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Nikos Iscariot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.21 05:53:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 21/06/2009 05:59:10
Boy, you guys are classic. I never thought there would be so many people dead set against others having the option to run an alternative client. Interestingly, few the responses here come from players that ever have to deal with more than 200 people on-grid, and certainly not in free-for-all conditions such as a Thunderdome. Next time I pose a question to the community, I guess I'd better use an alt to avoid the politics.

All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. It would be a boon to fleet commanders, who care more about loading the grid as fast as possible than seeing the details of a nearby moon's craters. And from CCP's point of view, it expands their market to include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world whose goals are something other than "staying ahead of the e-curve" and whose hardware may be a bit dated, but who bring cash money to the table all the same.

I might be a Goon whose student aid ain't coming through for a while, but don't get hung up on my plight. Consider the poor former soviet-bloc girl whose school library could only run EVE from back in the days of Trinity. Surely you wouldn't deny her the chance to play this game?

Franky Mouse
Perkone
Posted - 2009.06.21 05:56:00 - [32]
 

buy a ****ing new video card alread, i got one for xmas without even asking for it

m3rr
Posted - 2009.06.21 06:36:00 - [33]
 

we really need a mobile client for palm pilots, iphones, windows mobile os phones, ect.

all eve really is as far as the universe is a bunch of points in a grid. just give us a super barebones client with no graphics, just dots or basic icons and a super basic gui and let us play eve on our cell phones!!!!

Alxea
Posted - 2009.06.21 06:47:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Alxea on 21/06/2009 07:07:44
Buy a replacement for your 10 year old comps. Stop trying to run eve on antique hardware. Donate it to a museum. Computer power doubles every 2 years. Eve changes because technology does, so adapt to the times, stop whining because your hardware can hardly run it.

The min req for this game are really not that high. So its amazing people have issues running this game. The only exp, is ancient hardware. Laughing

*Have a old skool commadore?* HAHA WIN! That was like 25+ Years ago. Now thats a classic. @ 1.02 MHz, MOS Technology VIC-II (320 x 200, 16 colors, sprites, raster interrupt),64 KByte RAM. Thats so 2009 I want one now. I could so run eve on a comp from 1982. :P

Thats funny. If a Commadore met eve it would take at least a century to load 1/4th of a polygon then say !!!FATAL ERROR!!! In DOS and start smoking from a micro chip overload.


Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.06.21 10:30:00 - [35]
 

i just wish probes were a little more visible with low settings
i'd reactivate my prober account and use 2 clients again *hinthinthint* -.-

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.06.21 10:47:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves.
There is already a barebones client. Set everything to off and low then run windowed @1024x768. 27fps on a crappy single core lenovo laptop with a crappy integrated gma4500 in it for the video. This was over at a friends house who also plays eve though he is actually in a real corp and loves the mass fleet actions unlike my solo wolfish ways. So if that crappy budget laptop can run eve at 27fps during a fleet fight then your corp mates at the thunderdome muct have some really ancient systems.

Upgrade to the 21st century before its too late!

Also I have a slightly dated system and can easily run up to 10 clients* at once at around 20ish fps so we already have a nice barebones client in my eyes.

*5 tq and 5 sisi

Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
Posted - 2009.06.21 12:35:00 - [37]
 

I like the attitude of mindlessly throwing more money at the problem till it goes away.

EvE does not need 3d models at all. I would be happy to turn it all off including retina burning skybox and scanning spheres, if it actually had half decent UI that would show stuff like modules used, damage taken and inflicted, velocity vectors, without having to zoom out and in and panning all over the place. It would also run much faster.

Basically including OFF switch for EVERYTHING is all OP is asking for and he gets shtstorm for it. I bet you all tossers would go all crazy if EvE had "mute" option too... oh wait.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2009.06.21 12:52:00 - [38]
 

Not sure why it's called Eve Premium client anymore. It's not like there's a choice.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2009.06.21 13:01:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Not sure why it's called Eve Premium client anymore. It's not like there's a choice.


Because Premium is still better than Premium Mac, which is also known as Premium Lite or Premium Roofle - that is to say, way more premiumish.

How dare you insolent peons question the infallible nomenclature of CCP's premium service!

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2009.06.21 13:03:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Forge Lag
I like the attitude of mindlessly throwing more money at the problem till it goes away.



You're a derp.

They did this because it was costing both money and time to develop two sets of everything for two clients. Dropping classic gives them more time and money...

Cors
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.21 14:36:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 21/06/2009 05:59:10
Boy, you guys are classic. I never thought there would be so many people dead set against others having the option to run an alternative client. Interestingly, few the responses here come from players that ever have to deal with more than 200 people on-grid, and certainly not in free-for-all conditions such as a Thunderdome. Next time I pose a question to the community, I guess I'd better use an alt to avoid the politics.

All the same, a bare bones client version would be of great use to multi-boxers, who could use the saved system resources to watch The Simpsons while they run that complex with a fleet of themselves. It would be a boon to fleet commanders, who care more about loading the grid as fast as possible than seeing the details of a nearby moon's craters. And from CCP's point of view, it expands their market to include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world whose goals are something other than "staying ahead of the e-curve" and whose hardware may be a bit dated, but who bring cash money to the table all the same.

I might be a Goon whose student aid ain't coming through for a while, but don't get hung up on my plight. Consider the poor former soviet-bloc girl whose school library could only run EVE from back in the days of Trinity. Surely you wouldn't deny her the chance to play this game?


Listen.. Kid. You are not READING what we say.

If you have an up to date computer. Even when in fleet battles of 500vs500 you will get decent speeds. If you have an OLD computer, you won't. I've been fighting against you goonies for years. Trust me. There are a LOT of us out there with high end current systems who enjoy 50+ FPS in major fleet battles, with 50-100 carries and their drones, dreads, bubbles everywhere, pos's, dozens of pos modules, wrecks, corpses all over, DDD's going off..

What we're all trying to say is that if you upgrade, optomize the client for pvp(Meaning brackets off, tags off, drones off, weapons off) you'll get good FPS. If your computer is 3+ years old though, it won't be able to handle more then a 100 vs 100 if that.

It's a simply horsepower. Yours doesn't have enough. *****ing and whineing for a stripped down client is not needed. The stripped down client can be had by turning off all the special effects in the options menu.

UPGRADE. thinking that we're throwing this at you because you're a goon is false. The invective you've seen is because you're a goon, but if you search for the last thread of this nature, people responded exactly the same way to JoeCarebear when he whined for a classic client.

upgrade your coleco vision, and experience fast fps even when you're in the thunderdrome.

Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2009.06.21 14:50:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Premium is still better than Premium Mac, which is also known as Premium Lite.



Uhhh... How about no?
With everything set to max on a Mac, you have premium in its fullest.
With a Cedaga emulator in between a Mac and the EVE app. But that is another story

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.06.21 14:57:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 21/06/2009 14:57:50
Give him his "Classic Client" and let him ***** and moan when he gets lock ups due to his 1.8ghz processor.

PROTIP; The old client used the GPU for practically NOTHING. It was all bloated into the CPU and the GPU was largely ignored. If you were seriously getting "Good FPS" with the classic client which i doubt due to the fact i have run classic on a 1.8ghz, and i got slowdowns at stations/missions. (20-25 fps tops, with a 8600gt)

Learn how to configure your client and i would wager with brackets off, EVERYTHING turned to minimum, gun effects off and etc, you would probably see an increase in FPS over what you had with "Old Classic".

Of Course, there is always the chance that your idea of "Decent memory" is 1gb with Vista + Aero.

Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
Posted - 2009.06.21 15:16:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Drakarin on 21/06/2009 15:20:16
The problem is your CPU. It's your bottleneck. Your GPU which could handle that conflict fairly well isn't able to perform well because the CPU can't process the data fast enough..

Draeath
The Scope
Posted - 2009.06.21 15:24:00 - [45]
 

I agree that cutting the seperate client was a good idea - duplicated work is bad.

But I don't like how shader 2.0 is required, even in low settings.

This means that I can't play EVE on my laptop while doing something else (mining while sitting in a lecture, etc).

Now, eve is relegated to my Desktop, which means I can't be sitting outside etc.

Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
Posted - 2009.06.21 15:37:00 - [46]
 

EVE is CPU and not GPU intensive. Aswell as the client not really being optimzed to take advantage of parallell technology and multitasking.

The client has been cluttered with a lot of **** during the years of EVE. So yea, you have to throw money at it because CCP can not afford to recode it. Smile

Vaneshi SnowCrash
Posted - 2009.06.21 18:24:00 - [47]
 

As others have pointed out the hardware you are using is a bit long in the tooth. Perfectly good for EVE but perhaps not for a 400 pilot event with all the goodies turned on.

First thing first, hit ESC, go to graphics and well, turn pretty much everything to Low or Off.

Secondly take a look at the version of Windows you are using. I'm going to assume XP here. Kill off everything running in the background, from EveMon to those idiotic printer widgets manu's seem to love these days. This will free up some RAM and CPU cycles; should help a touch.

Go find updated drivers for your Radeon, perhaps moving away from ATi's official ones to something like erm... Omega? It has been a while since I chased down ATi drivers so that might be wrong. Often they have tweaks to them which will allow you to overclock, adjust various internal settings and basically coax more speed out of the old girl.

Indeed never under estimate how much quicker a fresh install of XP will go compared to one crufted up by years of use. Worth considering perhaps as a second to last restort.

The other, more expensive option is to look at upgrading. Now I'm not about to say go buy a totally new machine... money, trees and all that. Google the various components and figure out what their maximum capabilities are, 1.8Ghz CPU, can it take a 2Ghz? An old Core or Core 2 Duo unit? What the maximum amount and type of RAM it can hold? Is that an AGP 4x or 8x slot in there?

And armed with all of these bits of information go on a hunt through e-bay, local PC parts store and add bits (CPU and GFx being the top two) for hopefully pennies if you're lucky on a fleabay auction.

AFIC the Nvidia 7000 series and possible the 8000 as well came in some flavour of AGP. Perhaps not brilliant compared to their PCIe breatheren but well needs must.

Strak Yogorn
Amarr
Mind Warpers
Posted - 2009.06.21 19:34:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Draeath
I agree that cutting the seperate client was a good idea - duplicated work is bad.

But I don't like how shader 2.0 is required, even in low settings.

This means that I can't play EVE on my laptop while doing something else (mining while sitting in a lecture, etc).

Now, eve is relegated to my Desktop, which means I can't be sitting outside etc.



guess you are going to LOVE it when they switch to SM3 then. (then again, it will probably affect alot more players, myself included)

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.06.21 20:02:00 - [49]
 

The client runs FASTER and more fluid after all the redundant compatibility code was discarded.

Shader2 which is now minimum requirement is on all cards less than 4 years old or so. Even the cheapest Gfx card today (they are so cheap they are practically free), may have lower peak fps than the excellent ATi9800 - but they make up for it by having much smoother graphics, less power consumption and generally just better "normal" performance.

Turn off what you can (drone models, missile shake etc.) and you should have no problems at all.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.06.21 20:09:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Strak Yogorn
Originally by: Draeath
I agree that cutting the seperate client was a good idea - duplicated work is bad.

But I don't like how shader 2.0 is required, even in low settings.

This means that I can't play EVE on my laptop while doing something else (mining while sitting in a lecture, etc).

Now, eve is relegated to my Desktop, which means I can't be sitting outside etc.



guess you are going to LOVE it when they switch to SM3 then. (then again, it will probably affect alot more players, myself included)
I don't see this happening anytime soon tbh. The justification of dropping the sm1 compatibility for sm2/3 only was easy enough to make as pretty much everything supports sm2. However with the current financial tightening of the belts people across the world are having to do then going to sm3 only might have a real effect on the subscriber numbers as it would force a financialy significant section of the playerbase to do a mandatory upgrade that they might not be able to easily afford and so drop out of eve for a while till they can. I would wager that CCP ain't in that much of a rush to save a bit of duplicate client work at the exspense of immediate profits given icelands glorious current financial situation.Wink

PeHD0M
Posted - 2009.06.21 20:43:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: PeHD0M on 21/06/2009 20:47:20
I think that graphic was better in classic version.
- ships and station texture color (amarr (new are bloody rusted.. not gold like they should be), gallante(dark green was much better))
- station interiors
- effects (warping, scramble, cynojump, eccm, sensor booster, armor reps, shield booster..)
- sound (new sound is just beep %$#@&* beep)

I'm not against the tech upgrades.. but i don't like the downgrades in quality.

UMEE
Perkone
Posted - 2009.06.21 20:43:00 - [52]
 

in before adapt or die. oh wait...

idiots.

Refractor
Posted - 2009.06.21 20:50:00 - [53]
 

I prefer "adapt or fight". "Adapt or die" is for losers.

elscorcho
Remus inc
Despoilment Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.22 00:13:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Cors
I'm not talking about meeting the requirements, I'm talking about keeping ahead of the curve. My job gives me enough money to spend on aveage 500$ a year on a computer. If yours doesn't, maybe you should have went to college, or at least got into a trade. I hear Mc Donalds doesn't pay much. Look at moveing up in the world.


Man, stop being a tit. Some people simply can't afford to spend even $500 on a computer every year. Some people have families. Some people have social lives.

Just because you spend every damn penny you earn on stupid crap because you live in your parents' basement, doesn't mean everyone else does.

Grow up.

shwarzkauph
bullets with butterfly wings
Posted - 2009.06.22 00:33:00 - [55]
 

I didnt bother reading your post after I saw "GoonSwarm".

Maybe you low lifes can scam someone into buying you a new PC.

Draeath
The Scope
Posted - 2009.06.22 01:10:00 - [56]
 

I should mention that my laptop is really a netbook, and as such It (despite being half a year old) doesn't have the luxury of a real graphics chipset. Intel graphics for the lose!

Moredeeb
Posted - 2009.06.22 02:06:00 - [57]
 

Whats your address i will fed-x you a pc you can play the game the way its meant to be played, you cheap bum. Whats your next post gonna be bring back leaded fuel so your 65' 4 dour Plymouth valiant wont ping upon acceleration...

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.06.22 02:10:00 - [58]
 

lol I'm stuck an extra night with only my laptop so I decided to update from Quantum Rise to whatever the game is called now. Embarassed

**** doesn't work on this 2001 vintage HP laptop. No big surprise seeing as how I was getting like 10 frames a second in Classic and can only support SM1. I think I have a skill finishing soon but maybe not. Had to train up cybernetics higher so I could use a +4 social plant. I only went with the +4 because it was cheaper than +3. That's how I roll (which also explains my computer hardware.)

Karen Estarra
Caldari
Starside Lost
Posted - 2009.06.24 11:52:00 - [59]
 

Have you tried the Commodore 64 version? You might have better luck with that one.

dor amwar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.24 12:09:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
It's cool that your mom doesn't charge rent and gives you a good allowance, but the fact is that EVE barely requires a graphic interface at all. The PC I'm using, old though it may be, meets all of the specifications CCP gives for using their client.


While right now a better job isn't really an option, if you cannot pay to keep your hardware up to scratch its maybe time to take a break for a few months, save the money from subs, upgrade your computer and come back.

You can say whatever you want, but complaining because you are experiencing discomfort using a system that is over half a decade old, when your average computer is "Old" 3 years after the hardware first hits the shelves will get you no sympathy, neither will labelling those who can afford the hardware costs as "kids" who are on mommies pay.


more like 6 months


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