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Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:32:00 - [1]
 

Seriously why? Soloing is dead, short range skirmishes are dead, sov mechanics is a mess, titans are so overpowered and its become so easy to acquire one now its just killed fleet warfare, The game is so unbalanced its untrue, you create something then kill it by not considering the bigger picture..

rant over..

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:34:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Seriously why? Soloing is dead, short range skirmishes are dead, sov mechanics is a mess, titans are so overpowered and its become so easy to acquire one now its just killed fleet warfare, The game is so unbalanced its untrue, you create something then kill it by not considering the bigger picture..

rant over..


Well since it's dieing why are you playing it?

Luna Sistere
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:35:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: FOl2TY8

Well since it's dieing why are you playing it?


Some enjoy masochism.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:40:00 - [4]
 

A solid rant with sweeping generalizations and lack of any actual examples. On the negative side it lacks insults and is horribly short.

4.2 points for Hermosa Diosas

Iamevilchris
Caldari
The Moon On A Stick
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Luna Sistere
Originally by: FOl2TY8

Well since it's dieing why are you playing it?


Some enjoy masochism.


I like it on toast!! Confused

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:44:00 - [6]
 


CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
A solid rant with sweeping generalizations and lack of any actual examples. On the negative side it lacks insults and is horribly short.

4.2 points for Hermosa Diosas


If he needs to give examples then you obviously havent played the game long enough..

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:54:00 - [8]
 

OP has a point though.

baltec1
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:55:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
OP has a point though.


I could blow that point out of the water but I can't post directly to killboardsSad

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:58:00 - [10]
 

People build up their corps/alliances to be able to produce stuff, ppl whine about being able to get like titans, imagine the whine if CCP didn't add anything more ever, you'd all be whining about there's no new content for older players, and EVE is dying.

Soloing, while I do it (but in the non-pvp way) I have no comments on this, but it could for all I know be very accurate, I have no idea.

Unbalance, probably, but there won't ever be balance I think, and it's hard to balance it correctly, small tweaks impact other things as well and EVE is dying.

Solution, no idea. I'm just rambling.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:02:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Eventy One on 19/06/2009 19:04:16
Its simple really.

They've heard "CCP is killing the game" too many times and began thinking about the growth they've experienced in the last few years. They've concluded that they've somehow managed to recruit too many WoW players. There are just too many of these type of EVE players, and they are trying to drive some away.

The thinking is that the growth they've seen has been of the wrong sort of player; whiners, complainers, unlike at first - bold, brave, explorers, pilots.

Since whiners, complainers, tend to exhibit the property that they complain loudly then quit, they are come and go types. Whereas the pilots, exhibit leadership, and the ability to endure difficult or unpleasant situations, they tend to see things through.

CCP is killing the game to rid it of the low end of the Gaussian curve, so that they can again target the right sort of player.

Its not hard to see really, its not rocket science.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
OP has a point though.
Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately it's difficult to talk objectively due to lack of solid data.

We need to example ship killmail statistics over last several years. We need to deduce what kind of combat was happening, juxtapose on history of major game patches. Then try identify differences in patterns between the periods of major patches.

All observations and conclusions should be based on real numbers, with calculated error percentages due to inaccuracy of data.
It would involve painfully long tedious work in data mining public killboards, with significant error percentage due to imperfect nature of early killboards. CCP have much more reliable data, but they are less likely share it.

Anyway, I have yet to see anyone attempt a serious data based analysis. Usually we just get personal experiences backed up with selective killboard data at best.

My own personal experience suggests there's a grain of truth in what the op says, but there is no hard evidence.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:33:00 - [13]
 

My belief is that CCP didn't much 'kill' the game, players did, with killboards.

Killboards telling the tale of peoples mistakes, people begin fear making those mistakes for the very real prospect of being ridiculed and causing negative political fallout for their group.

So they grow cowardly and calculated to the point where most the skirmishers have already logged when things finally go down.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:55:00 - [14]
 

EvE online

It's been dying since 2003.


and gets about 10% new players each year.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:56:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
My belief is that CCP didn't much 'kill' the game, players did, with killboards.

Killboards telling the tale of peoples mistakes, people begin fear making those mistakes for the very real prospect of being ridiculed and causing negative political fallout for their group.

So they grow cowardly and calculated to the point where most the skirmishers have already logged when things finally go down.


Very interesting perspective! Not sure I agree, but interesting thought nonetheless.

Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.06.19 20:07:00 - [16]
 

Public stats (ie: killboards) are generally bad for games. Look at games like BF2, it completely ruined the BF gameplay (for the record I completely owned at that game :)

People stop playing just for fun and instead change their play style to whatever achieves good stats and makes them look good. EVE is no different.

It's a generalization of course, but I'd think most people would be like that.

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.06.19 20:18:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Jimer Lins on 19/06/2009 20:18:40
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
My belief is that CCP didn't much 'kill' the game, players did, with killboards.

Killboards telling the tale of peoples mistakes, people begin fear making those mistakes for the very real prospect of being ridiculed and causing negative political fallout for their group.

So they grow cowardly and calculated to the point where most the skirmishers have already logged when things finally go down.


Piffle. There's only two people who will make fun of you for a killmail:

1) Your corpmates. Laugh with them and fit better next time (or, if they're being pricks, find a better corp with people who will laugh and then help you fit better).
2) Non corpmates. Tell them to **** off and fit better next time.

If you're afraid of being made fun of, grow thicker skin. Killmails are necessary for tracking efficiency and without them you'd have no ability to track your progress over time or how much more effective additional skills make you. Not to mention they're really necessary for corps like mine.


Baron Aethon
Coffee Sipper's Club
Posted - 2009.06.19 20:52:00 - [18]
 

OP asks: "CCP Why are you killing this game?"

Consult the Magic 8-Ball


Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2009.06.19 20:57:00 - [19]
 

Nothing changes....

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2009.06.19 21:25:00 - [20]
 

Posting in an "eve is dying" and/or "CCP is killing Eve" thread.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.06.19 21:31:00 - [21]
 

poastin in a:

Solo is dead

Its an MMO get some friends

Buy I wanna solo

Lets cry about level 4 missions being solo'able which is bad

But I wanna solo anyway whine or something completely confusing.

Thank god its Friday.

Someone point me in the direction of the bar!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.06.19 21:34:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Seriously why? Soloing is dead, short range skirmishes are dead, sov mechanics is a mess, titans are so overpowered and its become so easy to acquire one now its just killed fleet warfare, The game is so unbalanced its untrue, you create something then kill it by not considering the bigger picture..

rant over..


Never post again.

Also: why blame CCP for what the players do in their sandbox?

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2009.06.19 21:44:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Seriously why? Soloing is dead, short range skirmishes are dead, sov mechanics is a mess, titans are so overpowered and its become so easy to acquire one now its just killed fleet warfare, The game is so unbalanced its untrue, you create something then kill it by not considering the bigger picture..

rant over..


Never post again.

Also: why blame CCP for what the players do in their sandbox?


what are you talking about..?? The OP is quite right in what he says...Not sure how what people do in their own game has anything to do with what the OP says..
By the way leave your attitude at home big boy its not needed on the forums...

Soloing
Everyone agrees that soloing is dead, the odds are soo stacked against soloist its untrue.

Titans
People agree that titans need looking at, it is mad how many there are now. Fleet battles are dying, becuase of titans, why bring out a support or battleship fleet when there are 5 titans in the system, the outcome is death, instantly, no survivors..

Balancing
I totally agree with this, the game is crazily unbalanced..

nuff said.

wickedpheonix
Caldari
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
Posted - 2009.06.19 21:58:00 - [24]
 

Go whine some more. CCP will balance when it feels like balancing in a RATIONAL mood and not just RANT RANT RANT on the forums. God, imagine what would happen if a dev came on the boards and went, "You guys are totally right but my colleagues are d!ckh34d5 who either won't or can't balance the game and now I don't want to play what I create!" (by the way that was rhetorical.)

Don't like fleet PVP as it is now? Try small gang. That doesn't do it for ya? Try solo. No? Pirate in high-sec. CONCORD not figuring into your plans? Find another PVP corp and arrange a wardec in a remote area of highsec. You should know by now that EVE is a sandbox, make your own fun - if some areas of the sandbox have sinkholes then DON'T PLAY THERE, instead play over where they're making sand castles.

Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.06.19 22:08:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 19/06/2009 22:18:07
Originally by: wickedpheonix
Go whine some more. CCP will balance when it feels like balancing in a RATIONAL mood and not just RANT RANT RANT on the forums. God, imagine what would happen if a dev came on the boards and went, "You guys are totally right but my colleagues are d!ckh34d5 who either won't or can't balance the game and now I don't want to play what I create!" (by the way that was rhetorical.)

Don't like fleet PVP as it is now? Try small gang. That doesn't do it for ya? Try solo. No? Pirate in high-sec. CONCORD not figuring into your plans? Find another PVP corp and arrange a wardec in a remote area of highsec. You should know by now that EVE is a sandbox, make your own fun - if some areas of the sandbox have sinkholes then DON'T PLAY THERE, instead play over where they're making sand castles.


you didnt quite understand what i was saying did you? go back read slowly and please respond in a mature manner with an actual constructive post..thanks...

buts lets respond to you..

In a rational manner? are you mad? thats exactly been the problem, ppl complain and ccp react in a unrational manner by nerfing everything, but yes the nerf maybe required, but they dont seem to look at the bigger picture and what this creates, this killing off something..everytime they nerf something no one uses it anymore..whats the point of that? Falcons became the new jammers, then ccp nerfed it (rightly so) but now no one uses them.

CCP create stuff without thinking about it and how it will effect the game, so then when its live then issues arrive, gets nerfed, creation now dead.

The question was about it being sandbox its about nerfing and killing that sandbox.
Ok so i want to go solo pvp, i cant, no one can, so is that still sandbox? no cos i cant do my own thing viably anymore.
Fleet battles, well thats onther sandbox but cos of titans, i dont want to bring out my nice shiny BS fleet cos ill die horribly, thats another part of the sandbox dead..and so so on

You talk about balancing this game is so ruthless, so unforgiving, risk vs reward is so unbalanced, how ships work etc, its is absolutely VITAL in a game like EVE that balancing of it is paramount, absolutely PARAMOUNT

No point being a sandbox game when its not viable to do half the stuff, its like saying heres theres loads of toys to play with, but all the toys are all broken, so try find bits you can stick together and make it work..Rolling Eyes Hmm great ill play with my action man without its head and legs, not really a action man now is it (but its still an actionman in the sense of the word)!!


Vanessa Vasquez
Quantar Swords
Posted - 2009.06.19 22:09:00 - [26]
 

killmails/boards suck. It's the wow part of eve-online where everybody is tha rul0r with his 500 to 20 stats ...

Imho this whole km system is the solution to finaly fix this pvp-boringness. Like DAOC and many other MMOs, there are incentives/rewards for pvpers.

Thinking of some kind of IMGAME killboard/stats/charactersheet whatever, where one would actually get/lose experience points for kills/loses. Something like that:

You start with 0 points on your EP account. You get points for kills and you lose them when blown up. You can't get negative and you can only trade your points once you've reached a certain ammount.

Example:

- You solo a ranis (base 100 points) with your rifter (x2.0) = 200 points
- You get ganked in your mega (base 1000 points) by a 20 man goon fleet (mixed cruisers/frigs) (x0.187435563) = you lose like 20, every goon gets somethiong between 2 and 4
- Once you have collected 5000 points, you can trade them in for 5 skillpoints, LP, magical spoon +15, whatever

This would be a though balancing job, but i'm pretty sure it would get us a lot more ppl into low/zero and better fights as well


FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.19 22:19:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 19/06/2009 22:24:03
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas

you didnt quite understand what i was saying did you? go back read slowly and please respond in a mature manner with an actual constructive post..thanks...


Why? You haven't posted anything constructive only your opinions which you firmly believe are facts. But for the above poster I have a fact for you, the bar is that wayArrowArrow

Nice edit Hermosa. Is this your whine alt?

Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.06.19 22:25:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: FOl2TY8
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas

you didnt quite understand what i was saying did you? go back read slowly and please respond in a mature manner with an actual constructive post..thanks...


Why? You haven't posted anything constructive only your opinions which you firmly believe are facts. But for the above poster I have a fact for you, the bar is that wayArrowArrow


do you disagree with those facts? becuase in all fairness you know im right?
TBH i could right a book but whos gonna read it? No one lol, so a quick sharp jolt was given instead Wink

Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.06.19 22:26:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: FOl2TY8
Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 19/06/2009 22:24:03
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas

you didnt quite understand what i was saying did you? go back read slowly and please respond in a mature manner with an actual constructive post..thanks...


Why? You haven't posted anything constructive only your opinions which you firmly believe are facts. But for the above poster I have a fact for you, the bar is that wayArrowArrow

Nice edit Hermosa. Is this your whine alt?


Wow hey click on my picture youll get my whole history of posts..your too clever for me...

FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.19 22:47:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas


Wow hey click on my picture youll get my whole history of posts..your too clever for me...


Compared to you I'm a god damned cold fusion inventing genius. I solo pvp frequently so maybe you just suck at pvp but can't admit it.


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