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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.06.30 08:04:00 - [61]
 

Why are so many countries starting to have this idea... Good lord. In an age where virtual entertainment is at an ever-growing high too.

This is the job of parents - not the govermnent. They're wasting everybodies time even getting involved in this. Is it so hard to see a game with a 15+ tag on it, and NOT give it to a kid under 15 years old?

Grr.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.06.30 08:12:00 - [62]
 

One reaps as one sows.

I am assuming they have a democratic system, politicians that are willing to take such sweeping measures are commonly easily identified as raving lunatics before elections .. vote for the other guy.

Doubt anything will happen though, too much money on the line .. money > standpoints!

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.06.30 08:18:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Why are so many countries starting to have this idea

Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.06.30 08:39:00 - [64]
 

Looks like Task Force Argos just had a nocturnal discharge.

Tara Moss
Posted - 2009.06.30 09:05:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Tara Moss on 30/06/2009 09:06:41
Well I'm Aussie.

If it becomes illegal to import & sell unrated games...does that mean our police & customs are obliged to pursue such activity?

Defending Aussie shores against the evil of video games. What a great use of resources Neutral

Edit: Removed the obscenities Embarassed

Southern Suzy
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.30 09:17:00 - [66]
 

that would save us from a lot of stupid "move downtime" posts Exclamation

sxndy
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2009.06.30 09:23:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: sxndy on 30/06/2009 09:25:02

The good news is that in Scotland the Government is passing a law that makes it illegal for people not to play violent online games.

This comes in the wake of the terrorist event in Glasgow when they tried to blow up the Airport.

The Police ran away and innocent bystanders were left to deal with the bombers. All of the terrorist were brought under control and one or two were given a sound kicking to make sure they understood exactly which country they were trying to fo0k with.

The Scottish Government was so impressed that they have decided to reduce the cowardly Police numbers and encourage the indigenous population to deal with terrorism. Violent online games have been seen as a way to temper the nerves and increase the reaction time of the populace.

hip hip hora, for Violent online games!!



sucks to be an Aussy, hardlines guys

Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:14:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Why are so many countries starting to have this idea

Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)



Agreed. Hence why people are totally ****ing stupid this day and age, they can't think for themselves anymore.

Highlord DS
Posted - 2009.06.30 10:37:00 - [69]
 

This sooo reminds me of the censorship of piratebay in denmark

While of course the objective in that move was to stop pirating, its still disgusts me. I mean there is like 150 other ways to get stuff illegally anyway, and the pricipal line they had to cross to get it done is just... I leak the words to express my disgust.

And the WORST part of it, is that 3 mins later, there was 20 guides and tutorials on the web on how to BYPASS it. I myself don't use it too much, however there is the odd movie here and there I might look for (films you can't buy or get anymore), and it took me 3 mins and 27 secs (I timed it) to get around it.

Its just stupid...

Elite Contract
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:37:00 - [70]
 

AUSFAILIA
AUSFAILIA
AUSFAILIA
AUSFAILIA
AUSFAILIA

1CE WIND
Minmatar
Lyptica
DEFI4NT
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:39:00 - [71]
 

yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away

but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.

Kel'dar Drax
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:58:00 - [72]
 


Australia...the largest 'Sergeants Mess' in the world...old British Army saying. Very Happy

Astrixx
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:02:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: 1CE WIND
yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away

but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.


you a bad troll. you can still get an abortion in the US if you want. In fact the setup is much the same as australia.. each state has its own laws. One merely needs to go to another state if one wants an abortion.

Short version: your country is still AUSFAILIA

Rachel Silverside
Caldari
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:15:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 30/06/2009 12:16:39
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Why are so many countries starting to have this idea

Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)


type DiHydrogenMonoxide into google Wink lol@ Kiwi land

Corvin Demeter
Caldari
Legio XII Fulminata
Ferrum 26
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:17:00 - [75]
 



Government of the people, by the people, for the people...hmm, nice concept, I wonder when any country will actually dare to implement it?




Rachel Silverside
Caldari
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:19:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Astrixx
Originally by: 1CE WIND
yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away

but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.


you a bad troll. you can still get an abortion in the US if you want. In fact the setup is much the same as australia.. each state has its own laws. One merely needs to go to another state if one wants an abortion.

Short version: your country is still AUSFAILIA


lol look at this (its an old article but wtf) United States of Fail and thats just George Bush's mistakes

Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:19:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Typhado3 on 30/06/2009 12:25:03
Sad this makes me sad to be an Australian, and this isn't the first time. I love Australia but our IT industry is going to **** so badly I am seriously considering leaving once I finish my degree.


I try to take this from both sides of those who are trying to ban sites like /b/ etc. while others are arguing they'll be banning everything up to google and claiming government conspiracies. But then I see things like the government moving this plan in without any public announcements and ignoring public opinion, keeping the list of blacklisted sites secret and adding political sites. The Australian government isn't exactly good at listening to it's people when it's doing something wrong and this feels like one of those times.

As much as I want to believe they would never try and ban eve I remember things like mass effect a few years ago and how it was represented to the public. In reality it had a sex scene with side boob, ass and a lot of suggestive stuff... not something you'd want your kids seeing but not the worst thing I've seen. Then I look how it was represented in the media YouTube linky (bad quality): where in short they say it's a highly graphic game with full frontal nudity where you control every intimate and dirty act with a strong overtone of male dominance.

Now I look at how eve is. In eve you can easily kill entire colonies and cities worth of people with a very gruesome back story. You can also own people including slaves, exotic dancers, prostitutes. There is also the rather large drug issue where you can make, use and sell drugs where special drugs can even be seen to have beneficial effects. Hell in Eve I'm a drug dealing corpse collecting brothel owner, and that's before those arguing against EVE try distorting the truth or putting any spin on it.

this does not look good for eve Crying or Very sad


PS: one other thing to add that non-Australians might not know, our government has always had graphic public service adds such as a showing graphic car crashes involving small children and yet it has crazy censorship laws like this Confused

Is this a part of my signature?

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:29:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Rachel Silverside
Edited by: Rachel Silverside on 30/06/2009 12:16:39
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Why are so many countries starting to have this idea

Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)


type DiHydrogenMonoxide into google Wink lol@ Kiwi land


lol epic thats pure class ^^

Astrixx
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:33:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Rachel Silverside
Originally by: Astrixx
Originally by: 1CE WIND
yes australia sucks oh noes civil liberties taken away

but at least we dont have to go to mexico to have abortions aye.


you a bad troll. you can still get an abortion in the US if you want. In fact the setup is much the same as australia.. each state has its own laws. One merely needs to go to another state if one wants an abortion.

Short version: your country is still AUSFAILIA


lol look at this (its an old article but wtf) United States of Fail and thats just George Bush's mistakes


thx, highly relevant to abortion or banning computer games. Rolling Eyes

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2009.06.30 13:22:00 - [80]
 

The answer is the same, regardless the country: FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Angelic Visage
Posted - 2009.06.30 13:52:00 - [81]
 

What will be good is when in another generations time all the politicians and the general society as a whole will actually not be as ignorant about videogames.

The main points people put up in this thread that stick in my head is things like the RC classification issue that seems integral to this whole ban thing. Ignorant politicans who didnt grow up with gaming not able to understand it as a result fail to make any reasonable or informed law about it.

Games should have the same classifications as movies because they are an entertainment business. This will all happen again with the next new growing entertainment gadget. (Remember, Rock music was music of the devil at one point, so where books probably same as videogames have been for the last 30 years)

Roxanna Kell
Anormalii S.A.
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.30 13:56:00 - [82]
 

What ever happened to freedom? why do this f*****G aristocrats think they know whats best for us? or do they jsut want to assure a better future for them? an abiding non violent society?

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.06.30 14:06:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Huge Bruno
BAN religion now. (Controversial, I know - not intended as flamebait)
BAN all forms of censorship in online-media.
BAN stupid ideas.
BAN OLD THINKING.

FORCE all federal/government/state employed people to go through ALL of their ideas first before being introduced on the public - IE. if someone introduces a new tax-scheme, let them suffer it first. For at least 1 year before being introduced to the public.



First off, its a bit stupid to ban censorship, but then ban religion. Its all about the freedom of thought and expression.

Second about the state employed people enduring something, I highly doubt the politicians supporting these anti-video games bills are playing GTA when they get home. They are a different generation, who maybe only played pacman. The best way would be to have a Direct Democracy like switzerland has so we can stop these ******ed laws.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.30 15:26:00 - [84]
 

This seems to be a "good" in theory bad in practice idea. The theory being that the parents/guardians will care enough to look into what their children are actually doing as opposed to the practice of the kid whining enough to get their way or to have their older sibling go out and buy the game for them.

The rules change but the gameplay remains the same until parents fundimentally wake up and realize that children dont raise themselves.

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.30 15:46:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Huge Bruno
BAN religion now. (Controversial, I know - not intended as flamebait)
BAN all forms of censorship in online-media.
BAN stupid ideas.
BAN OLD THINKING.

FORCE all federal/government/state employed people to go through ALL of their ideas first before being introduced on the public - IE. if someone introduces a new tax-scheme, let them suffer it first. For at least 1 year before being introduced to the public.



First off, its a bit stupid to ban censorship, but then ban religion. Its all about the freedom of thought and expression.

Second about the state employed people enduring something, I highly doubt the politicians supporting these anti-video games bills are playing GTA when they get home. They are a different generation, who maybe only played pacman. The best way would be to have a Direct Democracy like switzerland has so we can stop these ******ed laws.
Obviously though when I think of a politician I think of a man who went to law school or harvard or some fancy school of some sort, and does nothing but wears a suite, plays golf and goes to meetings and could care less about what happens to video games because it doesn't inconvenience him in the slightest.

Tranca
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:06:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Typhado3
Edited by: Typhado3 on 30/06/2009 12:25:03
Sad this makes me sad to be an Australian, and this isn't the first time. I love Australia but our IT industry is going to **** so badly I am seriously considering leaving once I finish my degree.


I try to take this from both sides of those who are trying to ban sites like /b/ etc. while others are arguing they'll be banning everything up to google and claiming government conspiracies. But then I see things like the government moving this plan in without any public announcements and ignoring public opinion, keeping the list of blacklisted sites secret and adding political sites. The Australian government isn't exactly good at listening to it's people when it's doing something wrong and this feels like one of those times.

As much as I want to believe they would never try and ban eve I remember things like mass effect a few years ago and how it was represented to the public. In reality it had a sex scene with side boob, ass and a lot of suggestive stuff... not something you'd want your kids seeing but not the worst thing I've seen. Then I look how it was represented in the media YouTube linky (bad quality): where in short they say it's a highly graphic game with full frontal nudity where you control every intimate and dirty act with a strong overtone of male dominance.

Now I look at how eve is. In eve you can easily kill entire colonies and cities worth of people with a very gruesome back story. You can also own people including slaves, exotic dancers, prostitutes. There is also the rather large drug issue where you can make, use and sell drugs where special drugs can even be seen to have beneficial effects. Hell in Eve I'm a drug dealing corpse collecting brothel owner, and that's before those arguing against EVE try distorting the truth or putting any spin on it.

this does not look good for eve Crying or Very sad


PS: one other thing to add that non-Australians might not know, our government has always had graphic public service adds such as a showing graphic car crashes involving small children and yet it has crazy censorship laws like this Confused

Is this a part of my signature?



Then you and your countrymen need to get off your asses and take your country back from the the government. Failure to act means you don't give a **** anymore and are giving your government the green light to run YOUR life as THEY see fit.

Stop whining about it and DO something about it!!!!!!!!!!!! The PEOPLE have the real power but only when THEY decide to USE IT!!!

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:07:00 - [87]
 

Wow this looks scary for some games. Good thing for EVE Online though, we have a PG rating in Australia! Check it out: www.oflc.gov.au.

Thanks to that rating hopefully we can pull more of our Australian friends in when they are banned from other inferior games.

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:18:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Wow this looks scary for some games. Good thing for EVE Online though, we have a PG rating in Australia! Check it out: www.oflc.gov.au.

Thanks to that rating hopefully we can pull more of our Australian friends in when they are banned from other inferior games.


Regardless of my feelings in censorship, I fully agree with this statement.

yaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrYARRRR!!

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:34:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Taradis
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Why are so many countries starting to have this idea

Probably a big factor is the decline in the level of intellect present in public discourse. The media loves to sensationalize human interest stories like some kid who plays games and also does something bad IRL. Politicians love to champion some cause, however stupid, in an effort to get votes. The public falls for the media stories and gravitates towards the politicians who promise to fix the fictional problem of violent video games (or whatever the issue at hand happens to be.)



Agreed. Hence why people are totally ****ing stupid this day and age, they can't think for themselves anymore.


Television has more of an effect on intelligence level. I spend a moderate time being a gamer because its cheaper then going to the pub every night, and drinking reduces your intelligence. The rest of my time is spent working, learning, and getting yet another degree.

It's funny that the majority of people who want censorship or want, in general, laws that remove freedom, are TV watchers. I know a lot of people that buy into whats said on TV about basically everything, and the vast majority of what is on TV is a complete lie anyways. (at least here in the US it is)

I dare you to watch a program on the economy and then fact check it. Or watch a newsreport about something going on in another country and fact check it.

And people won't think for themselves regardless. You don't just start cracking down using tyranny just because the majority of humanity is stupid and ignorant. What about those of us that do think, and aren't ignorant. There are better solutions to this problem.

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.30 16:42:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987


It doesn't matter if parents refuse responsibility. In fact I don't give a **** what the parents say. Their child IS their responsibility until they reach the age of majority.

This is fact, this is law. Follow the law or suffer for your disobedience. We need to spend more time punishing those who break the laws and less time trying to make more laws that do nothing other then punish those who are responsible on top of not fixing the existing problems.

The more I follow the various events around the world, the more I see a society that no longer thinks. You don't contemplate your actions. You don't consider the freedoms that you are giving up to your government when you 'censor' things. You truly cannot trust anyone in this world and yet it seems like most people trust their government the most. They are the last people you want to trust.


Your inflated self worth is incredibly entertaining. So how's the move to another country coming along?


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