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Wreyn Sevet
Lyonesse.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:03:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Wreyn Sevet on 30/06/2009 23:03:08
What about the fifth subsystems? I am assuming those are 1.4?

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.06.30 23:18:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Will there be good standings increases for completing epic arcs?

Good is a relative term but there will be handsome rewards both in terms of standings and stuff. Like with everything else, balance is the key.

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.06.30 23:20:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Odinegras
So when are we getting walking in stations?

When it's ready, not this year. We feel it needs more work before it goes public.

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.06.30 23:21:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Raimo
Oh, an important question about the FW kill LP reward? I sure wish it does mean *player kills* as well, can anyone confirm this? (Most people seem to assume this is the case)

Not pod kills, this is ships destroyed. You pod kill for your own pleasure, at your own risk and accept the consequences. What you do to the frozen corpse is up to you as well.

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.06.30 23:25:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Wadaya
What happens to currently installed rigs? You say the current rigs will be considered "large", so what happens to the T1 and T2 rigs that are currently installed on "small" ships?

They will explode, with severe skill loss on the character inside it.

No, actually they wont, they will simply work as if you had fitted the appropriate rig. Details will be fleshed out in CCP Chronitis' blog, coming shortly.

Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:29:00 - [66]
 

Dang, still debating the T2 basic material situation then eh? I was hoping something would change by at least this year.

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:35:00 - [67]
 

CCP t0rfifrans can i have your internet babies please Embarassed

Finally black ops boost i knew it was coming i had faith in you CCP i will finally put my black ops 5 to use i love you \o/

Karo Tsakkatoa
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:40:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: Odinegras
So when are we getting walking in stations?

When it's ready, not this year. We feel it needs more work before it goes public.


When are you going to be honest with your customers and say "never"?

You've had 3 years... Rolling Eyes

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:40:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 30/06/2009 23:45:04

Very interesting stuff. The small rigs, I assume will be just as effective on the correct size class of ship but less effective on larger ones? So a small trimark would give 15% armour on a frigate but say 7.5% on a cruiser and 3.75% on a battleship? The epic arcs are also something I'm definitely looking forward to. Hopefully they'll tie in with the on-going war storyline that started with FW but hasn't seen any movement since then.

The special bays thing actually opens some very nice possibilities. We could finally get special haulers that are dedicated to hauling a specific thing, maybe even modules designed to expand only that special cargohold. So we could, for example, get a hauler that can carry only 1000m3 in its cargo bay but has a 10,000m3+ ore bay and ore bay expander modules! Or an ammo bay on combat ships, or a massive ship bay on the orca that can only carry repackaged ships. I'm getting excited just thinking of the possible uses the specialist bay system can have, especially for industry. We could get mineral transports with volumes somewhere in between a freighter and a hauler but restricted to minerals, perhaps even specialist gas mining ships with a gas bay.

The FW LP thing is something I suggested a while ago on the forums and touched on in my weekly EVE Evolved column at massively.com. I prefaced it with the idea that the LP store should have PvP-oriented services rather than only being farmable for valuable items for sale or use. Instant locator services were one idea, access to maps of enemy locations or complexes is another. Perhaps even a new disposable deployable structure that reveals all FW plexes in a system or the ability to create a plex somewhere? Maybe even free "militia-owned" ships that are uninsurable and illegal to trade, essentially giving players access to free replacement ships for LP without giving them something that can actually produce wealth and be farmed. Or rank-restricted ships/modules/rigs, only usable by active militia members of a certain rank.

Very exciting stuff and I am dying to know what the new soverignty system looks like as it has the potential to revolutionise 0.0 warfare if it's good.

Treelox
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:44:00 - [70]
 

Quote:
Specialized Cargo holds - Fuel bays on black ops

We are introducing a system that allows us to author specialized cargo holds on ships. We will start by adding fuel bays on black ops and possibly other ships. This means we‘re adding more space for your fuel, without the ships becoming horribly unbalanced haulers of death. The technology behind this opens up doors to making other types of bays, just for ammo, just for livestock or whatever. Those options will be explored in future expansions.



All ships should come with an exotic dancer and booze hold, it gets lonely out in space.....

iudex
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:44:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
+6 attribute implants for a huge amount of LP

That is a terrible idea.

More incentives for FW to fight is good. However since they apparently have no clue what is causing the lag (sorry but how hard can it be, it must be somewhere in the FW related code, disable everything and reenable it one for one untill you find it), we wont be able to fight a 10 vs 10 without getting completely desynced.


Why is it terrible ? FW missions require to travel for many jumps through hostile space, there are beacons where people can warp in, don't even have to probe. They are more dangerous than lowsec or 0.0 missions.
0.0 missions offer special implants (e.g. crystal implants, snake etc.) and special faction ships as reward. It's well balanced in terms of risk vs reward if FW LP store get something similar, the quality of that "goodies" will decide on the success of the FW part of the expansion. I don't think anyone will care if that "goodies" are some fluffy things like coloured shuttles or the cosmos missions rewards. It should be something good, something that is in high demand. Only then it will create the extra traffic and bring life to the whole region again.

TZeer
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:47:00 - [72]
 

Fuel bays on the black ops sound cool and all that, but is it possible to get a response from CCP regarding their sudden DECREASE in scan resolution on the black ops that appeared not to long ago. You just boosted the scan strength in the black ops boost. Whats the reason for the sudden decrease? Have not been mentioned in any devblogs, patch notes or forums.

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2009.06.30 23:53:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 30/06/2009 23:59:55

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans

No, actually they wont, they will simply work as if you had fitted the appropriate rig.

This is the most primitive and the most unfair solution. It hurts those of us who already have their rigs installed. In case of tech2 it's a rather pricey loss. All of a sudden 200 mil large rig will basically get converted into medium or even a small one.

How is it justified? Rolling Eyes

Just let us extract those oversized things without loosing them, and everyone and their dog will be happy.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.07.01 00:07:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Fon Revedhort
All of a sudden 200 mil large rig will basically get converted into medium or even a small one.

How is it justified? Rolling Eyes

Probably because rigs that are already fitted cannot be removed. Thus the only value they have is in the bonuses they grant, which presumably will be identical before and after the patch. Converting the rig from large to small in that case makes a lot of sense.

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.07.01 00:17:00 - [75]
 

Shameless RSS plug:

We have an RSS feed of our dev blogs available for your convenience, as some of the questions posted in this thread will be answered in upcoming blogs.

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2009.07.01 00:18:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
All of a sudden 200 mil large rig will basically get converted into medium or even a small one.

How is it justified? Rolling Eyes

Probably because rigs that are already fitted cannot be removed. Thus the only value they have is in the bonuses they grant, which presumably will be identical before and after the patch. Converting the rig from large to small in that case makes a lot of sense.


Yes they can. Stuff like the speed rigs were unfit when the speed changes came into effect.

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2009.07.01 00:29:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Shameless RSS plug:

We have an RSS feed of our dev blogs available for your convenience, as some of the questions posted in this thread will be answered in upcoming blogs.


You didn't answer my vital important super mega awsome question though Embarassed

Enthral
Posted - 2009.07.01 00:32:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 30/06/2009 23:59:55

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans

No, actually they wont, they will simply work as if you had fitted the appropriate rig.

This is the most primitive and the most unfair solution. It hurts those of us who already have their rigs installed. In case of tech2 it's a rather pricey loss. All of a sudden 200 mil large rig will basically get converted into medium or even a small one.

How is it justified? Rolling Eyes

Just let us extract those oversized things without loosing them, and everyone and their dog will be happy.


First, we don't know all of the information on how the new rigs will work. Regardless, I submit this question to you right now:

You were able to justify fitting a multi-million isk rig on a smaller ship when you initially did it. Why is that expense somehow no longer justified?

-Enthral

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.07.01 00:35:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 01/07/2009 00:52:43
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
All of a sudden 200 mil large rig will basically get converted into medium or even a small one.

How is it justified? Rolling Eyes

Probably because rigs that are already fitted cannot be removed. Thus the only value they have is in the bonuses they grant, which presumably will be identical before and after the patch. Converting the rig from large to small in that case makes a lot of sense.

Yes they can. Stuff like the speed rigs were unfit when the speed changes came into effect.

That was when one rig's BONUS was being changed, in that case it was unfair to condemn people to having retroactively made a poor choice in rigging their ship. In this case the bonuses will presumably be identical before and after the change, it's just that small ships will now have to use small rigs. If that's the case, it makes perfect sense in that instance to leave the rigs fitted and simply convert them. The only problem is with people who bought the rigs for the full price before the patch and will be annoyed that they could have waited and bought a cheaper version after the patch that would do the same job. After this news announcement with over a month of warning, I think anyone buying an expensive rig for a small ship knows full well what they're getting in for.

Bene Amarr
Amarr
E-Cho
Posted - 2009.07.01 02:07:00 - [80]
 

Any chance the Blood Raiders - Sansha - Guristas standings loop will get fixed in this patch? Embarassed

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2009.07.01 02:45:00 - [81]
 

To the devs:

here's what I noticed about eve regarding new features. WHen you release a big feature, you make it available on sisi just a couple of weeks before or so (sometimes more or less). Most of the time, theres always or almost some problems which could be anything but usually nothing is good about it. Sure the problem gets fixed but still, time lost for enjoyment for this game.

I've been thinking about walking in stations. How about releasing it on sisi or another server which people can log on, test or do whatever they want with it. That way you'll have plenty of feedback very very early. Its never too late and its I really think this is a good idea about this one.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.07.01 03:11:00 - [82]
 

Very Happy now I know why that one person wanted to sex you, can I sex you next? Laughing

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2009.07.01 04:22:00 - [83]
 

Still no word about alchemy Sad

Alchemy was based on complete wrong numbers because of the pos-bug exploit, but since the discovery of that exploit alchemy was never looked at again. Why??


Nice blog, but who needs small and med rigs? Rigs are working pretty fine currently.

Black ops fuel bay sounds good. Epic level4 arc(s) sound good also.

FW and special FW lp-stores, could be an interesting approach. Are the LP just for killing players of the enemy militia or also for killing npcs?

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.07.01 05:21:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Raimo on 01/07/2009 05:54:20
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: Raimo
Oh, an important question about the FW kill LP reward? I sure wish it does mean *player kills* as well, can anyone confirm this? (Most people seem to assume this is the case)

Not pod kills, this is ships destroyed. You pod kill for your own pleasure, at your own risk and accept the consequences. What you do to the frozen corpse is up to you as well.


Yay, great news! \o/

And no, I was not talking about podding, just wanted to doublecheck that it was just not NPC kills this was about but indeed shooting down player ships... Great move CCP, hopefully the FW lag gets sorted soon as well.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.07.01 06:14:00 - [85]
 

Excellent news that you are holding back the WiS content in order to sort out the "must fix" material (sovereignty, FW etc.).
The size specific rigs has a lot of promise, hope you are not going to just mirror current rigs but rather as mentioned, make them truly unique for their intended class (tackle range for instance).

There is even some goodies for the Apocrypha doomsayers. CCP said that with their epic-arc design tool they could crank them out, doomsayers said .. yea, well you are probably just going to use the regular patch cycle so speed is moot .. Yay for doomsayers!

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.07.01 06:16:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Trimutius III on 01/07/2009 06:18:32
Originally by: Enthral
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 30/06/2009 23:59:55

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans

No, actually they wont, they will simply work as if you had fitted the appropriate rig.

This is the most primitive and the most unfair solution. It hurts those of us who already have their rigs installed. In case of tech2 it's a rather pricey loss. All of a sudden 200 mil large rig will basically get converted into medium or even a small one.

How is it justified? Rolling Eyes

Just let us extract those oversized things without loosing them, and everyone and their dog will be happy.


First, we don't know all of the information on how the new rigs will work. Regardless, I submit this question to you right now:

You were able to justify fitting a multi-million isk rig on a smaller ship when you initially did it. Why is that expense somehow no longer justified?

-Enthral



He isn't talking about really small ships... He is talking about Command ship for example... Command ship is more expensive then BS, so fitting expensive rigs could be easily justified in ur mind... But CS or HACs are smaller ships and should use smaller rigs, and some people have already fitted good rigs (some riches maybe even really expensive rigs that could be considered even reasonable) And they just change that expenses, if they do of course, and it may be unsatisfiing that after this patch that modification could cost much less then before patch, and even a little bit unfair to old players.

P.S. Though i know he is talking about his Absolution with T2 nano pumps (he said about that on EVE-RU forum)

Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2009.07.01 06:26:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Maria Kalista on 01/07/2009 06:26:11
Originally by: Syekuda
I've been thinking about walking in stations. Gimme Gimme Nouw! No matter how banged up it is.


Lol. Laughing


Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2009.07.01 06:33:00 - [88]
 

I understand this question may be uncomfortable to answer, but is there any schedule, do you have any plans on releasing the 5th subs for the T3?

Thank you.

Vherkin
Amarr
War Cake
Posted - 2009.07.01 06:46:00 - [89]
 

Its a good thing that factionnal will get a boost. But was wondering if something would block people to just join with one of their alt the ennemy militia and blow it up again and again for lp ?

like this:
-You have lp once a hour per person.
-The lp gain will depend on the class of the killed ships. That way, its will not profitable at all to do it even with the insurance.

When mining will get is promised overhaul ?
Now, with the two next expension content announced, i wonder when this long-awaited change will come?
Or even if anything will come at all ?

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.07.01 06:54:00 - [90]
 

hmmm very nice. Sad to hear no ambulation again though Sad Should we keep our hopes up for next summer or not likely?


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