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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2009.06.29 11:57:00 - [1]
 

EVE Online Apocrypha 1.3 deployment is now live and Tranquility is open for business. Please note that this is a thread for general feedback, not issues or bugs. A separate thread for issues is here.

Update: Apocrypha 1.3.1 will be deployed on Tuesday, June 30, 2009. Additional information can be found here.

Morscerta
Gallente
Living in the Fridge
Posted - 2009.06.29 13:09:00 - [2]
 

Nice patch I appreciate the termination of freeform contracts

Some Advisor
Posted - 2009.06.29 13:19:00 - [3]
 

now if they would acknowledge the bots and kill ?

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.06.29 13:48:00 - [4]
 

nerfing scamming again

making eve a safer place for the WOW idiots and kids you plan to get with your walk in station (eve-WOW) patch

not changing back the old cyno animation after many many threadanaughts about them

whatever next ccp making scamming against the EULA so you can recieve a nice ban for scamming

making salvaging other people wrecks flaggable or impossable

nerfing eve into a piece of **** wow clone that you seem to want it to be

Elapidae
Posted - 2009.06.29 14:04:00 - [5]
 

Did a clean install just a few weeks ago, so I know that mail used to be sorted newest at the bottom by default. After this patch newest mail is at top.

SpaceZiemniak
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.29 14:18:00 - [6]
 

When will the Singularity server be available? On the download page, it's written that both servers use the same build now. Does it mean we have to wait for a next patch which will make connecting to Singularity possible?

xSnowwhitex
Posted - 2009.06.29 14:29:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Gin G
nerfing scamming again

making eve a safer place for the WOW idiots and kids you plan to get with your walk in station (eve-WOW) patch

not changing back the old cyno animation after many many threadanaughts about them

whatever next ccp making scamming against the EULA so you can recieve a nice ban for scamming

making salvaging other people wrecks flaggable or impossable

nerfing eve into a piece of **** wow clone that you seem to want it to be





i guess you have to reprogram your macro now

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2009.06.29 15:16:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Gin G
nerfing scamming again


more like trying to make it possible to talk in jita local i thinkRolling Eyes

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.06.29 15:20:00 - [9]
 

there valied points in your attempt to find something smart to say you failed pretty badley

as for jita local well didnt they try to do that in the last patch and look how sucessfull that was i wonder how this will turn out

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.06.29 15:30:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gin G
nerfing scamming again

making eve a safer place for the WOW idiots and kids you plan to get with your walk in station (eve-WOW) patch

not changing back the old cyno animation after many many threadanaughts about them

whatever next ccp making scamming against the EULA so you can recieve a nice ban for scamming

making salvaging other people wrecks flaggable or impossable

nerfing eve into a piece of **** wow clone that you seem to want it to be


Unfortunately, I don't think you're going to find much sympathy here. You see, allowed or not, most people don't like scammers. They're considered little more than thieves where I come from - smart thieves yes, but thieves none-the-less. So while the tears may flow, don't expect any of us who don't run scams to care.

JamesLaSalle
Posted - 2009.06.29 15:49:00 - [11]
 

I am not sure increasing the reverse engineering copies as much as you did was a good idea. A ten run BPC from a malfunctioning weapon? I could have seen it going to five that would have increased the valuse, but with ten all you are going to do is have a bunch of useless BPC's lying about as I don't see how salvage is going to catch up to need. Not to mention even if it did, all it would do is literally flood the market. I like the rest of this but you went a tad bit overboard with the runs.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.06.29 16:16:00 - [12]
 

So does this patch fix FW lag or not? I definitely hope so as it's becoming horrible.

Angry Poster
Posted - 2009.06.29 16:33:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Gin G
nerfing scamming again

making eve a safer place for the WOW idiots and kids you plan to get with your walk in station (eve-WOW) patch

not changing back the old cyno animation after many many threadanaughts about them

whatever next ccp making scamming against the EULA so you can recieve a nice ban for scamming

making salvaging other people wrecks flaggable or impossable

nerfing eve into a piece of **** wow clone that you seem to want it to be



I for one welcome the removal of free form contracts. It's a good thing to allow scams in eve but implementing features that are useful for nothing else except scamming is not something I like. Freeforms are like implementing a new system for trading supercaps and giving the seller a "scam" option directly in the menu or something...

I never saw the point of freeforms in the first place (except to scam people) so I think they were useles and nobody will miss them, not even the scammers. Go to Jita, check the scam contracts and you will see that the scammers use Item Exchange or Auction in 99% of the cases. Probably because even they find freeforms useless. Wink

On the other hand I agree that removing all possibilities to scam is also a bad thing but you shouldn't worry too much... tons of people get scammed every day in other games (and in real life) and those games don't have such a complex UI and they still fall for your tricks. So it's not like you were relying on the freeforms as a scammer in the first place.

Archa
Caldari
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
Posted - 2009.06.29 16:53:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Archa on 29/06/2009 16:54:46
Congratulations on a craptastic patch CCP.
For over 5 years I have applauded the hard work you guys have put into this game,
And i'm sure you guys are working hard. But in my oppinion your are completely setting your priorities in the wrong place these days.

The probing system got almost completely destroyed in one your earlier patches and it still isn't fixed.

I hate to say it, but I am utterly disappointed.

Greets
Archa.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.06.29 17:11:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 29/06/2009 17:12:54
Originally by: Gin G
nerfing scamming again

making eve a safer place for the WOW idiots and kids you plan to get with your walk in station (eve-WOW) patch

not changing back the old cyno animation after many many threadanaughts about them

whatever next ccp making scamming against the EULA so you can recieve a nice ban for scamming

making salvaging other people wrecks flaggable or impossable

nerfing eve into a piece of **** wow clone that you seem to want it to be

Freeform contracts were not a good feature as it made scamming not a question of scammer ability, but a question of the victim not knowing the EVE contract mechanics.

This was not a good thing! Now, a scammer will have to WORK for his money! You'll have to sweet-talk the victim into trusting you, and THEN take his money!
This is actually more like how it works in the real world!

Scamming is a great thing in EVE, but success should be dependent on whether you are a good scammer, not whether the victim happen to not know the ins and outs of the contract system!

xSnowwhitex
Posted - 2009.06.29 17:32:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Gin G
there valied points in your attempt to find something smart to say you failed pretty badley

as for jita local well didnt they try to do that in the last patch and look how sucessfull that was i wonder how this will turn out




i don't recall every trying to find anything smart to say i was just pointing out that you scammers need to reprogramme your macro's after this patch

Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.29 17:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: JamesLaSalle
I am not sure increasing the reverse engineering copies as much as you did was a good idea. A ten run BPC from a malfunctioning weapon? I could have seen it going to five that would have increased the valuse, but with ten all you are going to do is have a bunch of useless BPC's lying about as I don't see how salvage is going to catch up to need. Not to mention even if it did, all it would do is literally flood the market. I like the rest of this but you went a tad bit overboard with the runs.


Obviously it will reduce invention cost, and thus lower the cost of t3 ships. That was the whole point.

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.06.29 18:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: xSnowwhitex
Originally by: Gin G
there valied points in your attempt to find something smart to say you failed pretty badley

as for jita local well didnt they try to do that in the last patch and look how sucessfull that was i wonder how this will turn out




i don't recall every trying to find anything smart to say i was just pointing out that you scammers need to reprogramme your macro's after this patch


so now your accusing me if using a macro and being a scammer thanks a bundle

also no one going to comment on the cyno effect

Braaage
Ministry of Craft
Posted - 2009.06.29 18:12:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Braaage on 29/06/2009 18:36:01
CCP

Have all the relics the same outcome equation but just give different run BPCs now or does the wrecked still yield less chance of success from the malfunctioning and Intact relics?

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.06.29 18:22:00 - [20]
 

Sorting out the 99% CPU modules is good. The old way was just needlessly confusing, and it'll mean fewer noobs coming to the Help channel wanting to know why they can't fit their Retriever properly.

Don't mind freeforms going. They were never used for anything except scams, so they were basically only there to defraud noobs. Though I'm curious if the tinfoil from the scammers will approach the levels in the ghost training thread?

JamesLaSalle
Posted - 2009.06.29 18:26:00 - [21]
 

The point is you need a balance. The new patch increases the number of datacores available, which means an inventor has the opportunity to try more times. On average, in a nine box mag site you can get about 15 wrecked or malufunctioning subsytems. With reverse engineering five and my sciences at level four I hit about 50% of the time using wrecked relics in reverse engineering before the patch and mag sites are easy to find. The increase in datacores available means I will hopefully no longer have 40 t0 50 spare wrecked relics in my hanger waiting to be invented on...that solves the cost problem. What I now get is a salvaging problem. Demand on salvage will go up if the person inventing tries to build all the runs he has because he will not have enough parts scavanged to actually build the components needed for all the runs he has.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2009.06.29 20:09:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 29/06/2009 20:10:50
My overview is not working I see 2 of everything on it. I have to keep resetting it.

Posts keep disappearing on the forum, is that a caching bug?

Taattii
Posted - 2009.06.29 20:13:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Taattii on 29/06/2009 20:14:02
Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 29/06/2009 17:12:54
Originally by: Gin G
nerfing scamming again

making eve a safer place for the WOW idiots and kids you plan to get with your walk in station (eve-WOW) patch

not changing back the old cyno animation after many many threadanaughts about them

whatever next ccp making scamming against the EULA so you can recieve a nice ban for scamming

making salvaging other people wrecks flaggable or impossable

nerfing eve into a piece of **** wow clone that you seem to want it to be

Freeform contracts were not a good feature as it made scamming not a question of scammer ability, but a question of the victim not knowing the EVE contract mechanics.

This was not a good thing! Now, a scammer will have to WORK for his money! You'll have to sweet-talk the victim into trusting you, and THEN take his money!
This is actually more like how it works in the real world!

Scamming is a great thing in EVE, but success should be dependent on whether you are a good scammer, not whether the victim happen to not know the ins and outs of the contract system!



Soon they will remove pvp from eve as it will be considered bad. (They have kinda done this already in this patch since the overview doesn't work properly)

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2009.06.29 20:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 29/06/2009 20:10:50
My overview is not working I see 2 of everything on it. I have to keep resetting it.

Posts keep disappearing on the forum, is that a caching bug?


Please keep your issues on the issues thread. This one is specifically for feedback.

Josehpine
Posted - 2009.06.29 20:56:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Braaage
Edited by: Braaage on 29/06/2009 18:36:01
CCP

Have all the relics the same outcome equation but just give different run BPCs now or does the wrecked still yield less chance of success from the malfunctioning and Intact relics?


good quesion. Id like an answer to that too!

from the patch notes it seems they only changed runs and not the chances. I hope they didnt miss to tell in the patch notes.

Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.29 20:58:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Moonlight Express on 29/06/2009 20:59:01
POS warfare just got a lot easier as well. Best feature of eve is putting up POSes as fast as you can and then wasting months of people’s time to destroy them. This game is just getting better and better. ugh

EVE used to be a PVP game where you had to fight for space. Now it's carebears putting up POSes as fast as they can, replacing them as soon as they get destroyed and shooting them for months when enemies are sleeping while out blobbing with Titans. What a waste of a game has EVE become. Pathetic.

Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
Truth and Reconciliation Council
Posted - 2009.06.29 21:29:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Josehpine
Originally by: Braaage
Edited by: Braaage on 29/06/2009 18:36:01
CCP

Have all the relics the same outcome equation but just give different run BPCs now or does the wrecked still yield less chance of success from the malfunctioning and Intact relics?


good quesion. Id like an answer to that too!

from the patch notes it seems they only changed runs and not the chances. I hope they didnt miss to tell in the patch notes.



Yes I would like to see this question answered as well. If the quality of the relic still affects the chance to Reverse Engineer as well as the number of runs on the end product bpc then the small empire based corps will be priced right out of T3 production.

I have no issue with the higher quality relics giving an advantage to the larger, better equiped corps that can manage to conquer the class 4,5 and 6 w-holes, more risk equals more reward after all, but if the quality affects chance as well as number of runs then it seems like a double hit to the smaller empire corps.

Kaylan Jahlar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.29 21:34:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Update: Apocrypha 1.3.1 will be deployed on Tuesday, June 30, 2009. Additional information can be found here.

Can we possibly have more details on the content of this quick fix please?

xSnowwhitex
Posted - 2009.06.29 21:51:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Update: Apocrypha 1.3.1 will be deployed on Tuesday, June 30, 2009. Additional information can be found here.

Can we possibly have more details on the content of this quick fix please?




i was going to post that :P

Dipluz
Caldari
Notorious Legion
Posted - 2009.06.29 22:02:00 - [30]
 

I am using my phobos and whenever I start eve again, I have to remove the warp disruption script in my in my warp disruption field generator and reload it again to be able to warp disrupt again! plz look into this! YARRRR!!


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