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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
Posted - 2009.06.18 20:19:00 - [1]
 


rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.06.18 20:22:00 - [2]
 

space travel is necessary to continue rapid development of various necessary technologies.

I'm glad that our government and NASA agrees.

ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.06.19 09:46:00 - [3]
 

And the only reason they're doing it is because they've started to realise they're losing their monopoly on space flight. Nothing like a bit of competition to shake oneself out of complacency, eh? Laughing

Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2009.06.19 11:41:00 - [4]
 

For the last 40 years, anyone with the right equipment has been able to reflect laser beams off the mirrors that the Apollo astronauts placed there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment

I suppose the conspiracy theorists will argue that the mirrors were places there by robotic probes or some bull**** like that, but for some people there is just no arguing with them.

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.19 12:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
For the last 40 years, anyone with the right equipment has been able to reflect laser beams off the mirrors that the Apollo astronauts placed there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment

I suppose the conspiracy theorists will argue that the mirrors were places there by robotic probes or some bull**** like that, but for some people there is just no arguing with them.
Fix link and I never knew about the mirrors, got to try it sometime :D

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.06.19 12:04:00 - [6]
 

IMHO space travel and exploration is still very much limited by the fact anything that goes into space uses rockets that have a mass fraction of around 90% propellant.

Space elevators offer a theoretical way to lower the delivery cost of stuff into space from 4000 - $4000 per kg, depending if its a sattelite delpoyment and how high an orbit. To possibly $220kg with a space elevator.

Space Elevator

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.19 12:11:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vogue
IMHO space travel and exploration is still very much limited by the fact anything that goes into space uses rockets that have a mass fraction of around 90% propellant.

Space elevators offer a theoretical way to lower the delivery cost of stuff into space from 4000 - $4000 per kg, depending if its a sattelite delpoyment and how high an orbit. To possibly $220kg with a space elevator.

Space Elevator

I hate to say it, but I would feel more safer taking a rocket to the moon than an elevator

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2009.06.19 14:16:00 - [8]
 

I've never been to the moon, is it really there, who can say?

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2009.06.19 14:18:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vogue
IMHO space travel and exploration is still very much limited by the fact anything that goes into space uses rockets that have a mass fraction of around 90% propellant.

Space elevators offer a theoretical way to lower the delivery cost of stuff into space from 4000 - $4000 per kg, depending if its a sattelite delpoyment and how high an orbit. To possibly $220kg with a space elevator.

Space Elevator



Make it a magnetic counterweight while you're at it to attract all the debris out there and clean up space. What, active satellites being dragged in too, well guess they need to adapt...

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.06.19 14:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: ReaperOfSly
And the only reason they're doing it is because they've started to realise they're losing their monopoly on space flight. Nothing like a bit of competition to shake oneself out of complacency, eh? Laughing


I Laughing at your post.

The U.S. has never had a monopoly on space flight. Saying that may make a few Russians angry. Wink

The U.S. has not been complacent. See the following links to find out what they've been doing in space.


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/


http://www.nasa.gov/






BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
Posted - 2009.06.19 17:10:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Vogue
IMHO space travel and exploration is still very much limited by the fact anything that goes into space uses rockets that have a mass fraction of around 90% propellant.

Space elevators offer a theoretical way to lower the delivery cost of stuff into space from 4000 - $4000 per kg, depending if its a sattelite delpoyment and how high an orbit. To possibly $220kg with a space elevator.

Space Elevator



Make it a magnetic counterweight while you're at it to attract all the debris out there and clean up space. What, active satellites being dragged in too, well guess they need to adapt...


That would not be a good idea. Most space debris travels at around 17500 miles an hour. ANYTHING that gets hit at that speed is going to be hurting. I mean the international space station has to move out of the way when paint chips fly past at that speed.

Luna Sistere
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2009.06.19 18:42:00 - [12]
 

This thread disappoints. Here I was thinking that they were going to plan several launches and start putting in a modular biodome habitat on the sunny side of the moon allowing astronauts to spend more quality time there.

But instead we're just sending yet another probe into space so it gets a mediocre yay at best.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:25:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Wendat Huron on 19/06/2009 19:25:24
Originally by: BlackDragonShadow
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Vogue
IMHO space travel and exploration is still very much limited by the fact anything that goes into space uses rockets that have a mass fraction of around 90% propellant.

Space elevators offer a theoretical way to lower the delivery cost of stuff into space from 4000 - $4000 per kg, depending if its a sattelite delpoyment and how high an orbit. To possibly $220kg with a space elevator.

Space Elevator



Make it a magnetic counterweight while you're at it to attract all the debris out there and clean up space. What, active satellites being dragged in too, well guess they need to adapt...


That would not be a good idea. Most space debris travels at around 17500 miles an hour. ANYTHING that gets hit at that speed is going to be hurting. I mean the international space station has to move out of the way when paint chips fly past at that speed.



I know precious little physics but it was from my understanding that objects travelling at those speeds would not be pulled on top of the incoming magnet in rotation but rather get swept up and follow it as a tail. I'm sure there's then some way to control the pull of the magnet to have the debris attach itself to it at a managable velocity, coming up in the wake of the wreckingball, not in a frontal impact.

BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:51:00 - [14]
 

Quote:
I know precious little physics but it was from my understanding that objects travelling at those speeds would not be pulled on top of the incoming magnet in rotation but rather get swept up and follow it as a tail. I'm sure there's then some way to control the pull of the magnet to have the debris attach itself to it at a managable velocity, coming up in the wake of the wreckingball, not in a frontal impact.


Well the problem with that is that most debris that heads for an object of greater mass generally end up smashing into it. Very few of them actually end up in geosynchronous orbit. The problem being that it has to be trying to escape at the same velocity that the celestial object is pulling it towards. If you graphed this on a straight line it would stay in one place. Since it's in 3-d space it goes around in a circle. But it doesn't happen often.

Sobach
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2009.06.19 23:19:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
space travel is necessary to continue rapid development of various necessary technologies.

I'm glad that our government and NASA agrees.


NASA agrees, but the government don't :/

they're slashing NASA's budget this year, reasoning being that the agency needs to "prove" that the money were well-spent first.

yea, because the billions we gave to the banks and and ppl like ACORN are money well-spent -_-

BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
Posted - 2009.06.19 23:54:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sobach
Originally by: rValdez5987
space travel is necessary to continue rapid development of various necessary technologies.

I'm glad that our government and NASA agrees.


NASA agrees, but the government don't :/

they're slashing NASA's budget this year, reasoning being that the agency needs to "prove" that the money were well-spent first.

yea, because the billions we gave to the banks and and ppl like ACORN are money well-spent -_-


That's such crap. Microwave technology wasn't money well spent at the time but we sure like our microwave popcorn now. Grrrrr

Bruce Deorum
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.20 11:00:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
For the last 40 years, anyone with the right equipment has been able to reflect laser beams off the mirrors that the Apollo astronauts placed there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment

I suppose the conspiracy theorists will argue that the mirrors were places there by robotic probes or some bull**** like that, but for some people there is just no arguing with them.


People who believe in such theories have these theories nailed into their head, and nothing can change that.

If you present them with 100 proofs/facts that rule out their conspiracy theory (either logic arguments, motive arguments, simply facts etc) they simply disregard them -just like that-, or they say that it is part of a bigger plan!, part of the conspiracy also, or they simply deny them as they dont mean anything... Complete paranoia.

However if there are 1-2 questions ananswered (classic case, most conspiracies main arguments are some ananswered questions ), questions that dont prove the conspiracy if answered, but simply they dont rule it out either, they stick to them and nothing i mean nothing can change their mind.

This goes for politics, religion, athletics all...

Miss Spark
The Scope
Posted - 2009.06.20 16:56:00 - [18]
 

They managed to fake it 40 years ago on "live" TV, I'm sure with todays technology they can FAKE pictures of landing sites :)

P.S. If they did fake it ;) This will prove nothing.

Not even seeing the landing sites myself on the moon would prove it to me, could of been made recently.

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.06.21 02:42:00 - [19]
 

The moon landing was faked. It was a coverup for the massive military operation we conducted there to secure a strange metal with amazing properties.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.06.21 06:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Luna Sistere
This thread disappoints. Here I was thinking that they were going to plan several launches and start putting in a modular biodome habitat on the sunny side of the moon allowing astronauts to spend more quality time there.

But instead we're just sending yet another probe into space so it gets a mediocre yay at best.


There really isn't a "sunny side" of the moon. Its called the "dark side" of the moon because the moon's spin is synchronized with its orbit around the earth so we never see that side. The moon gets sun all around its body, just like earth.

Now, if someone were to show me that there is a spot near the poles where sun never shines.. then I'd stand corrected.

ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.06.21 07:55:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Luna Sistere
This thread disappoints. Here I was thinking that they were going to plan several launches and start putting in a modular biodome habitat on the sunny side of the moon allowing astronauts to spend more quality time there.

But instead we're just sending yet another probe into space so it gets a mediocre yay at best.


There really isn't a "sunny side" of the moon. Its called the "dark side" of the moon because the moon's spin is synchronized with its orbit around the earth so we never see that side. The moon gets sun all around its body, just like earth.

Now, if someone were to show me that there is a spot near the poles where sun never shines.. then I'd stand corrected.


I think there is actually. There's a crater on one of the poles, and the inside of this crater never gets sunlight. I might be wrong though.


 

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