43]
 

how about crystals that are brand new, were put on a ship, then taken off. You can't contract those. You can't even stack the damned things. And each of them is 100%.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.07.31 19:59:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.

If the damage (if any) is clearly labeled on the contract item list (maybe in the first column), then it's a open-and-shut case of "caveat emptor", and not your responsability anymore.
Besides, since when did you start hand-holding people ?
It's not like you refuse labeling the contract containing 1 unit of Carbon as "Charon, extra cheap, 600 mil ISK"...

Oarta
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:06:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Cors
how about crystals that are brand new, were put on a ship, then taken off. You can't contract those. You can't even stack the damned things. And each of them is 100%.


Just tested what you explained and didn't have any issues. Was able to contract them and market them after putting them on a ship. (Just tested S Crystals on a frigate)

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:07:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Oarta
Originally by: Cors
how about crystals that are brand new, were put on a ship, then taken off. You can't contract those. You can't even stack the damned things. And each of them is 100%.


Just tested what you explained and didn't have any issues. Was able to contract them and market them after putting them on a ship. (Just tested S Crystals on a frigate)
Was it a T2/Faction crystal?

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:16:00 - [47]
 

It's pretty sad when CCP wont change a stupid "feature" because it "might benefit scammers".

This is eve I'm playing, not Hello Kitty. Man up and change it.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:36:00 - [48]
 

pros and cons to all weapon systems, you get to switch between crystals in 2 seconds, you can't contract 'em.

sucks

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:43:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
It's pretty sad when CCP wont change a stupid "feature" because it "might benefit scammers".

This is eve I'm playing, not Hello Kitty. Man up and change it.


no, it isnt. used/damaged goods dont have anything on the market to do! When i buy something, i buy it because it should be new! I don just want to wonder that the 10 mining crystals I just bought might only hold one cycle or not!

regarding the hello kitty comment.. This its bull****! yes, its a hardcore game, but its not neccesary doing stupid things either, that only favor the scammers!

Want to give the used items to your corp/Alliance? Dump it in the public part of your hangars!

Baugoti
Amarr
Middle Finger Technology
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:48:00 - [50]
 

How about.. When you contract the ship with the damaged crystals.. the damaged crystals get destroyed.

That way, no damage crystal scams - and if someone really wants to contract the ship they have to lose the isk they spent on the crystals.

All we can do now is repackage the ship.. lose the rigs.. and contract everything but the crystals.

Sherringford Hovis
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:57:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.



Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.



Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist



And you should really watch your mouth.

This have been the situation for..6 years!!! Why suddenly have EVE turned hello Kitty for something thats been ingame for so long!

no, i believe its your attitude that suddenly stinks taking this pathetic stand with such strong words!



Sherringford Hovis
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:06:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Sherringford Hovis on 31/07/2009 21:10:19



Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.



Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist





And you should really watch your mouth.

This have been the situation for..6 years!!! Why suddenly have EVE turned hello Kitty for something thats been ingame for so long!

no, i believe its your attitude that suddenly stinks taking this pathetic stand with such strong words!





And you are?

ps, don't tell people off for using strong words, who didn't use any asterisked out swear words, like, umm you for example. Look up the word hypocrite m'kay.

Back on topic, the issue here is not the mechanic or whether it is working as intended. The fact is the players don't WANT it to work in that way. How hard can it be to make it visible the damage of a mod? Also, another poster unintentionally made you look an ass mr know it all dev, by pointing out you cant even contract them if you fit then unfit.

Infinion
Caldari
Awesome Corp
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:27:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Edited by: Sherringford Hovis on 31/07/2009 21:10:19



Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.



Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist





And you should really watch your mouth.

This have been the situation for..6 years!!! Why suddenly have EVE turned hello Kitty for something thats been ingame for so long!

no, i believe its your attitude that suddenly stinks taking this pathetic stand with such strong words!





And you are?

ps, don't tell people off for using strong words, who didn't use any asterisked out swear words, like, umm you for example. Look up the word hypocrite m'kay.

Back on topic, the issue here is not the mechanic or whether it is working as intended. The fact is the players don't WANT it to work in that way. How hard can it be to make it visible the damage of a mod? Also, another poster unintentionally made you look an ass mr know it all dev, by pointing out you cant even contract them if you fit then unfit.


one of the rules on this forum is to give constructive feedback while posting with respect towards other players.

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:32:00 - [55]
 

Contract fresh crystals? Contract your ships with fresh crystals? A lot of moaning about a bunch of broken crystals. Scam with other items etc.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:36:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Avoida
Not until there is some means by which you can identify how much damage the crystal has taken without first having to equip it. The scams that would arise from people selling 0.99 damaged crystals through contracts would be epic.


People would wise up and stop buying crystals on contracts, much as I'm not buying shellfish out of the trunk of a car.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:38:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.



so just make possible that when you contrat a laser ship all used crystals are removed from the ship automagically. As of now handling distant ammar ships is a PAIN!

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:38:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Terranid Meester
Contract fresh crystals? Contract your ships with fresh crystals? A lot of moaning about a bunch of broken crystals. Scam with other items etc.


You are stupid or playing one? Its not about scamming but actual logistics. If im not in the station, and want to give someone my BS to move via carrier i cant. I need to move my ass there, trade it and move back. Only because i have some used crystals in cargo bay.

Either enable contracting of broken items or... duh - let us REMOVE them from the ship. Why contract system allows to remove charges from guns yet it doesnt allow to remove charges from cargo bay?

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:45:00 - [59]
 

Show damage in the "Show info" window.
Allow them to be contracted.

Problem solved.

In fact, allow ALL damage goods to be sold - just show what's damaged.

wickedpheonix
Caldari
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:50:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666
This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.


Then give us a new system, like a remote trade system, but one where it can only be done with no money changing hands (in comparison to the current trade system, where money can be part of the deal). All we want is a way to remotely manage our assets between friends/corpies/alts who we KNOW aren't going to try to scam us out, so we don't need a broker.

In other words, please give us a remote non-secure transaction system.

The other ideas in this thread (like putting crystal damage in the contract) are good too.


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