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Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:02:00 - [1]
 

im looking for a capital ship, im in a small corp and money is for me to make without any support so i have time to get the sills, support skills and anything else im gonna need. My question is; which one?
Im caldari and have no intention of training skills in another race for something this big. So my options are: Chimera, Wyvern,Phoenix and Leviathan. Can u suggest which one u would choose and y.
( oh and please no comments about ' u should join a new corp' 'u should aim lower while u r still fairly new', cause im going for it irregardless)

Poses
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:06:00 - [2]
 

you should aim lower but

titans and motherships (leviathan and wyvern) require sov in 0.0 to build... titans all most never sell conventially, and motherships are ridiculously expensive and serve no practical purpose (neither can dock at stations).

So i would recommend carrier or dread 1st.

2nd, i would go carrier since its longer jump range and bigger 'cargo' capacity makes it much more useful for beyond its main role

Inaara Serra
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:08:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Inaara Serra on 24/06/2009 13:10:12
Carrier (aka Chimera).
- only way to transport rigged ships (and/or massive amounts of ships)
- good for boosting the shield of your POS after its been attacked
- good with a Caldari/Minmatar BS gang as logistic support

most importantly, why NOT to choose the others:
dread: only good for sieging POS and cap fleets
mothership: requires 100% attention as it cant dock - so you need to fly it permanently or risk it getting stolen (which you do not want for a 25bn ship)
titan: see mothership, but more people hunting you and 90bn+

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:10:00 - [4]
 

right ok, well in my small corp im one of 2 of the mian logistical people, i mainly run mining ops, the other is my friend whos transport ops, he is going for either the nyx or the than...other one, which i am going to suggest to the cheaper and more gainable bits of it. plus since we r making the money it would be very expensive( well way more than it is atm) but my carrir, or sub carrier the chimera kinda sucks by comparison and i dont see the point, but im a little skecthy about the phoenix as well.

NeoFusion
Caldari
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:11:00 - [5]
 

If you are adamant about getting a capital, firstly determine what role each capital ship fills, read a bit about them, look at the prices and realise that you'll likely only every be able to fly two of them. Do your research, speak to other pilots who fly them and you'll find out why.

There is no point aiming for a ship just because it is a capital, only to find you spin it in your hangar 95% of the time.

Secondly, determine which of these roles you or your corporation require or one they could benefit from/are lacking. Hauling ships, taking down POS, destroying hostile capitals, station hugging, etc. etc.

By the time you get to this point, you'll know which ship you want without having to ask others, or you'll just be put off capitals completely. Wink

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:16:00 - [6]
 

well not to brag but im smart, and i have looked into both ships in great detail, and our corp neither requires either, but since half the corp is about as full of life as a cemetery in an abandoned churchyard i no nothing about wat we need. both would be of use, some of our mebers r pirates but on a small scale, nothign as big as starbase sieges, however the phoenix would be of use in matters in the corp as would the chimera for both shipping, and skirmish avoidance, i mean a small bc is not going to think twice at a iant asd the phoenix or even the chimera with its drone bays, and the jump does not hugely concern me as it requires rediculous amounts of fuel, i probably wont use, i coulod sue asking pilots but i dont no any and havent seen either of the ships in person. i also dont no about things once i have the ship that r unseeable until i get it.

Poses
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:18:00 - [7]
 

o.O FFS never take your carrier to a belt EVER unless you have a bad ass support fleet and you are killing someone else

EVER

YOU WILL DIE

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:19:00 - [8]
 

o ladies and gentlemen we have a genius aboard, well f**** derrr, but everyone is troubled by small pirates and both help stop the small, if a large pirate fleet comes im probably screwed in both since they probably no im coming.

Inaara Serra
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:21:00 - [9]
 

if youre really thinking about getting a carrier, watch this:
Linkage

Poses
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:21:00 - [10]
 

welp... i tried, what system do you typically mine in Twisted Evil

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:24:00 - [11]
 

no fixed, erm, kinda everywhere, depends on the team, there is no default and ok.

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:34:00 - [12]
 

so basically:

Phoenix
powerful
fleet support
expensive
can be targeted

Chimera
good transport
cheaper
also taregted
long jump range


Anything important i missed?

Evanglion
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.24 13:51:00 - [13]
 

Carriers are isk sinks and you never really use them when you actually got them.. all i ever use the carrier for is : 1 undock on an camp rep fleetmembers attacking camp and dock back up again. 2: transporting **** for people.. you dont get big fights with them unless ur in an major alliance and even then you will probably die in the first 30 seconds Wink

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:10:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lupus Pyro

Anything important i missed?


Yes, and that is that you and your corp have no business having a carrier.

You may not want to hear it, but that whole 'you're not ready for a carrier' thing is very, very true.

Common rookie mistakes made when deciding to aim for a capital:

1: 4 BSs can kill it, quite easily if they're set up right. You're not an uberwtfpwnmobile.

2:You have no real use for it unless you like in null/lowsec, and even then it's little more than a glorified hauler most of the time, very rarely will your carrier be used in proper combat, unless of course you ignore point 3 which is

3: If you ignore point 1 (which many new people do) and do something stupid like, say, think it a good idea to "defend" your mining op with the carrier, you'll have a 20man BS gang on you so fast you won't know what happened.

4:I promise you that if you try to use that carrier in any kind of combat it'll be dead in a week, because you've not the experience flying in/with cap fleets to know how to use it properly.

5: Aside from the rorqual, capital ships are pretty much exclusively for pvp. Carriers get used to jump ships around as well, but in the end if you're going to have it undocked for more than a minute at a time, it's gonna be to pewpew someone. You don't sound like much of a pvper to me (using a word like "powerful" to describe the positive aspects of a dread for example), so I doubt you'd get much use out of a cap.

6: (last one, and the most important)
Losing a capital ship will kill your corp. I've seen several corps made up of newer players disband because of the drama of losing a capital ship. You WILL lose it assuming you actually use the thing (and if you don't then why buy one?), and how your corp handles it depends entirely on how long they've been playing and how little they care about their ships.

It'll probably go down like this: You'll either be at a station, someone will bump you off it then hotdrop you, or you'll be at a belt and a fleet of BSs will warp in. Your carrier will go boom. You'll log off for a few days, both you and your CEO will get all ****y, he may also emoragequit for a few days. Eventually everyone else will get sick of the lack of the corp doing anything caused by this emoness, and will leave. I've seen it happen before, if you're the sort of person who has to ask, then you're not ready for a capital and if your corp can't answer, they're not experienced enough to be fielding capitals (not to mention that your corp is too small to do much of anything in low/nullsec, even assuming that there are no alts at all in your 11 man corp >_> )

Davinel Lulinvega
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:14:00 - [15]
 

Everything cambarus said.
Also this.

Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:31:00 - [16]
 

This smells like troll to me.

maddmaxx III
Caldari
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:32:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: maddmaxx III on 24/06/2009 14:34:30
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Lupus Pyro

Anything important i missed?


Yes, and that is that you and your corp have no business having a carrier.

You may not want to hear it, but that whole 'you're not ready for a carrier' thing is very, very true.

Common rookie mistakes made when deciding to aim for a capital:

1: 4 BSs can kill it, quite easily if they're set up right. You're not an uberwtfpwnmobile.

2:You have no real use for it unless you like in null/lowsec, and even then it's little more than a glorified hauler most of the time, very rarely will your carrier be used in proper combat, unless of course you ignore point 3 which is

3: If you ignore point 1 (which many new people do) and do something stupid like, say, think it a good idea to "defend" your mining op with the carrier, you'll have a 20man BS gang on you so fast you won't know what happened.

4:I promise you that if you try to use that carrier in any kind of combat it'll be dead in a week, because you've not the experience flying in/with cap fleets to know how to use it properly.

5: Aside from the rorqual, capital ships are pretty much exclusively for pvp. Carriers get used to jump ships around as well, but in the end if you're going to have it undocked for more than a minute at a time, it's gonna be to pewpew someone. You don't sound like much of a pvper to me (using a word like "powerful" to describe the positive aspects of a dread for example), so I doubt you'd get much use out of a cap.

6: (last one, and the most important)
Losing a capital ship will kill your corp. I've seen several corps made up of newer players disband because of the drama of losing a capital ship. You WILL lose it assuming you actually use the thing (and if you don't then why buy one?), and how your corp handles it depends entirely on how long they've been playing and how little they care about their ships.

It'll probably go down like this: You'll either be at a station, someone will bump you off it then hotdrop you, or you'll be at a belt and a fleet of BSs will warp in. Your carrier will go boom. You'll log off for a few days, both you and your CEO will get all ****y, he may also emoragequit for a few days. Eventually everyone else will get sick of the lack of the corp doing anything caused by this emoness, and will leave. I've seen it happen before, if you're the sort of person who has to ask, then you're not ready for a capital and if your corp can't answer, they're not experienced enough to be fielding capitals (not to mention that your corp is too small to do much of anything in low/nullsec, even assuming that there are no alts at all in your 11 man corp >_> )


I smell a troll but here goes,

A lot of this is true if you are in a **** corp, on the other hand if you eventually join a large alliance that is very pvp heavy you will get plenty of use out of it. And most good alliances have a cap ship replacement program, so no your corp will not fold because of one cap loss lol, provided that your in a corp/alliance that uses caps regularly. Basically dude if you want to train for caps then do it, don't let people on the forums discourage you from doing so, but for now just chill in smaller ships, train up and get skilled, if you really want to be involed in cap warfare join a large alliance that actively participates in large scale campaigns.

But don't listen the the bull**** that I quoted for you, you have every bit of business training for whatever you want to do in this game. Its just about being in the right organization to support the losses.

Sombike
Caldari
Enterprise Estonia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:42:00 - [18]
 

/Me logs ingame, adds this guy to book and runs a locate agent on him every day ...Rolling Eyes

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:44:00 - [19]
 

ty, u told me wat i needed to no cause im fed up off up-their-own-arse year long players who r so self confident that everyone has to do things a certain way they shout at me and say no u cant, but i tell u ******** wat, i can, ill do watever i damn well want cause i joined this game for the sheer brilliance of the cap stuff, so dont u dare tell me that i cant do it for a year or so until ive learned, ill bloody learn along the way, we all do, people after 5 years will still make mistakes, i no its a ****** challenge, so dont keep telling em the same damn thing ver and over again, i asked ur help, not ur critiscism, i no im in a small corp, thats y i joined it( and theres 12 members numnuts) i can push to join an alliance or join a new corp but i am playing for fun, not so i can smartaarsedly go, ''' oh well ye sive been playing for 45 years and u shouldnt do this, u shouldnt do that, ur a newbie,' so wat?! now if u gonna help, help, otherwise sod off and be an arse elsewhere, now any other advice?

Sombike
Caldari
Enterprise Estonia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:48:00 - [20]
 

Buy a Chimera Twisted Evil

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:49:00 - [21]
 

so u can hunt me down, sod off, i aint gonna tell u and if there is justice i hope u ******* miles away.

Davinel Lulinvega
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:50:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Lupus Pyro
ty, u told me wat i needed to no cause im fed up off up-their-own-arse year long players who r so self confident that everyone has to do things a certain way they shout at me and say no u cant, but i tell u ******** wat, i can, ill do watever i damn well want cause i joined this game for the sheer brilliance of the cap stuff, so dont u dare tell me that i cant do it for a year or so until ive learned, ill bloody learn along the way, we all do, people after 5 years will still make mistakes, i no its a ****** challenge, so dont keep telling em the same damn thing ver and over again, i asked ur help, not ur critiscism, i no im in a small corp, thats y i joined it( and theres 12 members numnuts) i can push to join an alliance or join a new corp but i am playing for fun, not so i can smartaarsedly go, ''' oh well ye sive been playing for 45 years and u shouldnt do this, u shouldnt do that, ur a newbie,' so wat?! now if u gonna help, help, otherwise sod off and be an arse elsewhere, now any other advice?

Yeah. Cap/pos warfare is the single most boring thing in all of eve. Even more than mining.
GL

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:52:00 - [23]
 

ive mined solid for nealry 15 hours before,...there is nought mroe boring.

Davinel Lulinvega
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:59:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Lupus Pyro
ive mined solid for nealry 15 hours before,...there is nought mroe boring.
It's basically the same as mining except you have to do it at weird times because of stront ***gotry.

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:02:00 - [25]
 

well some dumbass people hasve strayed the question, phoenix or chimera?

Evanglion
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:04:00 - [26]
 

Neither, ur an idiot :)

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:07:00 - [27]
 

im so so sorry, but ur gallente, caldari never listen to gallente, well i dont, they havent a clue. so 888888888 offf u stupid8888 and give some decent advice.

jhon whang
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:22:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Lupus Pyro
im so so sorry, but ur gallente, caldari never listen to gallente, well i dont, they havent a clue. so 888888888 offf u stupid8888 and give some decent advice.


Lol, kinda missed the self edit there Smile

On a seious note, if you want a cap go ahead and train for it. Make sure yu get all the suppports trained properly and get good skills in the racial weapon systems as you go (since you could go dread or carrier best to keep your bases covered). Then in a year or 2 when you are actually ready to train the cap skills themselves but have realized what a wsate/isk sink they are (barring limited actual usefulness) you will be one hell of a properly skilled BS pilot.

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:27:00 - [29]
 

ty for support, but i intend to do this much faster than a year or 2, misguided or not, i have summer hols coming which means 24 hour plus mining shifts.

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:29:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Twin blade on 24/06/2009 15:29:40
I so hope this is a poor toll as other wise your so stupid i wounder how you have been able to live this long.

After reading it all you should not own a ship above a shuttle and even that would be to much for you.


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