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IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:17:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: IRISH RIAN on 14/07/2009 02:47:03
WHAT THEY DO.
They Blow up your ship and Steal what is left of your wrecked ship's content's to sell or use. Or they just do it to hurt your wallet.Very Happy

WHY I CARE
I Have lost over 450 mil in one gank. and my corp has been ganked three times. I Just want to be a safe carebear for now{carebear tears}. And i think other pilots should know if they don't already. Never really hauled before and learned from my mistakes. thanks to this forum.

HOW THEY DO IT
They all have hualer's, scanners, and an aggressor. aggressor is the only one that get's concord.

The most advanced gankers use six men. three on one side of the gate and three on the other. One scan's your cargo, one attack's you and blows you up usally a BC attacking a badger mark II(the attacker always gets concored), and one set's in a ship to steal your wrecks loot as you watch from your pod. and if they missed you the'll get you on the othere side.

The other way i've heard it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship, or they attack not sure. seen the cargo contianers of a freighter that went down this way supposly. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.
CORRECTOIN THERE IS APERENTLY NO SPLASH DAMAGE. SO they must just shoot till they get blown up by concord so it looks like there is splash damage. before you say taking down a frieghter can't happen read and watch this iknow it dosent prove my noob attack but thats what i heard happened.

WHO THEY TARGET.
People with a lot of cargo and high value item's. Mainly Transport Ship's, Industrials ships, And Frieghters. usaylly but not always one's on auto pilot.

HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF
Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them(FALSE FOUND OUT THEY CAN SEE INSIDE THEM), make a courier contract(doen't work if you need the items now or are trying to play the market) Don't use auto pilot in high sec when moving stuff. you are not safe on auto pilot in high sec.

WHAT CCP DOSE WHEN PETITIONED
Thats part of the game nobody said high sec. was safe.

MY ???'s FOR CCP
WHY do we have high sec?
WHY dose auto pilot dump you 15k from a gate?
WHY do we have auto pilot?

WHAT CCP COULD DO from a carebear stand point
IDEA 1: make it illeagal to scan ships so that they get concord. i can't jam him in high sec so why can he scan me?

NOTE: NOTE SAYING THERE ARE DIFFRENT TYPES OF WRECKS SAYING THERE SHOULD BE DIFFRENCE'S IN NPC AND PVP WERCKS IN HIGH SEC ONLY REASON read this idea only one of four
IDEA 2: Is limit who can take from your wreck in high sec. The only person's that should be able to take from your wreck is you and the person who killed you. what this dose is makes the person have to go back to your wreck after they get concorded. So it give's you the chance to get there first and get back your loot and be waiting there for some revenge... Also those day on sucide ganking alts won't have a high enough security status to go back and pick up your stuff.

IDEA 3: If some one steals from your ship werck in high security and not an NPC wreck, your actual wreck. If they didn't kill you they sould have a higher penalty put on them then just a 15min kill right. reason they take your loot and set in station for 15 min till they can do it agian to someone else. THATS A CROOK oF ****! they need to get concord and blown up and then they can go back to there wreck and take the stuff leagally from there own wreck.

IDEA 4: make a beggianer aura thing for this becuase i didn't know about this and im sure othere pilots don't either

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:23:00 - [2]
 

shut up.

IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:25:00 - [3]
 

Thanks for the insightVery Happy

Raven Nightstalker
Amarr
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:27:00 - [4]
 

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS TOPIC

me0de
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:29:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
BOTH OF THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING

Which is why this will never happen.
On a serious note, you know where suiciding doesn't happen? Lowsec, and 0.0.

iP0D
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:30:00 - [6]
 

I don't "get" the "problem".

Derus Grobb
Minmatar
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:33:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN

HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF
Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them, make a courier contract(doen't work if you need the items now or are trying to play the market) Don't use auto pilot in high sec when moving stuff.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:35:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
MY ???'s FOR CCP
WHY do we have high sec?
WHY dose auto pilot dump you 15k from a gate?
WHY do we have auto pilot?
WHY can anyone loot your actual wreck, not a NPC wreck?
In order
  1. To provide a safer environment where you can easily avoid being killed.
  2. To make it worth your while to fly manually.
  3. So you don't have to fly manually if you don't want to.
  4. Ehm… Anyone can loot both player and NPC wrecks.
Quote:
IDEA 1: make it illeagal to scan ships so that they get concord. i can't jam him in high sec so why can he scan me?
Because scanning isn't an offensive act — jamming someone is.
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IDEA 2: Is limit who can take from your wreck in high sec.
So you want to reduce the risk for the gankers? Why? Right now, getting "their" loot stolen from under their nose is a major hazard that can completely nuke their profitability, and you want to remove that?!
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IDEA 3: If some one steals from your ship werck in high security and not an NPC wreck, your actual wreck. If they didn't kill you they sould have a higher penalty put on them then just a 15min kill right.
Your reasons make no sense, mainly because you seem to think that there's any difference between player and NPC wrecks. Both work the same way (except with different owners).
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BOTH OF THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING
Which is why they will never happen. Suicide ganking is part of the game and will never be stopped or removed. It can already be prevented by you through the magic act of not being stupid.

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
WHY I CARE
I Have lost over 450 mil in one gank. and this has happened to my corp three times. I Just want to be a safe carebear for now. where can i be safe :(


You know the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

T2 haulers exist for a reason. Use a tanked deep space transport for hauling big valuable stuff and a blockade runner for hauling little valuable stuff. All you have to do is make it not worth their time and ships and you won't get suicided.

I've moved billions through lowsec in transports (mostly a blockade runner) and never gotten caught. You need to stop expecting NPCs to cover your ass and you'll do a lot better.

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The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.


Also, this shows you're either completely clueless, or just a troll. Not sure which. Don't really care.

IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:37:00 - [10]
 

Really i made this tread to try and fix the problem. but if thet dosn't work then atleast people are aware of it.

Trying to better eve one step at a timeLaughing

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Really i made this tread to try and fix the problem.
What problem? You falling for the same easily avoidable trick over and over again?

Here's som fixes to that:
Scout.
Tank.
No AP.
No AFK.
Staying alert.
Non-obvious routes.
…others will probably chime in with more.

IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:42:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kessiaan

T2 haulers exist for a reason. Use a tanked deep space transport for hauling big valuable stuff and a blockade runner for hauling little valuable stuff. All you have to do is make it not worth their time and ships and you won't get suicided.


I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec
Ah, so that's the problem.

Solution: learn from your mistake.
High-sec isn't safe.
Autopilot isn't safe.
T2 is safe (kind of), but only if you're at the controls.

IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:46:00 - [14]
 

RGR ive learned from my mistake posted so others can learn before they losses stuff. or the problem can get fixed

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:48:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 11/07/2009 13:48:12
Originally by: IRISH RIAN
or the problem can get fixed
Highsec ganking isn't a problem, though, so I'm not quite sure what you're referring to…

If you've learned, then the problem is fixed already.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:48:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
EVESpace

I have found the problem.

In all seriousness, High-security space is never safe, this is working as intended, next time you'll have to take better care of hauling precious cargo. If you ask me, it is too easy to be secure when hauling.

Also, your ideas are god awful and this is not new in any way.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Really i made this tread to try and fix the problem.
What problem? You falling for the same easily avoidable trick over and over again?

Here's som fixes to that:
Scout.
Tank.
No AP.
No AFK.
Staying alert.
Non-obvious routes.
…others will probably chime in with more.


This. OP is a silly carebear.

Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:52:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.

I call BULL****!

Lord Reginald
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:58:00 - [19]
 

Split a stack of, say, 1000 trit into single units and put that into your cargo hold so it takes the gankers some time to search through your cargo hold.

IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 13:59:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: IRISH RIAN on 11/07/2009 14:05:02

Quote:
I call BULL****!


Nope two days ago feighter destoryed in niajia. ask all the people who saw 120000m3 containers in space at the gate. How else did the get there then? oh that's right it got blown up by like 40 gankers.

IRISH RIAN
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:02:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lord Reginald
Split a stack of, say, 1000 trit into single units and put that into your cargo hold so it takes the gankers some time to search through your cargo hold.


They just hit select all dosn't stop or slow them down

Enyalie
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:08:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Originally by: Lord Reginald
Split a stack of, say, 1000 trit into single units and put that into your cargo hold so it takes the gankers some time to search through your cargo hold.


They just hit select all dosn't stop or slow them down


It will slow them down on their scan results window;


Aceoil
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:09:00 - [23]
 

This is not a game you should be playing. Hello Kitty online is more your speed.

Suiciding in highsec is not a problem. You are a problem.
Self destruct does not destroy other ships.
You have no idea how this game works.

HAHA it happened to your corp three times. What a bunch of noobs.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
How else did the get there then? oh that's right it got blown up by like 40 gankers.
Ye-e-es? And? How does that in any way substantiate your claim that you can self-destruct-nuke a freighter?

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:10:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec


lol

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: IRISH RIAN
WHAT CCP DOSE WHEN PETITIONED
Thats part of the game nobody said high sec. was safe.
WHY I CARE
I Have lost over 450 mil in one gank. and this has happened to my corp three times. I Just want to be a safe carebear for now. where can i be safe :(

NOWHERE can you be completely safe. It's by design, and we love it.
If anything, it's too DIFFICULT to gank somebody with some half-decent skills who has a clue about what he's doing.

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WHO THEY TARGET.
People with a lot of cargo and high value item's. Mainly Transport Ship's, Industrials ships, And Frieghters. usaylly but not always one's on auto pilot.

So, carry LESS value's worth of cargo, tank your ship better, and then you shouldn't be a target.

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MY ???'s FOR CCP
WHY do we have high sec?

So you won't lose ANY ship to the first wannabe ganker with a battlecruiser.

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WHAT CCP SHOULD DO
[...]
THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING

CCP should do absolutely nothing. Suicide-ganking is a DESIRBLE feature of the game.
If anything, they should make it EASIER to gank people in highsec : the difficulty has been increasing steadily in the past years, up to the point where you need quite large amounts of ships to gank somebody in 0.5
You used to be able to gank a freighter in a 0.5 with a handful of battleships, now you're looking at least at 30, preferably more to pull it off.

Vanzatoarea
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:14:00 - [27]
 

i`d just like to add there is another reason to gank people in highsec

if they act like the op does it`s worth spending some isk in the hope of err....teaching him what eve is about or if that fails hopefully driving him away

op : watch out you just got marked

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:16:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Akita T
If anything, they should make it EASIER to gank people in highsec
/signed.

(But that was probably already obvious)

Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:17:00 - [29]
 

there went waaaaaayyy too much effort in this troll...

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.07.11 14:28:00 - [30]
 

1. CCP understand their own game a lot better than me or you thanks.

2. I like the bit where you didn't understand many of the mechanics of highsec and asked questions why it was so, but then go on tell CCP what they should do instead anyway.


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