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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.30 09:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 30/06/2009 09:48:45
Quote:
"The listed software company, Global Gaming Factory X AB (publ) (GGF) acquires The Pirate Bay website, http://www.thepiratebay.org, one of the 100 most visited websites in the world and the technology company Peerialism, that has developed next generation file-sharing technology. Following the completion of the acquisitions, GGF intends to launch new business models that allow compensation to the content providers and copyright owners. The responsibility for, and operation of the site will be taken over by GGF in connection with closing of the transaction, which is scheduled for August 2009.

"We would like to introduce models which entail that content providers and copyright owners get paid for content that is downloaded via the site" said Hans Pandeya, CEO GGF.

"The Pirate Bay is a site that is among the top 100 most visited Internet sites in the world. However, in order to live on, The Pirate Bay requires a new business model, which satisfies the requirements and needs of all parties, content providers, broadband operators, end users, and the judiciary. Content creators and providers need to control their content and get paid for it. File sharers' need faster downloads and better quality" continues Hans Pandeya."



Rich people win again.

Sera Ryskin
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:06:00 - [2]
 

*shrugs*


As their official statement says, if they cease to be the Pirate Bay we all know and love, the users will disappear, and something new will replace it. It's not like they're the only torrent site anyway, so it probably won't even take very long.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:07:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Rich people win again.

As long as money is given any authority, rich people will always win. It's in the nature of things, you give them power, you obey them, it's in your hand to deprive them of it. Until people get it into their heads that power is given, not taken, nothing will change.

Karma
Vortex Incorporated
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:08:00 - [4]
 

and thus pirate bay goes the way of Napster and Kazaa.

"who?"

exactly.

ceaon
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:09:00 - [5]
 

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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:13:00 - [6]
 

Now, here's my thoughts on the matter.

ThePirateBay was not a website that made piracy possible. Piracy on the internet was going strong long before it's conception (I remember running around for Gameboy Colour ROMs!). However, ThePirateBay was a, ahem, flagship for internet freedom, away from a world where everything has it's price. Without it, it's one less beacon of hope that in ten years the internet will still be free and open.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:19:00 - [7]
 

Fun fact: 80-90% of our C64 software was 'pirated' from people that had 'pirated' copies from friends that... etc. Yet, te gaming industry wasn't stillborn as it should have been if you listen to the arguments of the copyright industry.Cool

Pello Mei
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:22:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: ceaon
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I could post a long drawn out reply of my feelings and thoughts on what's happening but the quote above sums it all up pretty well.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:32:00 - [9]
 

we will have to wait for the end result.

hell if you can go on the pirate bay and download files legally and for free, and deal with a few banner adds, well wouldn't that be swell. Very Happy

****socks... that will never happen. Laughing

ceaon
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:42:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: ceaon on 02/07/2009 10:42:11
Inappropriate post removed. Bedpo KpoBu


this link is ok http://su.pr/2bst9z

dr doooo
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Until people get it into their heads that power is given, not taken, nothing will change.



The trouble is though it's usually the CIA doing the giving to unelected dictatorsVery Happy



Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:57:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: dr doooo
Originally by: Abrazzar
Until people get it into their heads that power is given, not taken, nothing will change.



The trouble is though it's usually the CIA doing the giving to unelected dictatorsVery Happy

The populace is giving power to the dictator by bending over to the tyranny. And that happens because their behavior is controlled by the power they give to their fears, specifically the fear of death and pain the tyrant's thugs threaten them with. Breaking free from that would require some loss of self, which is ironically considered more valuable than their freedom even though slavery means complete loss of self and the significance of the individual will.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:11:00 - [13]
 

I remember getting copies of dig dug, joust, pong, and many other games on floppy disk for my famlies Apple IIE back in middle school. Also me and my friends made many copies of the 2 Live Crews' As Nasty As They Wanna Be, since they would get confiscated by the parents. Nothing new and "piracy" will continue.


Slade

Xelios
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:21:00 - [14]
 

Oh well, good thing there's hundreds of other torrent sites. One of them will take TPB's place as the hub for the next 3 years, which seems to be the length of time it takes corporate conglomerates to shut them down. Sorry guys, the internet is faster than you Very Happy

ceaon
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Xelios
Oh well, good thing there's hundreds of other torrent sites.

50% of world torrents use tpb tracker
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Ratchman
Posted - 2009.06.30 13:01:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Now, here's my thoughts on the matter.

ThePirateBay was not a website that made piracy possible. Piracy on the internet was going strong long before it's conception (I remember running around for Gameboy Colour ROMs!). However, ThePirateBay was a, ahem, flagship for internet freedom, away from a world where everything has it's price. Without it, it's one less beacon of hope that in ten years the internet will still be free and open.


What a lovely, romantic ideal you paint. You're not pirating software, you're rebelling against a fascist junta who force you to 'pay' for their product.

There's nothing actually wrong with the copyright system. People spend money to produce something. For them to recoup that money, they have to charge their customers, plus with a little profit (sometimes large, depending on their personal ethics). This is an adaquate and expected arrangement. If you were the one producing the games, this is what you would expect, too. And there's nothing illegal or unethical about it.

Piracy is theft, and no matter how many ways you try to justify it, it will always be theft. You may say they charge too much. That may be true, but if you pirate it, it is still theft. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't pay for it, but you can't have it at the same time.

Piracy is something that has been around as long as there have been record buttons on our media, and it will never go away. Some companies are making some very ham-fisted attempts at DRM, and are actually making the situation worse, but they will never rid themselves of piracy. It's like shoplifting. Every shop expects to lose some sales due to this, and build it into their projections. It doesn't stop them trying to catch the shoplifters, but they do expect some losses.

Personally, I have issues with EA's SecureROM technology, and have refused to buy any more of their titles until it is removed. This means I have missed out on a few games I really wanted to play, like Red Alert 3. Did I pirate them? No. And for the simple reason that by pirating it, I would be justifying their fears that their entire customer base are pirates. As it is, they look at all the illegal copies, and say: "the demand is there, but these pirates are taking all our profits". Better for them to see that no-one is buying their software or pirating it. Then they might ask themselves: "why does no-one want this?" I am also aware of the argument that they have employed this to get rid of the second hand games market, and I agree with that, but this argument is about piracy.

You may think I am being self-righteous, but I come to this realisation after years of experience. I used to pirate software myself, but I never deceived myself into thinking that it was anything more than just stealing. I wanted to own those games, even if I never played them. Growing up in a time of unrestrained capitalism, it seemed the most natural thing in the world, but I eventually learned that by pirating, you do add to the problem, whereas a more disciplined stance was more likely to yield results. Indeed, there are signs that EA have got cold feet about SecureROM and have not included it with The Sims 3, and that is purely down to people boycotting them.

I don't expect everybody to give up piracy. Like I said, it has always been with us, and always will be. However, don't try and justify it as an expression of freedom, or some noble cause. You want something, you didn't want to pay for it, but you took it anyway. That's the motivation, and that's all it is.

I am a staunch proponent of internet freedom, but this isn't it.

Xelios
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.06.30 13:22:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Xelios
Oh well, good thing there's hundreds of other torrent sites.

50% of world torrents use tpb tracker


Yes, and now all those torrents will move to other trackers. Actually the majority of them already have, that area called "Foreign Tracker" means those torrents are hosted primarily on a different site and somebody just edited the .torrent file to include a TPB tracker as well.

Same thing with Jita. If Jita were to disappear tomorrow the hub would just move to a different system. Yulai used to be the Jita of EVE, CCP tried to rework the stargates to spread out the trade more evenly and everyone just ended up moving to Jita instead.

Kamihami
Posted - 2009.06.30 14:07:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
Originally by: ceaonFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU




Quote:
I could post a long drawn out reply of my feelings and thoughts on what's happening but the quote above sums it all up pretty well.


Yep...ugh

Quote:
There's nothing actually wrong with the copyright system. People spend money to produce something. For them to recoup that money, they have to charge their customers, plus with a little profit (sometimes large, depending on their personal ethics).


Well that's what's actually wrong with the copyright system really...or at least, with the large corps who weild it like a hammer...a distinct lack of personal ethics and a lot of profit.

Not that piracy is particularly ethical either, of course...

But yes, the question is one of ownership, as well as profits and where those profits are going - not primarily to the artists for example, the creators of the work who really should have the copyright rather than the middle men. Direct distribution online, as a business model, dealing with data rather than a physical CD would change things in terms of both ownership and where profit would go to when you buy something.

The thing with piracy is, theft or not, it highlights the current business model is redundant and outdated...it's not just a matter of getting something for free (though yes, that's a large part of it) but also the conveniance of just being able to click on and get what you want.

It's not just consumers who are showing dissatisfaction either - artists are progressively looking for alternative ways of marketting their product. For example, Radiohead selling one of their albums via "whatever you can afford", by artists leaving their labels and forming their own, by touring via hand outs and donations and staying with fans rather than hotels.

I think this is part of a wider context...

and it's not just a matter of attempting to stamp out illegal piracy, it's also a matter of questioning the legitamacy of the current system where artists (granted, voluntarily) sign away their ownership and, comparitavely, recieve less profit. And the awareness of the bigger record companies that people are looking at other ways of doing things. I would certainly think they're feeling a bit threatened in general in order to massively overreact by fining a woman $1.9 million for downloading 24 songs...

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.06.30 14:16:00 - [19]
 

That car dealership down the street is overpriced. All the people that work there and everyone that was involved in designing, building, marketing, etc. must be rich anyways. So I will just take one of the cars and not pay for it. I mean people will still buy those cars, so in no way is what I am doing wrong. They are the ones in the wrong!

Right?? Rolling Eyes

ceaon
Posted - 2009.06.30 14:24:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
That car dealership down the street is overpriced. All the people that work there and everyone that was involved in designing, building, marketing, etc. must be rich anyways. So I will just take one of the cars and not pay for it. I mean people will still buy those cars, so in no way is what I am doing wrong. They are the ones in the wrong!

Right?? Rolling Eyes

u cant copyright 1 and 0

Nerhtal Al'Thali
Caldari
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
Posted - 2009.06.30 14:28:00 - [21]
 

One thing i like is the emerging industry of digital distribution. Especially things like Steam. Where it remembers what you've bought. As long as i keep my account in order i will for the forseeable future while Steam is alive have access to my Steam bought games regardless of how many times my HDD dies or new PC's i buy or Windows re-installs i have. Meaning i don't have to buy them again just because i lost the CD when i moved house or whatever.

This has made me buy games more from DD sites / services then going to the store for hard copies. It also, if prices are right, has made me buy games i plan to play not so often for multiplayer with friends at LANs instead of in the past where id take a copied game for the LAN and then probably never play it again until the next LAN.

Same with music and iTunes to a degree, i hear a song i like on the radio. That i decide i want. Instead of paying 3 for a singles cd its 0.79 on iTunes or somesuch. Just feel better doing that then torrenting entire albums.

I have a friend who downloads whole albums but what he does is preview the album for a week or two. See's if he likes it then goes out and buys it. If he doesn't. He actually doesn't keep it any longer, deletes it because he doesnt see any reason to keep it if he doesnt like it.

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.30 15:00:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
That car dealership down the street is overpriced. All the people that work there and everyone that was involved in designing, building, marketing, etc. must be rich anyways. So I will just take one of the cars and not pay for it. I mean people will still buy those cars, so in no way is what I am doing wrong. They are the ones in the wrong!

Right?? Rolling Eyes
Except for the fact is that a car is a physical object and therefore takes physical effort to create and sell, that is why it holds its value. But when you have something that can be copied infinitely by 1 or 2 clicks, then it loses all value.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.06.30 15:48:00 - [23]
 

Now there's a ban if I ever saw one. Buh-bye!

Andrest Disch
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:11:00 - [24]
 

A former person involved with the pirate bay said;

Quote:
To clarify a bit..
TPB has been owned by a company for the last years since the raid so nothing there will really change except the names of the owners. The talk about TPB are going to be a pay site is wrong, the CEO that said that does not know what he is talking about.

Now, the BIG change is that the tracker is going to be outsourced to a new formed company that wont know what they track, just that they connect peers, and the torrent listings will be handed by an other new company that will have torrents but they will not know either content or who is using the torrents. This setup will be practically impossible to take down or find anyone liable to sue.

The 3d party company services will have APIs, so you can on your blog or whatever have your own small torrent listings just as you now pull in twitter feeds. remember how the twitter design totally havoced the iranian attempts to block it as ppl just used another side that pulled in the feeds and read it there instead? well that goes for torrents and TPB to.

All in all, this is not the end of the world as some are seeing it but a rather interesting technical improvement.
And dont worry, not a dime will go to the media industries spectrial prize money what i know of but a really nice fund for doing cool stuff.

/krs - co.founder of TPB and PB, not involved in TPB anymore and have no stake in any cash.



>Source<

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:17:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Rich people win again.

As long as money is given any authority, rich people will always win. It's in the nature of things, you give them power, you obey them, it's in your hand to deprive them of it. Until people get it into their heads that power is given, not taken, nothing will change.


Thus nothing will ever change. The majority of mankind is either too ignorant or too stupid to care.

I don't think I've ever wanted a complete end of humanity so badly before.

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:20:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ceaon

u cant copyright 1 and 0


Actually you can when those 1's and 0's come together to form original content. You are a moron.

Fossil Wolf
omen.
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ceaon
u cant copyright 1 and 0

Originally by: Bestofworst
Except for the fact is that a car is a physical object and therefore takes physical effort to create and sell, that is why it holds its value. But when you have something that can be copied infinitely by 1 or 2 clicks, then it loses all value.

lol OK

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:28:00 - [28]
 

the difference in stealing a car and pirating software is that when you pirate the software, you arent depriving anyone of anything. when you steal a car, the other guy doesnt have a car anymore. With software (or any digital media), its merely a copy.. both you and the guy you pirated from still have it.. Was anything really taken?

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:31:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Fossil Wolf
Originally by: ceaon
u cant copyright 1 and 0

Originally by: Bestofworst
Except for the fact is that a car is a physical object and therefore takes physical effort to create and sell, that is why it holds its value. But when you have something that can be copied infinitely by 1 or 2 clicks, then it loses all value.

lol OK
Nice rebuttal

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:41:00 - [30]
 

Software theft or copy in nontangiable form, is still theft

HOWEVER,

The author is deprived of $5-50. That's it though.

Punishment for stealing should use the following equation to assess damages: (price of product x 5 = Fine)

So pirating a 50 dollar game earns you a 250 dollar maximum fine that goes to the authors. Distribution through p2p etc doesnt matter unless they can be proved without a shadow of doubt that they are the original uploader in which case you should use another formula (30 x price of product = Jailtime in days + price of product x 50 = fine)

Rich people aren't inherently evil. Greedy people are. Contrary to what some of you peons think, there are those who actually have to work hard to become wealthy. Those who are greedy or steal their way to fortune are hated by EVERYONE.


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