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Empyre
Chaotic Balance
Posted - 2009.06.18 05:30:00 - [91]
 

How could you be so insensitive? With the blatant disregard for the feelings of agoraphobics in this game, you want to whine about racism? psh, typical.


Nayannia Night
Channel 4 News Team
Posted - 2009.06.18 06:27:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Nayannia Night on 18/06/2009 06:29:18
Edited by: Nayannia Night on 18/06/2009 06:27:24
Originally by: Aaron

I had to pettition, we cant let the racists feel it is ok to call me a neeger, i would implore any person of any race to pettion racism.




wait are you black?

because in your picture you look like an angry white supremacist that wants to hurt me...

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.18 06:42:00 - [93]
 

I hate the damned minmaturz. NUKE THEM FROM ORBIT!!!

Chronos VIII
Amarr
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.06.18 11:18:00 - [94]
 

I totally agree with the op. My corp mates always make racist jokes about me, because I'm a black jew. They call me a true yosef, only because I linked a pic of mine ages ago.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.18 18:40:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Marcus Druallis

You are so hypersensitive that I became a bigot without making a single racial remark. DAMN you're good.


Sorry, should call you a "Supporter of Biggotry" not actually a bigot, just some one that makes bigotry alright. I can see the difference and why its important.

StationSpinner
Posted - 2009.06.18 18:55:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Arcturus Delanto

Case and point really


No

No

NO


The correct expression is "Case in point." Learn it and live by it, you cretinous fellow!

Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.06.18 19:01:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Arcturus Delanto
Originally by: Marcus Druallis

You are so hypersensitive that I became a bigot without making a single racial remark. DAMN you're good.


Sorry, should call you a "Supporter of Biggotry" not actually a bigot, just some one that makes bigotry alright. I can see the difference and why its important.


No, I don't support bigotry. What I am saying, is that if everyone whined all day about what offends them, or what they don't like, or what they prefer people not to say or do, nothing would ever get done.

You can sit there all day and complain about how you see racist remarks, or encounter racism in your day to day EVE life. Tbh, I don't give a ****. I do too. So does everyone, that is life. Get over it. Move on.

That is my point. Quit worrying about what other people are saying and doing, and just live your life.

SOOoooo, if you haven't really gotten my point yet: Quit crying like a little *****.Shocked

Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.06.18 19:26:00 - [98]
 

Words in an internet spaceship game? Offensive? Yeah. Right. Whatever.

B1FF
Posted - 2009.06.18 19:46:00 - [99]
 

I don't understand. No on in game knows what race I am so it's not possible for them to be racist.

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.18 20:30:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Marcus Druallis
No, I don't support bigotry. What I am saying, is that if everyone whined all day about what offends them, or what they don't like, or what they prefer people not to say or do, nothing would ever get done.

You can sit there all day and complain about how you see racist remarks, or encounter racism in your day to day EVE life. Tbh, I don't give a ****. I do too. So does everyone, that is life. Get over it. Move on.

That is my point. Quit worrying about what other people are saying and doing, and just live your life.

SOOoooo, if you haven't really gotten my point yet: Quit crying like a little *****.Shocked


Atleast you completely support the thought that Eve is full of bigots and racism, and no one cares. Which is the point of the entire thread. Eve is quite easily the most racist and bigoted mmo on the market.

I don't think there is a place for that repugnant vituperation any where in the world, let alone in a game that people play for fun. I guess I give credit to fellow capsuleers and think that they deserve the common decency I would afford even the most repulsive human I meet face to face. I guess some people think its fine to **** on any one, any where, as long as there aren't consequences, and I'm not like that.


Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.18 20:35:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: B1FF
I don't understand. No on in game knows what race I am so it's not possible for them to be racist.


If some one called you a Lazy ****ing mexican, regardless of what race you are, they are still racist against Mexicans. You just get to dodge the directed insult. Just because they were wrong about your race, doesn't make it any less racist.


Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.18 20:36:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: StationSpinner

The correct expression is "Case in point." Learn it and live by it, you cretinous fellow!


Sorry, fixed

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2009.06.18 20:56:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Figurehead
I hate racism and think racists are stoopid...



I think racists are dirty, inferior, disease-carrying subhumans who should be forcibly sterilised lest they further contaminate the gene pool.


Hey now wait a minute, without racism who would there be to fuel conflict? Without conflict would we have as many technological advances? You thank your local racist for the necessary flames provided to further mankind. Twisted Evil

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2009.06.18 21:06:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/06/2009 21:07:42
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
I hate the damned minmaturz. NUKE THEM FROM ORBIT!!!

Well, it was done. But they managed to find some trash and wrecks and create ships with.

Worse than Cockroachs.

Quote:
Hey now wait a minute, without racism who would there be to fuel conflict? Without conflict would we have as many technological advances? You thank your local racist for the necessary flames provided to further mankind. Twisted Evil

QFT

Zurius Arias
Windowlickers Inc
Wrath.
Posted - 2009.06.18 21:19:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Arcturus Delanto
Originally by: B1FF
I don't understand. No on in game knows what race I am so it's not possible for them to be racist.


If some one called you a Lazy ****ing mexican, regardless of what race you are, they are still racist against Mexicans. You just get to dodge the directed insult. Just because they were wrong about your race, doesn't make it any less racist.




This is the point that most anonymous internet users miss. They see the insult as an individual and do not regard the larger implication. The racist/bigoted/prejudicial statements are not only targeting one person but entire groups unjustly and more often then not erroneously. This anonymity allows the spewer of the hate speech to utter things that in real world society have consequences.

The hate speech from the real world would never be tolerated in public,non-virtual, circles. Most European and North American countries have laws and/or in lieu of laws consequences to the violation of these social norms and mores(read here shunning, firing from occupation, stigma). Here CCP is solely responsible for the application of their EULA and only chooses to do so when confronted. I personally would enjoy seeing CCP come out very publicly and very vociferously against any sort of real world hate speech. I do believe most other MMORPG providers have done so, especially after an incident or two in WOW a few years ago. Also having a line in a EULA does not exempt CCP from taking a positive leadership position, it only provides convenient excuses for a lack of real action.

Also to those posters that seem to think that this is an issue of everyone being offended over everything, that is a strawman and leads to belittling of the truth of the matter. Having a dispute with an individual is perfectly normal, especially in EVE, using hate speech to not only denigrate the individual you have issue with but also groups that you apparently bear malice towards is unacceptable.

While I am on a protracted rant, the usage of RL stereotypes to describe in game behavior falls under hate speech and bigoted as well. I point no fingers at any one group in Eve as it has been my experience that is everywhere with some very noted exceptions.

CCP should take a much needed public position and then enforce their own EULA within their sphere of influence and control, which is to say all of EVE and its other properties.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2009.06.18 21:48:00 - [106]
 

threads like this are awesome if for no other reason that they point out how stupid political correctness is.Cool

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:09:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
threads like this are awesome if for no other reason that they point out how stupid political correctness is.


Its not even political correctness that its about..it is about not being a complete douche bag :]


btw: Offical CCP policy is Here

Though as noted above, CCP only enforces such things when backed into a corner...and punishment for such things...well lets be honest, if they were severe we wouldn't be having this discussion as every one would know it wasn't allowed.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:13:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Discrodia on 18/06/2009 22:13:48
Only thing near racism is where me and my buddy laugh at the guy whose Brutor character looks like him IRL... other than that I haven't seen any racism in about a year and a half of EVE.

Edit: Which is way better than WoW did after about 5 minutes of free trial.

Joiske
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:27:00 - [109]
 

if i were to petition every time someone called me a sheep shagging welsh bastard .. well ... pointless ... i couldnt careless what i get called, i dont care about racism, religious views, leftist, rightist, gayness, minmatar, gallyness .. everyone, yes get to the point, everyone is a racist of sorts whether intentionally or unintentionally .... this is a f'in game ... we fly 3d space ships, play in a virtual environment ... get over it hit the block button ...


Jack Amarr
Inner Vort3x
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:46:00 - [110]
 

Racism in a sense is part of most cultures.

I'm english. Therefore I have a slight mistrust for the French and Germams, I don't want to put them in camps or steralise them, its just part of my culture. I'm equally aware that the rest of Britain hates the English. **** it, in their own cynical self-depricating way, even the English hate the English. Thats the only reason Britain has lasted so long, we all **** each other off so much that we would be lost without one another.


Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.18 23:26:00 - [111]
 

I guess the consensus is very clear, Bigotry is rampant in eve, and no one cares not even CCP.


Seems pretty cut and dry.


Trader20
Posted - 2009.06.18 23:35:00 - [112]
 

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Du'che Fru'fruu
Posted - 2009.06.19 01:03:00 - [113]
 

OP is a politically correct douchebag.

Good thing my past corpmates have been equally as ****ed up in the head as I am or they'd find my racism very offensive.

Seems to me the only people that get offended at racist remarks are white people.

WHITE PEOPLE WHO PRETTY MUCH CREATED EVERY RACIAL SLUR KNOWN TO MAAAAAN. Want it for yourselves, huh? Can't share?!

Zurius Arias
Windowlickers Inc
Wrath.
Posted - 2009.06.19 15:59:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Zurius Arias on 19/06/2009 15:58:52
Originally by: Joiske
if i were to petition every time someone called me a sheep shagging welsh bastard .. well ... pointless ... i couldnt careless what i get called, i dont care about racism, religious views, leftist, rightist, gayness, minmatar, gallyness .. everyone, yes get to the point, everyone is a racist of sorts whether intentionally or unintentionally .... this is a f'in game ... we fly 3d space ships, play in a virtual environment ... get over it hit the block button ...




Well this is not really racism. People chide each other based upon location all the time, this however is not hate speech in most cases. The fact that you equate political views and in game nonsense at the same level as real racism is rather disturbing. These are very different things, political views are chosen and can be changed by an individual their ethnicity and the stigmas attached to said generally cannot regardless of their desire to change. That moral equivalency is not valid.

Moral equivalency with political correctness while a convenient justification, is not the issue here. Hate speech, bigotry, and racism are the issue. Equating some silly notion of changing changing words to have seemingly a less caustic meaning is drastically different from hate speech. I personally think most political correctness is nonsense. Stereotyping and prejudicial speech however lead to much greater problems.

To the individual who spouted on about how much of a racist they truly are, and thank their corp they can stand them, it is those that say nothing that you may be offending, or are simply as bigoted as yourself. Also Racism/hate speech is not limited to any one group or ethnicity, nor did anyone here even remotely imply that to be the case. Your paranoia seems to help feed your biogtry.

Commander Shallow
Caldari
Vengeance Imperium
Posted - 2009.06.19 16:19:00 - [115]
 

Is it coz I is Caldari?

Angelik'a
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.19 16:23:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Arcturus Delanto
Originally by: B1FF
I don't understand. No on in game knows what race I am so it's not possible for them to be racist.


If some one called you a Lazy ****ing mexican... ...they are still racist against Mexicans.


What the? If you're Mexican, and someone calls you that it isn't fukcing racist - because you are Mexican and chances are you were also being lazy.

I'm from Scotland so I've heard it all. Some people just need to grow up, take it on the chin and stop playing the victim all the time (as long as it's nothing violent, that is. Comments like you made in my eyes are def. not racist).

Alice Willow
Posted - 2009.06.19 16:26:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Chronos VIII
I totally agree with the op. My corp mates always make racist jokes about me, because I'm a black jew. They call me a true yosef, only because I linked a pic of mine ages ago.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Don't worry about your corp mates making fun, looking good. Smile

Its funny.. I've always had this mental image of some eve players being the typical 4chan reading, white, lower-middle class background and somewhat socially ******ed nerds that think jewish and black jokes are funny and well worth the 'lulz' (say like googling 'black jew' then posting that saying its them, as that would somehow be so funny on its own). Its good to see that I'm wrong and your not that kind of pathetic loser Smile

Hoo Is
Posted - 2009.06.19 17:20:00 - [118]
 

Looks like the forum monster ate my other post...

I am a gay, black, transvestite, jew who is a member of the local group (3 letters, 11th letter of the alphabet) and also a member of a neo (german political group of the 30's and 40's).

Take your racism and stick it.



Only racist see racism... I am not prejudice, I hate everyone equally

RedSplat
Posted - 2009.06.19 17:43:00 - [119]
 

I'm not racist, i just hate each and every one of you irrespective of race, creed or tribe.

Crawl off and die oxygen thieves

Mike Seary
Minmatar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
Posted - 2009.06.19 19:05:00 - [120]
 

successful troll is successful


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