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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2009.06.23 12:27:00 - [1]
 



I hate downtime. i also hate the idea of even more downtime. However I hate the idea that certain people have an advantage in game because they are in a different time zone.


A few things I hate or hated:

When i was in 0.0, all of the officer spawns were already done and over with until downtime again. DT for me is time to get some sleep due to my time zone. This left me with litle chance to find anything in an area with round the clock ratters.

Wormholes, I hate finding wormholes with nothing left but grav sites. I also know that the wormhole has been around for a number of hours already and that means i could be flying into a trap.

SOmetimes I like to mine and relax, other times i just feel like making my own stuff. This means i need to mine certain ores. Of course anyone in hisec will tell you that veld is in high demand. of course i could venture to lowsec but if im trying to relax, i dont want to worry about getting popped. Besides the guys that are in EVE when I'm sleeping are able to scoop up all of the veld, leaving me nothing.



So basically what I really hate about EVE is the fact that people in another time zone have many hours to eat everything up and leave those in my TZ and other timezones with the scraps. Sorry CCp but not everyone is in europe and not everyone thinks its fair to have to take on risks the other guy didn't have to.


Is it possible for CCP to create a 2nd downtime at some point in the day so that Americans can have the same game that the Europeans are playing?

mr passie
Minmatar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.06.23 12:29:00 - [2]
 

thfh it should just be renamed "happy time", problem solved, no more down time ever

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2009.06.23 12:39:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: mr passie
thfh it should just be renamed "happy time", problem solved, no more down time ever


um, what does "thfh" stand for?

I'm looking for a server refresh point so that everyone gets the same game regardless of their time zone. I just saw some other guy's post about extended downtime, all the time.

The question is, is it really neccessary for the server to shut down in order to refresh certain things in game?



OH... almost forgot the other thing, FW plexes. Not sure if that got changed but I remember not finding a damn thing because all the guys in other TZs had already scanned them out and finished them, leaving me with nothing but useless ones at best.

Neamus
Posted - 2009.06.23 13:52:00 - [4]
 

I agree, although I don't think a second downtime is the right way to change things.

Its worth noting that only a small minority of Europeans, mainly the unemployed ones, benefit from the current downtime. Being in full time employment and living in the UK downtime for me is at lunch time while I am at work. By the time I get home in the evening there's usually little point in probing for dead space signatures or wormholes. They've all been completed.

On the very rare occasion that I'm online right after downtime its actually comical to watch the swarms of covert ops frigates undocking to commence their daily **** of the area that I live in.

So the current system benefits only those that are able to log in straight after downtime, which is a small minority of the player base.

Perhaps then a change to the mechanics? Cant we have sites respawn in another place straight after they have been completed, rather only after downtime? Or perhaps limit the number of sites that each character is allowed to complete every day? I dont know if either if these will work but I'm pretty sure that a second downtime wont.


Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:32:00 - [5]
 

Wormholes spwan around the clock, not just at downtime, however what is in the wormholes i don't know about their respawn times...

Originally by: ShardowRhino
Is it possible for CCP to create a 2nd downtime at some point in the day so that Americans can have the same game that the Europeans are playing?


Yes because the only two places in the world are America and Europe....Having other timezones would just be blasphemy!

Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:34:00 - [6]
 

I don't understand why things just don't respawn around the clock instead of just after downtime.

Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group
Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino


I hate downtime. i also hate the idea of even more downtime. However I hate the idea that certain people have an advantage in game because they are in a different time zone.



1. Move to America
2. .....
3. Profit?
4. STFU.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: mr passie
thfh it should just be renamed "happy time", problem solved, no more down time ever
This.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
I don't understand why things just don't respawn around the clock instead of just after downtime.

Oh, but they do.

There's just a bigger likelyhood of it happening during DT. And all belts respawn, with the inherent chance of a faction spawn, at DT.

space hobo
DIE WITH HONOUR
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:45:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Being in full time employment and living in the UK downtime for me is at lunch time while I am at work. By the time I get home in the evening there's usually little point in probing for dead space signatures or wormholes. They've all been completed.



im in full time employment and dont get home untill 6 some nights (5 hours after the server come back up) i have no trouble finding deadspace's or wormholes with nice stuff in them.

the other day i made 300mil in 20 min in a wormhole i do loads of deadspaces to you guys need to leave high sec, low sec is not as dangerous as some of you seem to think but then again iv lived in low sec since i made my char 4+ years ago and i live in a pirate infested area to

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:55:00 - [11]
 

It would be more interesting to see EVE work on a 25-hour clock, with each day's downtime an hour later then the previous day, to spread the downtime pros and cons through all timezones.

Ozone71
Caldari
Taishi Combine
Posted - 2009.06.23 15:13:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Scatim Helicon
It would be more interesting to see EVE work on a 25-hour clock, with each day's downtime an hour later then the previous day, to spread the downtime pros and cons through all timezones.


Now that's good thinking.

Even a 22 or 26 hour clock to rotate through all time zones about once every fortnight.

Maybe there is some database design going on behind the scenes for full time operation .. but a rotating DT is a good idea.

I am in GMT+8, so downtime is when I eat dinner (7pm to 8pm) so I can hop back online at 8pm just after DT. The idea above removes my current advantage .. but is fair.

One problem though .. is that any DT kicks people off the server. You may not want to have the DT during a period of high login as its likely to annoy some players and you don;t want to lose members.

Mr John22ta
Supercarrier Aggression
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.06.23 15:14:00 - [13]
 

1. I work all day, so all the officer spawns are gone for me too when I log on. Fact of life.

2. There are undisturbed wormholes around, just takes a bit of time to get lucky. Also, pleanty of other people have the same issues. IMHO allowing POS's in WH was a crappy idea.

3. No veld left in high sec? Are you crazy? How about not mining in crowded space? find a quiet system, and you will find many roids are untouched. I know this is true, as I have a high sec mining alt. Only 6 jumps from Jita!

So basically what you are saying is that you want a downtime to suit your needs, so you can get all the officer spawns/Wormholes/Minerals to yourself?

Your in the same boat as 95% of the rest of the Eve playerbase.


EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.23 15:16:00 - [14]
 

Good idea, afkers sitting at station will be kicked so there might be less lag

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.23 15:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mr John22ta
1. I work all day, so all the officer spawns are gone for me too when I log on. Fact of life.

2. There are undisturbed wormholes around, just takes a bit of time to get lucky. Also, pleanty of other people have the same issues. IMHO allowing POS's in WH was a crappy idea.

3. No veld left in high sec? Are you crazy? How about not mining in crowded space? find a quiet system, and you will find many roids are untouched. I know this is true, as I have a high sec mining alt. Only 6 jumps from Jita!

So basically what you are saying is that you want a downtime to suit your needs, so you can get all the officer spawns/Wormholes/Minerals to yourself?

Your in the same boat as 95% of the rest of the Eve playerbase.


I used to mine in a system 2 jumps from jita :D

Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.23 15:18:00 - [16]
 

Faction spawns are primarily taken advantage of by full-time ratters. I assume it's a difficult to change mechanic, but even so it's a shoddy mechanic.

Fribain
Caldari
Eternal Knights of Ni
Posted - 2009.06.23 16:16:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Fribain on 23/06/2009 16:25:01
Edited by: Fribain on 23/06/2009 16:18:29
Originally by: ShardowRhino


SOmetimes I like to mine and relax, other times i just feel like making my own stuff. This means i need to mine certain ores. Of course anyone in hisec will tell you that veld is in high demand. of course i could venture to lowsec but if im trying to relax, i dont want to worry about getting popped. Besides the guys that are in EVE when I'm sleeping are able to scoop up all of the veld, leaving me nothing.




What do you mean no veld is left in hisec? There is plenty of it... dang near infinite amounts of it, in fact. I used to be like you, and had trouble finding it... no more.

Many combat missions have TONS of ore waiting to be mined. Several HUGE Veld rocks (>= 95k units each for the biggest i've seen so far). Lots of Scordite in most of the combat missions. Pyro, Plag are in many of them. Omber, kernite, and jaspet are around as well in some of them.

Just whip out a nice frigate or destroyer, find an agent offering combat missions in a 1.0 or 0.9 system, and start doing lvl 1 combat missions ( or higher lvl ones using bigger ships, if that floats your boat).

  1. Do the missions until you find one with a set of good 'roids.

  2. Spend a few minutes killing the enemy, looting, salvaging, etc., but don't turn it in, yet.

  3. Come back in your mining ship, and enjoy a few hours of mining bliss.

  4. Haul the ore to a station as necessary.

  5. When done, go turn in the mission.

  6. Profit!


Yes, I know you almost certainly won't get the mission bonus, but the ore will be worth FAR more. Plus the added bonus of a FAR smaller chance of getting griefed by another player (can flippers, etc.) than mining in a regular belt.

Now as you mentioned, officer spawns and WH might be two reasons to adjust the respawn mechanic, but "I can't find any Veld" ain't.

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.23 23:18:00 - [18]
 

I'm really amazed that after 6 years CCP hasn't figured out a proper way to randomize spawn times. And then I realize that I'm using their POS forum that hasn't been fixed in that time either, so I'm not that surprised.

shady trader
Posted - 2009.06.24 18:00:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: mr passie
thfh it should just be renamed "happy time", problem solved, no more down time ever


um, what does "thfh" stand for?

I'm looking for a server refresh point so that everyone gets the same game regardless of their time zone. I just saw some other guy's post about extended downtime, all the time.

The question is, is it really neccessary for the server to shut down in order to refresh certain things in game?



OH... almost forgot the other thing, FW plexes. Not sure if that got changed but I remember not finding a damn thing because all the guys in other TZs had already scanned them out and finished them, leaving me with nothing but useless ones at best.


A lot of thing get done with regard to clearing up things like the database.
There was a resent Dev post in responce to a similar question.

That happens in down time

Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Posted - 2009.06.24 19:00:00 - [20]
 

There is an even simpler solution for dt but it has obvious negative effects.

put it on a 23h clock so it happens an hour earlier then the last dt.

But it looks like some dt processes have to be done manually and I'm willing to bet no one or half a dozen required people would want to sign up for the every two week midnight-6am dt

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.06.24 19:19:00 - [21]
 

As someone who has lots of experience finding officer spawns - I can confirm that people who log on right after downtime have a vast advantage in finding them.

I don't believe that 2nd downtime is the proper solution tho. To eliminate that unfair advantage, the server should keep track of "first time belt spawn after dt" and NOT give any faction spawns at all. So in order to find faction spawns, people would need to kill the belt NPC at least once. Simply checking belts after dt would not give any.

However, such a change would decrease the total faction drop rates by a certain smell percentage - maybe 10%. To keep things fair, the overall chance of finding faction spawn should be slightly increased

Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.24 19:19:00 - [22]
 

i am, RIGHT now, in a 1.0 system 1 jump from amarr in a belt still full of veld


Ivas
Posted - 2009.06.24 19:40:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
i am, RIGHT now, in a 1.0 system 1 jump from amarr in a belt still full of veld

Only because Chribba can't move the veldnaught there.

Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.24 20:02:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ivas
Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
i am, RIGHT now, in a 1.0 system 1 jump from amarr in a belt still full of veld

Only because Chribba can't move the veldnaught there.


whats he need the veldnaught for when he has has the veldatar and veldabus?


 

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