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Bluddwolf
Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:50:00 - [31]
 

I've learned over time that EVE is not "safe"!

Lesson 1:

I used to jet can mine, can thieves will ove in and take some of your ore. Solution....accept the small loss, record the thieve's name, and report him to corporation / allinace for negative standing. If spotted in Low Sec, he is fair game!

Lesson 2:

Never place a bounty on a thief, pirate, whomever you don't like. They will just jump into a shuttle and have a corp mate pop them and collect your bounty.

Lesson 3:

Never auto pilot! Certainly not in low sec, and not wise (for the reason you mentioned) in high sec.

Jump to Zero is your friend.

Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:59:00 - [32]
 

The only problem here was you.
Don't make yourself attractive to gankers, make it as safe as possible for yourself.
Never Autopilot
FLY WITH CORP MATES
Tank your ship as much as possible if you move expensive stuff

AND NO WORKS FINE!

nice way of natural selection

Essence Praetor
PWN3
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:08:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Edited by: IRISH RIAN on 11/07/2009 14:39:14

The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way..



Wait... what?? ShockedShocked

Essence Praetor
PWN3
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:08:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Essence Praetor on 11/07/2009 15:08:46
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Edited by: IRISH RIAN on 11/07/2009 14:39:14

The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way..



Wait... what?? ShockedShocked



Seriously WTF???ShockedShockedShocked


Double post for epic shock value... You have got to be trolling

Akor Flandres
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:14:00 - [35]
 

High sec IS much safer than low sec and null sec. Go back to WOW if you want NO consequences whatsoever. The fact is, with a little bit of care and effort, no one will bother ganking you in high sec. Except maybe the goons.

Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:17:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Maria Kalista on 11/07/2009 15:18:29
Quote:
WHO THEY TARGET.
People with a lot of cargo and high value item's. Mainly Transport Ship's, Industrials ships, And Frieghters. usaylly but not always one's on auto pilot.


1: don't put all your eggs in 1 basket.
2: never ever ever ever fly autopilot. Be paranoid. Be afraid, Be very afraid, and then paranoid.

Quote:
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF
Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them


Wrong! A cargo scanner does see what ever is in your GSC password protected or not.
Quote:
you are no longer safe on auto pilot in high sec.

You never where! The moment you undock you agree by the games mechanics to be part willingly or not of PvP. Only docked up you are safe.

Now really, EVE is a game with consequences. Live with it or move on to a game where it doesn't matter what you do. Everything is working here as intended.

Edit: moved a lingering bracket away, don't wanne be the one who breaks the forum even more as it is now... :/

baltec1
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:17:00 - [37]
 

I shall answer you with the use of bullet points!

  • Dont AFK


  • Dont use the auto pilot


  • Dont dump everything into an untanked hauler


  • Use a blocade runner fitted with a cov ops cloak


  • Please, cry more, the tears are so sweet and moist

Takon Orlani
Caldari
Excrutiating Dirge
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:19:00 - [38]
 

Quote:
The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.


wat

Butt Sexington
The Lumberjacks
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:23:00 - [39]
 

I would rip you a new one but my main just got a temp ban for doing it to someone else

/me walks away mumbling to himself

Essence Praetor
PWN3
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:26:00 - [40]
 

Mr. Butt...

are you claiming you got banned for suicide ganking someone in empire?

Butt Sexington
The Lumberjacks
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:29:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Essence Praetor
Mr. Butt...

are you claiming you got banned for suicide ganking someone in empire?

no for yelling at people on the forms with arvald

baltec1
Posted - 2009.07.11 15:32:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Butt Sexington
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Mr. Butt...

are you claiming you got banned for suicide ganking someone in empire?

no for yelling at people on the forms with arvald


You should know better than to hang around with that trouble makerTwisted Evil

Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2009.07.11 16:03:00 - [43]
 

Y'all posting in a troll thread

Bud Tugly
Empire Arms Dealers
Posted - 2009.07.11 16:25:00 - [44]
 


lol, You're a dill-hole.

Why put this extreme effort into a whine/cry thread? You had to know that people would immediately call you a douche bag and the sorts. Learn to EVE. It's a PvP game, not "Internet Spaceships Asteroid Mining Simulator" or "Intergalactic Mission Running." It's EVE. You are not safe anywhere. Your vast misunderstanding of the game mechanics, coupled with this proposal to CCP is hilarious. I'm a trader and I don't give a flying **** about suicide gankers. I think it makes things more interesting, when I choose to haul my own stuff, and I see a bunch of yellows sitting on a gate not moving. Keeps things from getting too boring.

Everyone needs to embrace this, and everything else that carebears whine about, as part of the game. Never gonna change. (at least I hope not)


Butt Sexington
The Lumberjacks
Posted - 2009.07.11 16:26:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Butt Sexington
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Mr. Butt...

are you claiming you got banned for suicide ganking someone in empire?

no for yelling at people on the forms with arvald


You should know better than to hang around with that trouble makerTwisted Evil

Laughing

mari essence
Posted - 2009.07.11 16:51:00 - [46]
 

lol the freighter thing did happen. our corp logged on as alts. and did it with 109 alts in t1 frigates barely got him. LOL try it we did for fun as a corp get together. easy to do have everyone make an alt. then log in to it and go to town.

Other then that shut up you damn carebear

and your all trolling.

and butt you need banned for life

Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
Posted - 2009.07.11 17:47:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Originally by: Kessiaan

T2 haulers exist for a reason. Use a tanked deep space transport for hauling big valuable stuff and a blockade runner for hauling little valuable stuff. All you have to do is make it not worth their time and ships and you won't get suicided.


I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec

Badger Mark II isn't tech 2

N'tek alar
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.07.11 17:50:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN

The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.



Ok, Except that self destruct does absolutely no damage to surrounding ships.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF
Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them(may not stop them tho)

Again, Wrong, The only difference when scanning someone carrying his stuff inside a cargo container is that the container shows up as an additional item, It still lists the stuff inside the container as well.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
make a courier contract(doen't work if you need the items now or are trying to play the market)

This actually works, just remember to set a high enough collateral to cover the possible loss.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Don't use auto pilot in high sec when moving stuff.

Excellent advice.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
you are no longer safe on auto pilot in high sec.

AP in high sec was never safe to begin with...

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
WHAT CCP DOSE WHEN PETITIONED
Thats part of the game nobody said high sec. was safe.

Exactly, High sec is SafER, not safe.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
MY ???'s FOR CCP
WHY do we have high sec?
WHY dose auto pilot dump you 15k from a gate?
WHY do we have auto pilot?
WHY can anyone loot your actual wreck, not a NPC wreck?


1: to provide a somewhat safer place to play than low/null sec.
2: to give you a reason not to use AP all the time.
3: to give you a way to move from place to place without having to stare at the monitor for 30 jumps.
4: because the game is built around the idea of any profession (including stealing from wrecks of player ships killed during a war you're not involved in.) being allowed, Also, There's no difference between player wrecks and npc wrecks, It's perfectly possible to steal from both.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
i can't jam him in high sec so why can he scan me?

Because jamming is an offensive act, Scanning isn't.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN

IDEA 2: Is limit who can take from your wreck in high sec. The only person's that should be able to take from your wreck is you and the person who killed you. what this dose is makes the person have to go back to your wreck after they get concorded. So it give's you the chance to get there first and get back your loot and be waiting there for some revenge... Also those day on sucide ganking alts won't have a high enough security status to go back and pick up your stuff.


Again, The whole basis of the game is that anything goes as long as it's all ingame, This would violate that principle.

Also, There's no such thing as "day one suicide ganking alts", A one day old character don't have the skill points necessary to kill anything before concord and/or gate guns blow them up in high sec.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN

IDEA 3: If some one steals from your ship werck in high security and not an NPC wreck, your actual wreck. If they didn't kill you they sould have a higher penalty put on them then just a 15min kill right. reason they take your loot and set in station for 15 min till they can do it agian to someone else. THATS A CROOK oF ****! they need to get concord and blown up and then they can go back to there wreck and take the stuff leagally from there own wreck.


Doesn't even make any sense, And once again makes theft impossible and rewards laziness and stupidity.

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING



Which, As others have already pointed out is why it will never be implemented, The whole basis of the game is that you are NEVER safe, Yes, you are safER in high sec, that's great, But 100% immunity to attacks in high sec would ruin the game.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.07.11 17:51:00 - [49]
 

To the OP.....

Learn one thing! CONCORD provides punishment, not protection!

Also, read my signature for greater insight in the EVE dev's vision for EVE.
EVE is NOT your 'Hello Kitty' kind of universe....

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 17:54:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: IRISH RIAN
I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec
Badger Mark II isn't tech 2
Laughing

Also, from destroyed items:
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II     59    767.00 M

Shocked

Laughing

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.07.11 18:02:00 - [51]
 

Quote:
MY ???'s FOR CCP
WHY do we have high sec?
WHY dose auto pilot dump you 15k from a gate?
WHY do we have auto pilot?
WHY can anyone loot your actual wreck, not a NPC wreck?


1. So there is an area of space that is moderately safe

2. This is really going to blow your mind, but there used to be no such thing as warp to zero. You always had to warp to stargates at 15 unless you had a specific bookmark, which were called "instas." They added the warp to zero feature so they could delete all the bookmarks, which were causing severe lag.

When they did this, they decided to leave autopilot alone. They did this specifically because they wanted to reward people who were actually playing the game, and to discourage people from hitting autopilot and getting up from the computer.

3. We have autopilot so we know how to get places. Above all else autopilot is a directional tool.

4. I can't believe that question is serious. If other people couldn't "loot your wreck" this game would hardly be eve. Its one of the death penalties that eve is known for and without it you'd kill piracy and pvp all over the server. If you're bothered by this, then eve is NOT the game you should be playing.


-Karlemgne

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2009.07.11 18:02:00 - [52]
 

Not sure if it's mentioned already, (REALLY can't be bothered to read the whole thread) but this is NOT true.

Quote:
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF
Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them(may not stop them tho), make a courier contract(doen't work if you need the items now or are trying to play the market) Don't use auto pilot in high sec when moving stuff. you are no longer safe on auto pilot in high sec.


Nothing stops people from scanning your actual cargo; no containers, no courier wraps, nothing.

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.07.11 18:04:00 - [53]
 

Wah

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2009.07.11 18:06:00 - [54]
 

After not much thought I have decided to award this an 8/10.

As someone said earlier it seems a little too much effort for a troll, I am however prepared to completely overlook this given the fact that we are on page 2 and only 3 people seem to have noticed this is a troll.

A++ would use again.

Nierna
Posted - 2009.07.11 18:07:00 - [55]
 


Commander SideBoob
Posted - 2009.07.11 19:26:00 - [56]
 

first of all, to all you nay sayers, i am under the impression that self destruct splash damage is real. though, unfortunately i wasn't able to test my theory. my chance to test this was ruined by my cynoing corpmate. one corpmate happened to be self destructing a insured raven cuz the insurance was about to expire and the other one, with the cyno already hot, started going off about splash damage and told the guy in the raven to either cancel or warp away, so he warped away and we weren't fleeted Crying or Very sad. so, i still need to test it out.

Now, to Mr Irish, u like whiskey? or whisky? ones made in Ireland, the others not. guess Wink. anyway, im not sure if you know this, but you being a carbear you should know that: one, auto piloting with 59 cov ops cloaks ShockedLaughing is kinda dumb to begin with, and two, that there are different CONCORD response times in different sec space.

there's a reason he got you in a .6, because the response is slower than a 1.0-.7. it's virtually impossible to suicide gank/solo someone in 1.0 space, which is why all newbs start in 1.0 space. the concord response time is almost instant. this is also why most suicides seem to happen in .5 to .6 space. those few short extra seconds can mean the difference between hardly scratching your poorly tanked t1 hauler and blowing you to kingdom come.

just be glad none of your cloaks dropped and all he was left with was all the other almost worthless crap you had in your cargo Laughing. aaahhh it's nice when nobody wins.

game mechanics? anyone? game mechanics? Laughing

id say it's pretty safe to auto pilot through 1.0 -.8 systems. besides that, suicide gankage Twisted Evil. though, if you wanna try again, .7 response times may be too quick for suicides, as well.

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.07.11 19:26:00 - [57]
 

For some reason I thought this post would contain more practical information, like exactly how high the ISK : EHP ratio has to be for suicide gankers to make a profit, when it's actually a mixture of things I know and complaining. Looks like I'll have to stop being lazy and do the math myself =/

Bud Tugly
Empire Arms Dealers
Posted - 2009.07.11 19:47:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Zhade Lezte
For some reason I thought this post would contain more practical information, like exactly how high the ISK : EHP ratio has to be for suicide gankers to make a profit, when it's actually a mixture of things I know and complaining. Looks like I'll have to stop being lazy and do the math myself =/
Its because the OP changed the title after getting flamed.


@OP: Your hauler fail tank is fail. You gotta buffer that *****.


Breen Salak
Caldari
FriendlyFiends
Posted - 2009.07.11 19:47:00 - [59]
 

I'm yet to see a freighter ganked in high sec. Before the ganker's got his pants and socks on he'll be Concorded to oblivion anyway. There's a better chance of a club-footed myopian troglodyte winning Wimbledon to be fair.

And while we're at it, who in their right mind would use an autopilot with a freighter???? Frankly you deserve everything you get.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.07.11 20:15:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Tzar'rim
Nothing stops people from scanning your actual cargo; no containers, no courier wraps, nothing.

Corp hangar in Orca is the only thing that can't be scanned in highsec. Hopefully it get fixed.


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