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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.17 03:27:00 - [61]
 

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Whats ur story folks? dont bother to reply if ur a troll.


This whole topic as presented by the op is trollish. You offered no specific example of an offense; you did not explain what you meant by racism in game that is not being aggressively curtailed. If you have a specific problem report it and it will be addressed... if not you are just trying to stir up trouble here...that is the definition of a troll.

Remember to some degree this game is about role playing fictional racist factions. Even people who claim to hate roleplay use "rollplay" as a justification for pirating in game. So I'm thinking yes.. it maybe mostly your imagination.

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.17 03:59:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 17/06/2009 04:03:17
Never...until now. Who are you hanging out with? And how do you know CCP doesn't care? Have you submitted screen shots? I suspect most of racially changed phrases here are idioms from outside of eve that people don't think hard on... but honestly I haven't seen this in eve.

Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
Vindicare Temple
Posted - 2009.06.17 04:25:00 - [63]
 

Racists is EvE?

No way, only 1 religion left and slavery to cover the other thing...

Kewso
Posted - 2009.06.17 05:53:00 - [64]
 

reminds me of all the whining that happened when youtube clones got started.

with godtube and jewtube

course i think they finally shut down
lol

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.06.17 09:03:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Robot Robot
Americans need to remember that blanket protection of hateful speech is a pretty uniquely American idea. That sort of stuff doesn't fly in most of the rest of the world. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech)

Also, Eve Online isn't an American game. In Iceland, simply uttering the word "******" can land you in jail. Further, even if Eve were an American game, CCP would have every legal right to restrict speech within it however they want in the interest of an enjoyable experience for their customers (the first amendment only applies to the federal government).

Personally, I would love to see CCP handing out automatic 30 day chat bans (prevents use of eve voice and chatting in any chat box, be it local, corp or private convo) for any hateful use of "******," "***got" or similar. Account banning for second offence. If you want to call someone "Caldari Pig-dog" or "Minmatar scum," that's fine. But hateful and violent speech from the out-of-game world is just pure asshattery and shouldn't be tolerated.



Well now. Not quite true. Most european countries allow racist expressions, but not if it is used as a way to harass someone. But then the crime committed is actually harassment, and not uttering a racist expression. Saying it once or twice, or saying it as a joke is not a crime in any way.

In fact, in Norway they put made a new law about 10 years ago, which stated that you could direct certain insults at a police officer, as these words weren't considered an insult, but a compliment. In northern Norway people use racial slurs all the time, and the foreigners that live there have adapted to that life style, and accepted that the natives don't use these expressions out of hatred, but as a way to treat them as "equals".

One other thing your forgetting is that there might be a RP reason for allowing some limited amount of "racism". My general advice to anybody that feels offended is: forget about it. Sticks and stones may brake my bones, but my soul remains free.

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2009.06.17 09:23:00 - [66]
 

I think racism is great.


Unless it's against Caldari :(

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.06.17 09:31:00 - [67]
 

Simple Rule of Thumb.

If you want your petition to be answered swiftly, and in your favour, start with the words "Hey, I'm a girl and.... [complaint]"

I presume GM Failchu still works for CCP.

Racism?
Yeah I imagine that is really bad. Words? On a screen? Ouch. Nobody can offend you without you first granting them permission to do so.

Unless of course you're talking about getting people's RL details, and then visiting them at home and attacking them. Bit hard to [Right Click - Block] a cricket bat I agree, but in those circumstances call the police.

In fact, if you really really really truely believe racism exists in Eve, a virtual simulated environment where nothing can be taken at face value nor can anything be proven, you should call the police anyway, because your racism laws cover pretty much everything (hey whining worked in RL too!) and typing the words will get you a month's community service whether you meant it or not.

So yeah. Ring the police you spineless, easily offended, fluntledooer. That's a word I just invented. It's the most racist thing you can possibly imagine, and then some. See how offended those words on a screen make you feel? Eh? Can you feel it? eh? Can ya? Eh? What ya gonna do about it eh? eh? Come on fluntlescum... come on then! Do it!

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.17 11:23:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Twin blade on 17/06/2009 11:24:54
I say most of it is said in a harmless way and that most people reading it go over the top have a hissy fit then whine about it for the next 10 mins.

Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.06.17 11:37:00 - [69]
 

Cry some more.

Might be wise to grow a pair and realise there are worse things on the internet, or in life generally.

If you don't do this - you're honestly going to be shocked when you're faced with a real issue.

A 10 day ban for 5 or 6 letters arranged in such a manner as to suggest color or race is ridiculous, to me - the word has very little if any meaning. I just see it as another way for people to say "dude" or "pal".

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2009.06.17 12:04:00 - [70]
 

dont get me wrong i can handle smak talk, ive had my fare share over the years and havent pettitioned, Reffering to any race in a derogative manner is wrong full stop.

my complaint is that i pay good money to escape from reality, but im still confronted with reality in a game.

CCP must accept that racisim is the lowest form of insult, and they must do all they can to stamp it out,

Ive always been civil to my enemies, and ive made it clear i didnt want them ratting in my system, they recieved numerous warnings but chose to ignore me, yes i was the aggressor and i did destroy a few ships, but thats no reason to be racist.

I had to pettition, we cant let the racists feel it is ok to call me a neeger, i would implore any person of any race to pettion racism.


Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2009.06.17 13:34:00 - [71]
 

I don't see where is the racism when we say that all Gallente are just gay scumbags, and all Matars are just dustmen who live in trash discharge and has a minimum IQ to create their duct tape who permit to keep their ships in one piece, barely.

Please explain.

Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.17 14:13:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Slave 2739FKZ on 17/06/2009 14:14:07
Confirming the OP is a fat ****** travesti female who is gay... caldari.

highonpop
Gallente
Sucker Punch Industries
Posted - 2009.06.17 15:26:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: highonpop on 17/06/2009 15:27:12
racism card = tool of a racist.

Just look at Al Sharpton. He pulls out the racism card at every turn he gets.

I think he is racist towards whites for doing that.


Racism is a matter of opinion. This is the internet. Everyone's opinions are welcome, whether you agree with them or not. Someone could do something you think is racist, but someone else doesnt think it is...

advice = get the f*** over it, and just dont pay attention to them.

Most people will only make those comments to get a rise out of you, and if you let them, then they win.

You complaining about someone's comments as racist is the same as someone getting mad about hearing music they dont like, when all they had to do is change the radio station on their FM dial. Wink


Sergeant Satanstein
Posted - 2009.06.17 17:25:00 - [74]
 

Two words - Hate Gallente.

I am racist, amirite?

Jitabug
Caldari
Viva POS Pinata
Posted - 2009.06.17 17:43:00 - [75]
 

Being abusive is an important part of free speech!

**** responsibility, we're all about the rights of the poor, hard done by, white, caucasian male!

Rolling Eyes

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.06.17 18:07:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Djakku
Originally by: TimMc
Welcome to the internet.


Agreed. It's sad but true, the internet gives people an opportunity for people to say whatever they like with little consequence, and there are a lot of idiots out there. Gamers are definitely the worst!
I feel there should be some policing mechanism in place in chat, specifically local chat to prevent foul language and racism.


I said welcome to the internet, not welcome to my doll house. The internet is humanity, unfiltered. Its not pretty but I love it.

Connner
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.17 18:12:00 - [77]
 

psh, Amarr scum. I might consider not being racist when you let my people free!

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.17 18:42:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Lt Angus


Shocked What kinda corp are you in


This is common in most corps in 0.0 politics. Goons, Pandemic Legion, Razor, Triple A. Listen to any state of the Goonion you'll hear it, head over to scrapheap you will also see it in nearly every thread that talks about money. Sit in Jita for a bit and you'll see it, watch trade chat and its there to. Not sure where yall have been not to see it...



Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.06.17 19:09:00 - [79]
 

A wise man once said to me, "use multispec or you get accused of racism".

Br0ke
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.17 19:26:00 - [80]
 

GoonSwarm would never use racism for comedy or to hurt others. These posts are complete slander aimed at vilifying goons.

Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.06.17 19:27:00 - [81]
 

C'mon, we are all ****ing adults, grow up and stop letting internet people bother you. ****. People that ***** and moan about racism on the internet are ****ing ******ed.

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.06.17 20:03:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Marcus Druallis
C'mon, we are all ****ing adults, grow up and stop letting internet people bother you. ****. People that ***** and moan about racism on the internet are ****ing ******ed.


You Sir, just became my personal hero!

Oh, btw, TL;DR version of what he just said: "Sticks and stones..."

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2009.06.17 20:22:00 - [83]
 

To the OP. Go rent Gran Torino and lighten up.

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.17 20:23:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Arcturus Delanto on 18/06/2009 20:35:19
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
I can be a bigot, and no one can/will stop me


fixed for you

Case in point really, I think even named Razor previously as completely accepting of bigotry.

Pnandor
Posted - 2009.06.17 20:24:00 - [85]
 

Is the word racist legal in forum ?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.06.17 20:28:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Br0ke
GoonSwarm would never use racism for comedy or to hurt others. These posts are complete slander aimed at vilifying goons.


It's monstrous the way these vile rumours get spread :(

Donkey Pong
Gallente
Static Shock Industries
Posted - 2009.06.17 21:44:00 - [87]
 

Its (pretty much) a free world. People have different views, they should be allowed free reign to express those views (for the most part). Besides most racism comes from the races that are doing the whining then from those who it is claimed against.

Rolling Eyes

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.17 21:57:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Arcturus Delanto on 17/06/2009 21:57:42
Originally by: Donkey Pong
Its (pretty much) a free world. People have different views, they should be allowed free reign to express those views (for the most part). Besides most racism comes from the races that are doing the whining then from those who it is claimed against.

Rolling Eyes


My examples show this to be true...wait...what? No They are just heinously disparaging remarks towards a group of people.

It may be a free world, but does that make you any less of a bigot/Racist? Nope!

Arcturus Delanto
Posted - 2009.06.17 22:07:00 - [89]
 

I guess the point is, you can be a racist/bigot in real life, but what place does that vileness have in an a game?

Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.06.18 05:13:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Arcturus Delanto
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
I can be a bigot, and no one can/will stop me


fixed for you

Case and point really, I think even named Razor previously as completely accepting of bigotry.


You are so hypersensitive that I became a bigot without making a single racial remark. DAMN you're good.Rolling EyesRolling Eyes


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