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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.07.27 21:18:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Claiming Yaay to be a "primary fleetcommander" kind of lowers the quality of the article to below sea-level. :)


On the other hand, your claiming the article is of low quality counteracts that.





I lol'd.


Truth be told, me too. Laughing


Palmer Eldritch
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.07.27 21:21:00 - [32]
 

I actually felt sorry for Yaay when they were booted from their alliance for setting out where they thought it was going wrong.

a grue
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.07.27 21:53:00 - [33]
 

This blog post is pretty good. As with any article, just remember who wrote it and what their goals are.

Symptoms of alliance stress are not necessarily symptoms of failure cascade. Stress is a response to change, and change in EVE comes from many sources, both internal and external. Some alliances fail due to stress, and some emerge better for it.

The article is a guide, not a cookbook. Rely first on your own judgment. Don't put it past spies to post assertions of these symptoms in your forum as a mechanism to foment fears of failure cascade.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.07.27 22:43:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 27/07/2009 19:08:47
Mittani

I love your articles. I in fact envy you, because you're probably being paid for these articles, and I am not. The things you say are basically the way GHSC operates, except with different terminology. But the science behind it is the same - you kill alliances the same way we used to kill corps, before we became faggoty expensive ship collectors and mostly offline fame whores.

You may well be the best human being to visit Eve in a long time. My respect.


awwww <4

these days i too am a mostly offline fame *****, due to burnout recovery. catching up on fallout 3, vampire bloodlines, etc

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.07.27 23:02:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 27/07/2009 19:08:47
Mittani

I love your articles. I in fact envy you, because you're probably being paid for these articles, and I am not. The things you say are basically the way GHSC operates, except with different terminology. But the science behind it is the same - you kill alliances the same way we used to kill corps, before we became faggoty expensive ship collectors and mostly offline fame whores.

You may well be the best human being to visit Eve in a long time. My respect.


awwww <4

these days i too am a mostly offline fame *****, due to burnout recovery. catching up on fallout 3, vampire bloodlines, etc


get a room

Greg DaimYo
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
Posted - 2009.07.27 23:29:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
these days i too am a mostly offline fame *****, due to burnout recovery. catching up on fallout 3, vampire bloodlines, etc


Suggestion for the next article: Burnout-Syndrome of Leadership, be it Main-FC's, Alliance-Leaders or whatever.

I've seen my share of those (partially extremely awesome, partially not so much awesome) guys burn out in my time. Would be interesting to have a flashlight on those guys and their intentions and/or motivations.

Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it. Usually I really enjoy the articles. Keep up with it. ugh

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.07.28 00:54:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Moved to Macintosh forum.

Twisted Evil

Nah this article is relevant to CAOD.... Maybe....


Hahaha.

+rep Very Happy

Talon Scorpio
Caldari
Versatech Co.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.07.28 01:58:00 - [38]
 

'duck and cover" tactics = win.
boy, bicycle, hands covering head.

nice instructional video

tbqfh Das Kapital Herr Lolcat

Danton Marcellus
Gallente
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2009.07.28 02:47:00 - [39]
 

Only skimmed half, nothing anyone with half a brain can't figure out and not at all helpful. Just self-serving goon talk to get the others to doubt themselves while the mitten and his merry men ride bikes in the SA halls.

Divide and conquer, possible older than the internet, unsure, waiting for mitten confirmation.

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.07.28 03:17:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Only skimmed half, nothing anyone with half a brain can't figure out and not at all helpful. Just self-serving goon talk to get the others to doubt themselves while the mitten and his merry men ride bikes in the SA halls.

Divide and conquer, possible older than the internet, unsure, waiting for mitten confirmation.


Nebula Rasa Holdings has your number merry men of SA... Divide and conquer it is...

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.07.28 10:14:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Claiming Yaay to be a "primary fleetcommander" kind of lowers the quality of the article to below sea-level. :)


much like it lowered the quality of your now-dead alliance


His now dead alliance continues to be better than yours and your allies's alliances all put together.

Saravos
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.07.28 10:30:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Saravos on 28/07/2009 10:31:59
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 27/07/2009 19:08:47
Mittani

I love your articles. I in fact envy you, because you're probably being paid for these articles, and I am not. The things you say are basically the way GHSC operates, except with different terminology. But the science behind it is the same - you kill alliances the same way we used to kill corps, before we became faggoty expensive ship collectors and mostly offline fame whores.

You may well be the best human being to visit Eve in a long time. My respect.


awwww <4

these days i too am a mostly offline fame *****, due to burnout recovery. catching up on fallout 3, vampire bloodlines, etc


i was just thinking about getting back into v:tm, I played through as a ventrue which looking back is possbly the least interesting class I could have picked. Might try a malkavian playthrough everyone raves about that

^^^^ now see if that was true they would have won

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.07.28 11:06:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
vampire bloodlines


Good taste, good game. ugh

Ceralio
Gallente
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.07.28 11:46:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Claiming Yaay to be a "primary fleetcommander" kind of lowers the quality of the article to below sea-level. :)


much like it lowered the quality of your now-dead alliance


cus a member got kicked for bieing stupid, and generally bieing stupid after bieing told to stop bieing stupid. When a "primary fc" (in your words, lol he hardly fc'd) starts thinking its a good idea to take on 120 dreads in 50 and he refuses to admit that thats stupid and will most likely try to perform such a manouver ingame it's better to let him go.

This doesn't have anything to do with with what he wrote in the thread, alltough this did point out his wrong mindset.

Palmer Eldritch
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.07.28 14:26:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Ceralio
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Claiming Yaay to be a "primary fleetcommander" kind of lowers the quality of the article to below sea-level. :)


much like it lowered the quality of your now-dead alliance


cus a member got kicked for bieing stupid, and generally bieing stupid after bieing told to stop bieing stupid. When a "primary fc" (in your words, lol he hardly fc'd) starts thinking its a good idea to take on 120 dreads in 50 and he refuses to admit that thats stupid and will most likely try to perform such a manouver ingame it's better to let him go.

This doesn't have anything to do with with what he wrote in the thread, alltough this did point out his wrong mindset.


I'm not entirely certain what you're saying, but Yaay was kicked from the alliance for speaking their honest opinion on an internal forum, not for bad FCing.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.07.28 14:43:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Claiming Yaay to be a "primary fleetcommander" kind of lowers the quality of the article to below sea-level. :)


much like it lowered the quality of your now-dead alliance


His now dead alliance continues to be better than yours and your allies's alliances all put together.


~the ante is upped~

no longer are alliances with a period in their name the cutting edge, behold the arrival of the double period alliance

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.07.28 14:46:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Saravos

i was just thinking about getting back into v:tm, I played through as a ventrue which looking back is possbly the least interesting class I could have picked. Might try a malkavian playthrough everyone raves about that

^^^^ now see if that was true they would have won


i played to the sewers level a few years ago with a tremere and then my computer exploded

this go round, i said 'forget playing through fully the first time, i'm going as a malk'

vtm as a malk is some of the best writing i have ever seen in any computer game, holy crap

if you haven't played as a malk just drop everything and go play it, every single conversation is dazzlingly witty

(something about spaceships goes here)


Faife
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.07.28 14:47:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Palmer Eldritch
I actually felt sorry for Yaay when they were booted from their alliance for setting out where they thought it was going wrong.


your use of the gender neutral third person pronoun becomes really confusing when you then ante up by using a plural for a single person and a singular for the many people.

in this case, you could probably just write out "from the alliance" instead of "it".

nevermind "setting out where" being just a bizarre turn of phrase in an already pronoun heavy clause...

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.07.28 14:49:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Greg DaimYo
Originally by: The Mittani
these days i too am a mostly offline fame *****, due to burnout recovery. catching up on fallout 3, vampire bloodlines, etc


Suggestion for the next article: Burnout-Syndrome of Leadership, be it Main-FC's, Alliance-Leaders or whatever.

I've seen my share of those (partially extremely awesome, partially not so much awesome) guys burn out in my time. Would be interesting to have a flashlight on those guys and their intentions and/or motivations.

Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it. Usually I really enjoy the articles. Keep up with it. ugh


burnout isn't a very good article though it's definitely a phenomenon, i can sum it up for you though

you 'play' eve as a leader for 12-16 hours a day for the entire duration of a war, eventually you either break and quit or you win and quit

whereby 'play' i mean all the crap not necessarily associated with logging in - administrating a thousand+ man effort, sorting out dramas, stratcomm, whatever, and then on top of the 'overhead' you play the game itself, it becomes a job

some people come back after they've relaxed enough, others take mysterious vacations when things get rough to visit their e-love in the u s of a, others ragequit for good

Tom Gunn
Caldari
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2009.07.28 14:52:00 - [50]
 

Rumor has it -A- showing up to defend your alliance over and over is a sign of imminent cascade fail.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.07.28 20:14:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Claiming Yaay to be a "primary fleetcommander" kind of lowers the quality of the article to below sea-level. :)


much like it lowered the quality of your now-dead alliance


His now dead alliance continues to be better than yours and your allies's alliances all put together.


~the ante is upped~

no longer are alliances with a period in their name the cutting edge, behold the arrival of the double period alliance


We tought of Goonswarm as an awe inspiring name for our alliance but then the name was already taken...

Palmer Eldritch
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.07.29 02:33:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Palmer Eldritch
I actually felt sorry for Yaay when they were booted from their alliance for setting out where they thought it was going wrong.


your use of the gender neutral third person pronoun becomes really confusing when you then ante up by using a plural for a single person and a singular for the many people.

in this case, you could probably just write out "from the alliance" instead of "it".

nevermind "setting out where" being just a bizarre turn of phrase in an already pronoun heavy clause...


An alliance is singular, not plural. Yaay has a female avatar but I assume they are male in real life, hence bad writing.

Yaay was kicked from Kenzoku for expressing an honest opinion on an internal forum. Thank you for giving me an excuse to say this again.

i assume the caps thing was for comedy effect ...

th1rdeye
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.07.29 03:46:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
no longer are alliances with a period in their name the cutting edge, behold the arrival of the double period alliance


fear the arrival of the ellipsis alliance...it is coming

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.07.29 11:54:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: th1rdeye
Originally by: The Mittani
no longer are alliances with a period in their name the cutting edge, behold the arrival of the double period alliance


fear the arrival of the ellipsis alliance...it is coming


Razor Alliance... the tip of the spear, the best of the best.... at loosing capital ship after capital ship assaulting Delve.

th1rdeye
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.07.29 12:30:00 - [55]
 

Funny thing about my alliance: we can afford to lose caps, while 2 bit alliances such as yours jerk off in low sec all day.

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.07.29 13:51:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Faekurias on 29/07/2009 13:51:00
Damn you, thread.

Now I have to reinstall Vampire Redemption and play as a malk.

Curse you thread.

Edit: OH BTW : violence boats internets.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.07.29 19:46:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: th1rdeye
Funny thing about my alliance: we can afford to lose caps, while 2 bit alliances such as yours jerk off in low sec all day.


Is that your version of, "we didn't want those caps anyway..." ? Laughing

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.07.29 21:36:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 29/07/2009 21:38:36
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
'duck and cover" tactics = win.
boy, bicycle, hands covering head.

nice instructional video

tbqfh Das Kapital Herr Lolcat


Hey Talon! LTNS!

As to the blog? It's ok... in a general sort of 'well written post stating the obvious' sort of way. It'll probably help some folks newer to the game but have to echo the thoughts of many that while these are good general guidelines don't just look at any 1 symptom and jump to OMFGMYALLIANCEISDYING conclusions. Keep an eye on what's going on and watch for trends.

The BEST advice in the entire blog is keeping a revenue making stream available to yourself that isn't tied to conquerable stations, or even 0.0 at all.

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.07.29 21:42:00 - [59]
 

mittens should have interviewed Atlas seeing that we are the experts at surviving failure cascades. According to goons we been dead what 2 years now and are completley irrelevent (yet they cant stop talking about us)


SK Rooster
Gallente
No Trademark
Killboard Online
Posted - 2009.07.29 23:04:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: th1rdeye
Funny thing about my alliance: we can afford to lose caps, while 2 bit alliances such as yours jerk off in low sec all day.


u mad?


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