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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.08.04 14:41:00 - [31]
 

I have a Nokia 5110 and a Nokia 3510i.
I feel safe. And old Laughing

Kismo
Posted - 2009.08.04 15:27:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Kismo
... stuff ...


So in summary when you buy a Mac your buying a shiny shiny?

Weren't you trying to convince us to buy the shiny shiny?


NNoooo, what I'm telling you is that a user interface is important (even I as a developer understand this), and Apple tries to make a good UI (and they generally succeed IMO). What you get when you buy a mac is a product that has both hardware and software generally working together to provide you with a good user experience. This is a good thing.

What you get when you buy a Windows PC is cheap hardware controlled by a mediocre-and-sometimes-really-painful OS. This tends to lead to the Windows experience being mediocre to bad - but is at least comfortable because it's what you grew up with.

Which one you buy really doesn't bother me - but trying to claim that Apple doesn't really give you anything and that it's all just "differences" anyway is simply wrong. And the attitude that "oh LOL iphone users LOL think they're all hip LOL" is pretty bull**** too. Why the hate, because the phone works as it's supposed to and isn't a pain to use? Because Apple controls the quality of the user experience?

Remember: the Iphone and Treo were essentially market contemporaries for the last several years... and the Treo was a WTFPITA to use and the iphone wasn't. But now the iphone has given us the Palm Pre - a great step up from the Treo but not quite all the way. What other innovations will Apple force into the market by bringing a simply superior product?

Lord Zoran
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.08.04 16:12:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Lord Zoran on 04/08/2009 16:13:47
im 16-27 and i've never bought anything apple, why? because it sux balls, i admit they do make things look nicer though. so far haven't heard of such an exploit for my nokia n96 lol

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.08.04 17:00:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Kismo
... stuff ...


So in summary when you buy a Mac your buying a shiny shiny?

Weren't you trying to convince us to buy the shiny shiny?


NNoooo, what I'm telling you is that a user interface is important (even I as a developer understand this), and Apple tries to make a good UI (and they generally succeed IMO). What you get when you buy a mac is a product that has both hardware and software generally working together to provide you with a good user experience. This is a good thing.

What you get when you buy a Windows PC is cheap hardware controlled by a mediocre-and-sometimes-really-painful OS. This tends to lead to the Windows experience being mediocre to bad - but is at least comfortable because it's what you grew up with.


But their hardware is crap, it's like saying an Xbox 360 is better than my Gaming PC because it's standardised hardware and is in a white box.

That old familiar saying is true, that if you want to upgrade a Mac, buy a new one, as I've seen the Uni IT department having to do that, and replace them with Dell's of all things. Then a few people complained because they didn't have iTunes automatically installed.

See the way I think of X86 and Apple computers, are that Apples are Porsches, expensive and shiny shiny, the X86 is the more robust cars like Ford. With the Ford you can repair it, upgrade it, add things on, tweak it etc etc, but nobody in their right mind would do anything to that Apple, why? If you **** up, it's an expensive shiny shiny brick and was already configured for dreary mode anyway.

The day I go to work, and the Computer Forensic Lab hardware and software is replaced by the shiny shiny is the day the world stops committing digital crimes.

Kismo
Posted - 2009.08.04 17:52:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin
But their hardware is crap, it's like saying an Xbox 360 is better than my Gaming PC because it's standardised hardware and is in a white box.

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the X86 is the more robust cars like Ford. With the Ford you can repair it, upgrade it, add things on, tweak it etc etc



Three comments:
- First, you know Apple uses X86 right? You are familiar with what X86 means, right? Just checking.
- Your analogy is bad. It's more like saying that an Xbox 360 is better than your gaming PC because it has better controls, doesn't crash all the time, and has better title selection. Also, your gaming PC likely costs multiples of what a 360 costs these days.
- Your idea of tweaking and upgrading and repairing a Windows installation is one of the prime reasons why Windows is so unstable. It simply doesn't handle the shoddily written drivers well. There's several books by MS OS developers that go into some (hilarious) detail about this problem.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.08.04 20:00:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Xen Gin
But their hardware is crap, it's like saying an Xbox 360 is better than my Gaming PC because it's standardised hardware and is in a white box.

...

the X86 is the more robust cars like Ford. With the Ford you can repair it, upgrade it, add things on, tweak it etc etc



Three comments:
- First, you know Apple uses X86 right? You are familiar with what X86 means, right? Just checking.
- Your analogy is bad. It's more like saying that an Xbox 360 is better than your gaming PC because it has better controls, doesn't crash all the time, and has better title selection. Also, your gaming PC likely costs multiples of what a 360 costs these days.
- Your idea of tweaking and upgrading and repairing a Windows installation is one of the prime reasons why Windows is so unstable. It simply doesn't handle the shoddily written drivers well. There's several books by MS OS developers that go into some (hilarious) detail about this problem.


Apple uses the X86 and only recently, before that it was Power PC, but damn that x86 was so terrible but now Apple have switched to it...

And I don't agree with you about the other stuff (yes, OK, the shoddy drivers, but what do you expect when you buy knocked off hardware from Korea :p)

Munchees
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.04 20:05:00 - [37]
 

I didn't want this to turn into a flamewar of PC vs. Mac...


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