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Tre Circuit
Posted - 2010.04.28 00:00:00 - [1561]
 

Originally by: Titans 4U
I'm still waiting on isk from:

500 Promethian Child
500 Dafydd ab'Rhys
500 Psy Te'r
1000 Tre Circuit
900 CrazyArsed Monkey


ISK sent, sorry for the delay.

Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.04.28 04:12:00 - [1562]
 

I'm still waiting on isk from:

500 Dafydd ab'Rhys
900 CrazyArsed Monkey

All other shares have been sent out.

Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.04.28 05:56:00 - [1563]
 

The BPO owner started their unlock vote yesterday, so it should be on contract to me today.


Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari
Quantum Horizons
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.28 12:49:00 - [1564]
 

Hi there

Sorry for the delay. Work been "Interesting" so it has taken me longer to liquidate my datacores

But 500M sent for shares now

Cheers
Dafydd

Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.04.28 19:05:00 - [1565]
 

I'm still waiting on isk from:

900 CrazyArsed Monkey

All other shares have been sent out.


CrazyArsed Monkey
Minmatar
Cercopithecus Aethiops Manufacturing
Posted - 2010.04.28 23:14:00 - [1566]
 

Paid mate, sorry for delay Embarassed

CAM

ginlaan
Posted - 2010.04.29 00:17:00 - [1567]
 

wish to purchase 1000 shares = Ginlaan

Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.04.29 05:05:00 - [1568]
 

The ME2 Avatar Titan BPO has arrived at the SuperSekrit POS, the lockdown vote has begun and it has started copying.

Originally by: Titans 4U
Products For Sale

1. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD.

2. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.

3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due MAY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.

4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.

5. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.

6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.

7. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.

8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.

9. RAGNAROK BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.

10. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 7.5 BILLION.

11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.

GavinCapacitor
Posted - 2010.04.29 20:37:00 - [1569]
 

Originally by: Titans 4U


6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.

9. RAGNAROK BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.




Please excuse/ignore me if this is blatantly obvious (especially with the non-sense in the last 3 pages of this thread I was just read), but why/how are we selling Ragnarok BPC's ?

I'm so confused.

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2010.04.29 20:48:00 - [1570]
 

I am guessing he bougt them when there was less demand? like he said somewhere earlyer in this very thread?

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.04.29 20:54:00 - [1571]
 

Originally by: Titans 4U

8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.

11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.

I wonder why is it more expensive to preorder than to buy right now? wouldn't it be the other way?

Terrare Vordai
Posted - 2010.04.29 21:12:00 - [1572]
 

Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Titans 4U

8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.

11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.

I wonder why is it more expensive to preorder than to buy right now? wouldn't it be the other way?


Sorry if it's a duh moment... item 8 is a ME0 BPO while item 11 is a ME2 BPO.

Terrare

Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.04.30 04:22:00 - [1573]
 

Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Please excuse/ignore me if this is blatantly obvious (especially with the non-sense in the last 3 pages of this thread I was just read), but why/how are we selling Ragnarok BPC's ?

Originally by: Martosh Toma
I am guessing he bougt them when there was less demand? like he said somewhere earlyer in this very thread?

Yes, I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.

Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.


Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.04.30 12:12:00 - [1574]
 

Originally by: Titans 4U
The ME2 Avatar Titan BPO has arrived at the SuperSekrit POS, the lockdown vote has begun and it has started copying.

The lockdown vote has completed.

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.05.01 16:02:00 - [1575]
 

Originally by: Terrare Vordai
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Titans 4U

8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.

11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.

I wonder why is it more expensive to preorder than to buy right now? wouldn't it be the other way?


Sorry if it's a duh moment... item 8 is a ME0 BPO while item 11 is a ME2 BPO.

Terrare
I missed that little detail. Embarassed

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.07 18:41:00 - [1576]
 

Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel
If you are able to source BPCs for resale, is it worth creating some reserve within the IPO for trade opportunities?

Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Please excuse/ignore me if this is blatantly obvious (especially with the non-sense in the last 3 pages of this thread I was just read), but why/how are we selling Ragnarok BPC's ?

Originally by: Martosh Toma
I am guessing he bougt them when there was less demand? like he said somewhere earlyer in this very thread?

Yes, I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.

Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.

It is entirely possible for us to form a reserve of BPCs during low points in the market, when supply is stronger than demand. This would serve as a long position on Titan BPC prices, speculating on a rise. This would also serve as a means of smoothing over the somewhat erratic supply and enabling us to take advantage of occasional oppertunities caused by shortages. It would also allow us to exert more control over the Titan BPC market in general and have more influence on market prices.

If shareholders wish, I'm quite happy to extend the IPO to do this. We could use a combination of a mini-expansion and a small ongoing profit retention to build and grow such a reserve.

Feel free to discuss the idea. If there is enough support to justify putting it to a shareholder vote, I will.

Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
Posted - 2010.05.07 18:49:00 - [1577]
 

Originally by: Titans 4U
I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.

Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.

Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?

Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2010.05.07 19:01:00 - [1578]
 

Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U
I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.

Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.

Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?


Long as he sells Titans4U bpc's prior to his personal ones he bought dont see why he should. I use LYII for many things, some personal some for the IPO.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.07 19:02:00 - [1579]
 

Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U
I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.

Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.

Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?

Are you serious?

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.07 19:07:00 - [1580]
 

Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U
I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.

Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.

Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?


Long as he sells Titans4U bpc's prior to his personal ones he bought dont see why he should. I use LYII for many things, some personal some for the IPO.

Exactly. If you look at the shop history, you can see that I've avoided listing personal BPCs that are in direct competition with Titans For You's available stock. I've been concentrating on Ragnaroks and other flavours that we're sold out of.

I've got my investor's interests at heart, not least of all because I'm the largest single investor.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.07 19:42:00 - [1581]
 

In order to prevent any conflict of interest, I'm entirely happy with doing any of the following as part of any reserve building expansion:

1) Transfer my stock into the reserve and cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs.
2) Keep my stock seperate form the reserve, sell off my remaining BPCs and then cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs.

Either way, I'd focus all my trading efforts on the reserve.

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2010.05.07 20:19:00 - [1582]
 

Edited by: SetrakDark on 07/05/2010 20:19:22
Again from my experience watching the BPC market, since it takes so long to produce a BPC, there are billions to be made from market smoothing. Furthermore, there is really only room for 1 maybe two players in that market, and T4U is in a prime position to be that player. If Bobby is willing to play that role with shareholder money, they should pounce on the opportunity, as both price control for produced BPCs and revenue in its own right.

I've got a lot on my Eve plate right now, but I'll try to track and contribute to this topic as best I can.

Phoebe Halliwel
Posted - 2010.05.07 22:27:00 - [1583]
 

Originally by: Bad Bobby
In order to prevent any conflict of interest, I'm entirely happy with doing any of the following as part of any reserve building expansion:

1) Transfer my stock into the reserve and cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs.
2) Keep my stock seperate form the reserve, sell off my remaining BPCs and then cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs.

Either way, I'd focus all my trading efforts on the reserve.

There is some real potential for this from what I've seen; a number of people sell off Titan BPCs cheap simply because they don't have the profile, time or patience to market them for an extended period. Titans4U has the profile, long term if the IPO remains stable that should increase, and I imagine you personally are able to market the BPCs appropriately. If you are willing to focus all of your trading efforts in this area, it has real potential.

If you resell Titan BPCs under the T4U name it only adds to the "branding" imo. Whether you do this for personal profit or for the shareholders, it isn't damaging to shareholders, neither is it profiting at their expense. Up to you and the rest of the shareholders whether they want to support this, you may need to show some numbers to back this section of the market up. Either way you have my support (miniscule that is is). I would prefer to have the opportunity to purchase trading stocks, but if you are forced to run this as a personal venture, still can't see any problem with the BPCs being marketed by T4U as it increases exposure.

Thanks for the response by the way, thought it had gone unnoticed in there but didn't like to push as it was clearly a busy period.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.08 05:55:00 - [1584]
 

Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel
Thanks for the response by the way, thought it had gone unnoticed in there but didn't like to push as it was clearly a busy period.

I tend to go back and re-read the last few pages of this thread every so often to see if there are any questions or issues I have missed.

I agree with the comments so far, forming a reserve does seem like the right thing to do for the IPO.

As far as figures go, I'm inclined to propose a small starting reserve with an ongoing profit retention to gradually enlarge it. I think 20b would be sufficient to get things started and I would suggest that 50% of all profits generated directly from the reserve go back into the reserve (existing T4U operations are not effected) and 50% of all profits generated directly from the reserve go into the normal T4U profit share. The retained profits would enlarge the T4U NAV, increase our buying power, increase profits and increase the final share value.

I'd rather not go too deeply into the numbers for profits from my personal BPC trading as (1) that is past performance not future performance (2) the reserve will be largely speculative and (3) the market is changing quite rapidly so any predictions are mostly guesswork. However, if we were to divide the reserve's function into two parts (A) smoothing the market and (B) speculating on future prices I would expect that (A) would have little difficulty yielding 1b in profits per month (5% profit on 20b, 2.5% profit share, 2.5% retained) but (B) would be much more feast and famine in its returns as we rely on longer term market movements. So overall I would expect the reserve to at least provide the same return as the existing T4U operation and I would be optimistic that, if things go to plan, it would generate higher returns in itself as well as enhancing the profitability of the existing operation through market control.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.05.08 07:38:00 - [1585]
 

Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 08/05/2010 07:38:49

No manipulation holds forever.

Make sure to have firm guidelines on what to do in case of trouble (oversupply/weak demand) and when to activate an exit strategy. IMO the biggest danger to this type of business is you hoping to sit out slumps in demand, recognizing too late that demand won't increase anytime soon, or getting played by competitors (if they manage to sell you just a little more BPCs than you can sell in each timeframe, the additional profit might very well make up for the lost margin - and if you stop buying up that small surplus the prices on your whole stock of BPCs might plummet).

I guess at some point you will be forced to transition to a more sustainable business model (long-term supply contracts with large alliances, whatever... - you might want to look up the history of De Beers during the 90s and early 21st century for inspiration). I guess your investors would be pleased to hear that you have plans how this transition is going to look like/work out.

Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar
Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
Posted - 2010.05.08 07:48:00 - [1586]
 

I'm in favor of a reserve for BPC purchases. T4U would be able to sell beyond beyond what copying can produce, And that portion would be self-sustaining after the starter money went in.

Would it be possible that the reserve could payback the starter money into dividends at some point if things went very well, And be completely self-sustaining afterward? Possibly even continue on it's own without the POS to make copies?

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.08 08:01:00 - [1587]
 

Originally by: Bob Rockbreaker
Would it be possible that the reserve could payback the starter money into dividends at some point if things went very well, And be completely self-sustaining afterward? Possibly even continue on it's own without the POS to make copies?
In a sense, yes. Profits from the reserve would be paid out in dividends so that all shareholders would benefit and eventually the equivalent of the starter money would be back in the pockets of those that provided it. Any other implementation would be awkward and a little strange. The reserve could opperate without the POS, but if we were to shut down the POS we would probably be liquidating the whole venture so I don't see that happening.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.05.08 08:06:00 - [1588]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
you might want to look up the history of De Beers during the 90s and early 21st century for inspiration

I'm extremely familiar with De Beers already, there is no need for research. Wink

cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2010.05.08 08:52:00 - [1589]
 

Is it really worth it at this point?

The beauty of T4U is the minimal work, so why bother creating some for minimal gains.

Lets say you trade 5-10 Titan BPC's a year, that will net you 5-10B in profits at most. Roughly 0.125-0.25% ROI per month on what will be a 300B IPO.


Titans 4U
Titans For You
Posted - 2010.05.08 09:55:00 - [1590]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
Is it really worth it at this point?

The beauty of T4U is the minimal work, so why bother creating some for minimal gains.

It's not like buying and selling a few BPC's is back breaking work, or even anything that I'm not already doing.


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