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ceaon
Posted - 2009.07.19 15:42:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Zortono
Originally by: Gnulpie

Escalate it to Senior GM.

A neutral repping a pos of a war target will become flagged and the war target will be able to legally kill those repping people.

Why this is supposed to be an exploit is beyond my understanding. I can only assume some mistake here, therefore escalate the petition until you get a detailed explanation.


After reading your reply I politely asked the GM to escalate this issue to a senior GM, he replied reassuring me that this was 'indeed an exploit' and denied the request.

email internal affairs whit petition ID

Zortono
Gallente
Posted - 2009.07.19 18:24:00 - [62]
 

I requested again that the petition be escalated to a senior GM. Still waiting for a response.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2009.07.20 17:10:00 - [63]
 

Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile

Weight What
Gallente
Posted - 2009.07.20 17:21:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile



So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken? Smile

Viqer Fell
Minmatar
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.07.20 17:31:00 - [65]
 

It will be the same as in previous years where normally it is not an exploit however whilst the system is broken then IT IS an exploit.

I imagine that once the system is back working again as intended then it will no longer be an exploit. It's how it's worked in the past with other broken game mechanics.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2009.07.20 17:34:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Edited by: TimMc on 19/07/2009 12:48:47
Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Dumb question:

How would I know a neutral's corp is at war or not? They could TELL me they're not at war and I wouldn't know the difference.

Enter ban hammer, unless there is a way to check if a corp is at war with another.

Please no flames; I am not aware of such a function and would like to learn ugh


Corp tab > wars > Other wars

Then search for that corporation and it will say the wars against that corp.


Isn't that function broken since like forever? I've not been able to find anyone elses wars in ages.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.20 17:36:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile


Quote:
exploit: neutrals remote repairing starbases at war
reported by GM Spiral | 2007.06.20 14:34:00


How about hurrying up with it? How bloody hard can it be?

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2009.07.20 17:45:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile

So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken? Smile
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2009.07.20 17:47:00 - [69]
 

So when is it going to be fixed?
is there a internal patch?
How long have CCP been aware that it's broken?

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.20 18:21:00 - [70]
 

What is the intended game mechanic for this - when it's not broken?

Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.07.20 18:27:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile

So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken? Smile
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.


maybe it might just be time to hire some people who actually know the rules of the game. If players can't get a clear list of what is and what isn't an exploit , why can people CCP pays to check on this can (and apperently need it) ?

Not even to mention that this sounds more like some bad excuse as a valid reason. The alliance logo submission tool is also mysteriously broken , even for logos what where approved and ready to be implented ingame . Petitions that then get mysteriously closed and systematically ignored to eventually just pretend like a logo is allready in game when it clearly isn't.

Wouldn't it be time to review the customer support of CCP , because it is outragious to let people like these help paying customers.

Xianbei
Posted - 2009.07.20 20:38:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Xianbei on 20/07/2009 20:38:25
the phrasing is poor

"if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance."

its not just neuts. if a wartarget reps the POS its an exloit too

why would an WT rep an enemy POS ? accidental module activation or even corp spy

but as long as they are warning pilots several times before banning its not that big a deal

Constable Chang
Amarr
The Restorian Movement
Posted - 2009.07.20 21:14:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile


So is there a fix in the pipeline for people deleting toons with low security rating (which is also considered an exploit)?


Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2009.07.20 21:22:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile


what a crap responds.. you should be able to help friends out. instead your ecieve warnings?
i suggest you fix it and leave the players alone.

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.07.20 21:31:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
At the risk of sounding negative on our otherwise positive forum, some of the GMs in the game have a reputation of being worthless sacks of excrement. Without a senior GMs confirmation I have a little trouble believing it is an exploit.



lol, nicely put.

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.07.20 22:01:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile


Not to be s fuss or anything, but it's difficult to have faith (no matter how well meaning) when you come forward saying that when this has been "getting fixed" for over two years, apparently.

Why exactly is it considered an exploit? The reppers get flagged, or is the flagging bugged? If repping a neutral pos the flags you is en exploit why then is using neutral alts to rep you during a war not?

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.20 22:21:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.

We could really do with a central list of all exploits, so we know what is/not allowed. I never would have guessed that repping someone else's POS is an exploit.

Fig Jam
Posted - 2009.07.20 23:48:00 - [78]
 

Well, what if you were to rep a defending war target (i.e. the owner of the POS, not the ones attacking it) before repping the POS? That would flag you to the attackers regardless of whether the flagging for repping the POS is bugged or not.

Since they can then attack you I doubt that it could be claimed as an exploit.

Constable Chang
Amarr
The Restorian Movement
Posted - 2009.07.21 01:40:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.

We could really do with a central list of all exploits, so we know what is/not allowed. I never would have guessed that repping someone else's POS is an exploit.


Would you have guessed that jetcan mining was an exploit? Because it was at first.

Basically the word 'exploit' has, in the context of an MMO, come to mean 'anything that the MMO company did not anticipate'.

It no longer means 'taking advantage of a bug'; it can mean 'working smarter not harder'.

Anything that you do in an MMO which required original or 'out of the box' thinking could be declared an 'exploit' these days.

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.21 09:05:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 21/07/2009 09:07:11

Indeed, it seems that way.

However, as players, we have to assume that everything is allowed which is not explicitly forbidden.

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.07.21 09:42:00 - [81]
 

Open ended game play. Be what you want to be! Except a dedicated repair master!

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2009.07.21 09:51:00 - [82]
 

Just a quick Q, if i see some guns at a moon with no pos. can i fix the guns and take them without getting in trouble. They have been there a good while now

Wai Ng'Tse
Posted - 2009.07.21 10:57:00 - [83]
 

some say that they have been doing this for a long time in empire wars.

and too right that they didn't know if the last news-article on it is 2 years old!

is it time for a list of known "exploits" and bannable offences?

Of course this would open up the opportunity for people wanting to use the exploit, but a better exploit tracking system would eliminate that possibility bundled with a 0-tolerance 3 strike system (e.g. 1st offence, 24h ban, 2nd offence, 7 day ban, 3rd offence permanent ban).

It sounds like a bad idea to me, but right now players getting warnings for thing that they didn't know where exploits is pretty lame.

Ice Moon
Posted - 2009.07.21 11:28:00 - [84]
 

I asked for a list of exploits a while ago as I have no frickin' idea what's an exploit or what isn't, and I was promptly told that asking for lists of exploits / discussing exploits / listing exploits...

... are not allowed.

I mean, in all honesty, how can I follow the rules if I don't know what they are?

And if the answer is "They're all obvious", then, er why does this thread exist?

Anyone know why there's a problem telling us what we're not allowed to do?


Ice
(Confused)

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.21 11:38:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse
Of course this would open up the opportunity for people wanting to use the exploit ...

I understand, but that's a bit like saying we'd better not publish our country's laws in case they give some criminals ideas. Laughing

Chrysalis D'lilth
Posted - 2009.07.21 12:34:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Apparently the system for this is currently broken and that is why it is considered an exploit. Our Customer Support team are making sure it's being worked on and we hope it will be fixed soon. Smile

So, is it an exploit or not, as you mention the system is broken? Smile
As long as the intended function is broken it is considered an exploit by our Customer Support department.


As much as i try to empathise with CCP or any other MMO company about those who exploit loop holes in programming and how annoying such activities must be to an MMO developer, i'm reminded constantly about corporate bodies who produce software/hardware that is used by far more customers than a product such as EvE.

Sure an MMO is complicated, of that their can be no doubt, but there are in existance pieces of software that are in their own way, similarly complex and accomodate a huge customer base.

It never ceases to amaze me when it comes to MMO's that a companies own short comings in terms of lack of product knowledge, training/lack of development skills and perhaps most importantly insufficient testing (which would stop such things ever making into a 'live version), are hidden behind the old addage of the term 'exploit' and then used as a means in which to persecute their own customers.

Such a response (and again, i know this is the way most MMO companies operate), has always struck me as unproffessional to the point of being thick-headed when the more respectable approach would be to offer an apology for whatever issues it has caused and fix the problem immediately.

Afterall, none of this would be possible if the software was scripted correctly & tested adequately in the first place.

In other corporate environments, if such a shortcoming was identified, it would be fixed, not in 6 months time, not in the next patch - if a loophole was considered serious, then it would be fixed before it hit the news section of their web page and perhaps more importantly, steps taken by the company to try and ensure a more thorough testing and validation process takes place.

ollobrains
5th Front enterprises
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2009.07.21 12:38:00 - [87]
 

instead of worrying about yet more changes to pvp, fix some bugs ccp

Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.07.21 13:34:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: ollobrains
instead of worrying about yet more changes to pvp, fix some bugs ccp


This IS a bug, you douche.

achoura
Posted - 2009.07.21 14:24:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Intigo
Originally by: ollobrains
instead of worrying about yet more changes to pvp, fix some bugs ccp


This IS a bug, you douche.


That's the point, do try to learn English fully before attempting insults Laughing Still, it doesn't detract from the fact that it's been "getting fixed" for two plus years Rolling Eyes

Milla Jovo
Posted - 2009.07.21 18:26:00 - [90]
 

I will be banned if I keep repping a neutral POS

What about nuet repping someone who is getting shot at and not getting flaged (to the other guy doing the shooting) as a target.

must be a bug also

Cool


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