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Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.07.30 07:03:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
Wouldn't the better option be to go shoot what ever the mission objective is, then wait for him to loot the wreck. YARRRR!!

Works for me.

And yeah, im in yer page 2 sniping your posts..

Spatiospleen
Posted - 2009.10.06 16:26:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Spatiospleen on 06/10/2009 16:28:40
i was vitctim of a ransom of a damsel. doing lvl4 with BS,
the pirate BC just stick the objective wich drop the can of the damsel, he destroyed it steal it, warped out to put in station, and comeback for negociation.

1/ i cant do anything for forbidde him to steal it, he's neutral before steal it, so i cant shot him before he steal, without been shooting myself by concord in response.
2/ his ship is cheaper than my (bs fit mission), and probably fit pvp scrambled jamm dampener etc, not me, so a confrontation is heavy risqued for me, and i've more to loose in isk than him.
3/ he ask ransom of 30m (the mission reward is 2m) tahts not a fair pric, only 1 ransom can cover the evantually loss of his ship...
4/ if i pay, he will continue to do this 30m easy protected by concord...why will he stop a buisness without matter ?
5/ if i refused i must cancel mission, the result is an important loss of standing, (in my case after that i should leave system to take an agent with 6 quality of less, 3hours ruined...)

So that the game allow pirating its a fact and not bad, but it should also give opportunity to wrestle against also.
Actually pirates are concord protected, stealer can steal every time at 100%. they have pvp fit ship so a fight its not a good idea for the mission runner.
pirates dont have any reason to stop this buissness, ransom for 30m.. they win money in every case without loss, isntead mission runner loss or money or standing or ship.
thats really unfair.

By comparaison, the ninja salvager can be fight with destroying wreck,
isntead a can stealer cannot be fighted, he steals cargo before we target cargo....and in the case of we destroy by chance the cargo, we 'll loose standing at 100%, so we loose also.


The mechanic of the game is wrong,
ccp must give missioner a possibility to defend missioner, because actually, missioner are ****ed at 100% and piracy is encoruaged by the game mecanism.

there are several way for dot that:
- change objective mission,
- securise the objective mission,
- or more radical, put red the ship who are not in a fleet and directly warp in our deadspace....coz he 's not doing tourism he's here for steal to the missioner some money...and a threat must be considered like a threat, not like neutral.


ccp must realise that people who do mission are client, and if they have the game ruining by obvious ccp mechanism allowed pirates, they can simply stop to pay...instead to be ****ed off without any possibility of defense.

Bhaumut
Posted - 2009.10.06 16:43:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
Wouldn't the better option be to go shoot what ever the mission objective is, then wait for him to loot the wreck. YARRRR!!


Actually the cans are theirs even if you shoot their mission objective, or they were at least for me. Meaning they are still under the ownership of the mission runner.

And I have had my mission hijacked when i left it for a day once, however after the reset the mission itself reseted.

Also works on missions where you need to kill certain targets before they escape so on and so forth, they escape, it says you fail.. wait till reset.. poof mission is reset. Though its obvious that you need to wait till past reset, in which case takes to long for some.
I know I'm impatient personally. :P

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.10.06 21:24:00 - [34]
 

http://www.mylootyourtears.com/?p=136

Mission objectives drop in cans that are free for all and do not flag aggro on theft. I have rescued many a Damsel from the seedy glare of the MissionPedoBear.

TIM GNARKILL
Gnarkill INC
Posted - 2009.10.07 03:07:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Spatiospleen
Incomprehensible blob of text.

That post needs subtitles.

Logit Probit
OIive OiI Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.07 06:42:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
You could just blow it up -> Loot damsel -> drop it in a can, however.


SHHHHHHH! Occasionally mission runners do read this stuff y'know.


LOL. I know of 300 mission runners who don't.

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2009.10.07 10:18:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
and griefing is explicitly against the EULA.

Show me where it says that griefing is illegal.

You cant.

Kiva Aharan
Posted - 2009.10.07 14:49:00 - [38]
 

I think the GMs tend to reset missions when the MR is unaware that they have been robbed.

I'd imagine if I petition that the loot simply wasn't there I'd get them to reset it. Probably takes too much to figure out if the loot was stolen or simply wasn't there.

Dirk Mortice
Posted - 2009.10.07 16:42:00 - [39]
 

1. Take mission item
2. drop 50 jet cans
3. place mission item in one of said cans
4. tell mission runner to hurry

MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.07 16:58:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
.... and griefing is explicitly against the EULA.




Laughing

Dear Abby
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.10.07 19:03:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Bongo Debbie
It's definitely a grey area regarding what gets classed as 'griefing' in this situation.

Considering the majority of mission runners have high standings, I'd just fail the mission and get on with it to be honest.


There really isn't a grey area at all - There are two types of mission drops - Those that are open to anyone to take in gang or not (You don't get flagged for taking the item) and those that are in a can belonging to the mission runner and flag you for taking the item.

If you are flanged the mission runner has the ability to blow you up and the mission should not be reset because no game mechanics were side stepped.

If you are not flagged for taking the item the mission should be reset because you had no chance to defend or regain the item without concord intervention.


That said - bug report those mission that the completion item doesn't flag a theft on as they do not follow the games mechanics.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2009.10.07 20:14:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Logit Probit
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
You could just blow it up -> Loot damsel -> drop it in a can, however.


SHHHHHHH! Occasionally mission runners do read this stuff y'know.


LOL. I know of 300 mission runners who don't.


I can show you one that does though ;)

Ashley Sky
The Eleventh Commandment
Posted - 2009.10.08 21:41:00 - [43]
 

Unfortunately most mission objectives are dirt cheap in contracts, so you can't get much for ransoming them back.


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