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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:28:00 - [31]
 

filthy Achura, just as bad as those Gallente pigheads Evil or Very Mad

wowtard
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:36:00 - [32]
 

Stop being offended by **** on the internet or use the block option. Problem solved.

What a bunch of whining pussies.

Figurehead
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Robot Robot
Originally by: Figurehead
I hate racism and think racists are stoopid.

Even more than that, I think people who try to censor everything that offends them are worse.

Say it with me... "Freedom of speech exists to protect offensive speech" "Thought crime is abhorrent in a free society"

That said, eve is a social game. if you believe there are racists, wardec their corp or pay someone else to do it.


Americans need to remember that blanket protection of hateful speech is a pretty uniquely American idea. That sort of stuff doesn't fly in most of the rest of the world. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech)

Also, Eve Online isn't an American game. In Iceland, simply uttering the word "******" can land you in jail. Further, even if Eve were an American game, CCP would have every legal right to restrict speech within it however they want in the interest of an enjoyable experience for their customers (the first amendment only applies to the federal government).

Personally, I would love to see CCP handing out automatic 30 day chat bans (prevents use of eve voice and chatting in any chat box, be it local, corp or private convo) for any hateful use of "******," "***got" or similar. Account banning for second offence. If you want to call someone "Caldari Pig-dog" or "Minmatar scum," that's fine. But hateful and violent speech from the out-of-game world is just pure asshattery and shouldn't be tolerated.





I am well aware of the cosmopolitan nature of eve and its players. I am also aware of other countries' hate speech laws (in general, not country by country). I also agree with you that this behavior should not be tolerated.

However, I think the community of players should be the ones deal with it, and that the way to do so should be in game violence and ostracizing of players whose behavior you find to be objectionable.

You will never convince me that freedom of speech is wrong or that thought crime as a concept is OK.

Real world politics aside, I don't want to play a game where I have to be worried about the secret thought police monitoring chat logs. Also, PvP is so much more satisfying when it's against an opponent you know and hate.

So, CCP please don't ban the racists. Let us hunt them instead!

Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:44:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Figurehead
I hate racism and think racists are stoopid.

Even more than that, I think people who try to censor everything that offends them are worse.

Say it with me... "Freedom of speech exists to protect offensive speech" "Thought crime is abhorrent in a free society"

That said, eve is a social game. if you believe there are racists, wardec their corp or pay someone else to do it.


This. If people want to scream racism from the roof tops (or local chat), let them, just as long as we get to scream "You're a ****ing idiot!" back.

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:45:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: KiloAlpha
look at it this way, do u really give a **** what somebody playing internet spaceships has to say about you



internet spaceships


I'm offended !!! RazzLaughingLaughingLaughing



Hanneshannes
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:50:00 - [36]
 

This is the internet. Grow a thicker skin and get over it. I haven't encountered too much racism (mainly because I'm not paying attention to any local chats really) and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It could be worse.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:53:00 - [37]
 

although i do find RL comments in local, that are foul mouthed or racist offensive, i get over it by feeling ever so happy that i made them THAT angry to say it in the first place :)

Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:56:00 - [38]
 

Actual honest to goodness racism is pretty dumb. Racism for purposes of humor can be pretty damned funny.

Worse than racists are the hyper-sensitive bleeding hearts that actually take offense to ignorant comments. To the OP: Suck it up, buttercup. No one wants to hear how the bad man hurt you with his mean words.

Zodiac TheMarketRat
Posted - 2009.06.16 19:33:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Robot Robot
In Iceland, simply uttering the word "******" can land you in jail.
Shocked

Gerdan BloodELF
Minmatar
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.06.16 19:50:00 - [40]
 

you know that this is the internet.

you are not black white yellow green or blue.



we are simply people it doesnt matter if you are fat thin one legged 2 legged or no legged thats the beauty of it really we are simply words or a voice over comms racism only exsist's if you make it exsist.

My point of view.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.06.16 19:56:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Gerdan BloodELF
you know that this is the internet.

you are not black white yellow green or blue.



we are simply people it doesnt matter if you are fat thin one legged 2 legged or no legged thats the beauty of it really we are simply words or a voice over comms racism only exsist's if you make it exsist.

My point of view.


Says a filthy Minmatar.
Slaves should be seen and not heard.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.06.16 20:41:00 - [42]
 

Words are not hateful.
Intent is.

Yankee is a prejudicial slur, did you know that? 200yrs ago it was used with as much vehemence as *snip*, etc, etc, etc is now.

And we have a bloody baseball team using the word for a name.

People use the words because others CRY about them.

idiots

Don't bypass the language filter. Zymurgist

motomysz
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:16:00 - [43]
 

I'm a social racist. I never make racist remarks by myself, only when I'm with friends who are being racist too. That makes it okay.

Trustworthy Joe
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:23:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Zodiac TheMarketRat
Originally by: Robot Robot
In Iceland, simply uttering the word "******" can land you in jail.
Shocked


dang. i never knew nagger was a bad word.

you know, the people that you hate? the ones that nag you over and over again

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:36:00 - [45]
 

Not that it matters where you come from, your religion, matttress gymnastic orientation or your physical or mental ability. If they're using any of those things against you, then you MAY be being too open and honest at the start.

On the internet, it's good being honest, there's a very high level of anonymity about it. However - some people (lousy biggoted people) will use it against you, simply because they don't like you for whatever reason. Maybe you're better at Eve Online than they are. Or simply they don't like your spelling grammer or speach ability.

There's one thing I learnt playing online group games and that's to have a thick skin and the block command at the ready. Life is too short for hatred, there's the block command and a Kill On Sight list at your fingertips, waste no time on haters.

Sadly unlike employement law in most countries we can't prosecute and jail characters in Eve without very substantial proof - I wonder if any character has been banned and for how long for racial abuse/death threats typed in channel.

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:41:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
dang. i never knew nagger was a bad word.

you know, the people that you hate? the ones that nag you over and over again


As in Wife/Partner, yes it's a bad word, a lot like confusing the phrase:

You're a vision first thing in the morning with,

You're a sight first thing in the mornig.

One word makes all the difference, don't mess it up.

Trader20
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:42:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Trader20 on 16/06/2009 21:47:23

Racism is funny and if you don't think so then your a liberal. Also wrong forum and stop whining.

Trader20
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:52:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: motomysz
I'm a social racist. I never make racist remarks by myself, only when I'm with friends who are being racist too. That makes it okay.


Lol so true. I wasn't always racist. I started becoming racist when people of different colors/races said to me the I can't talk bad about them. Lol, that'll teach them not to tell people what to do. Laughing

Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.06.16 22:23:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Petra Katell on 16/06/2009 22:24:50
I'm greatly offended by the fact that people are so easily offended.

Honestly, grow a pair and stop being a baby.

Realize that people being racist are usually just giving you a hard time and to get a reaction. Of course, there are *real* racists out there, so when someone won't hire you, makes you sit in the back of the bus or violences you because of your skin color, let us know.

/also confirming my entire corp would have been banned a long time ago
//welcome to the interwebs.
///poly does want a cracker

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2009.06.16 22:35:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Aaron
dont bother to reply if ur a troll.




So, you're saying trolls are not entitled to their opinion. Now that's racism!

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.16 23:01:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Aaron
hi,

Is it my imagination or are people being racist and being allowed to get away with it with just a slap on the wrist?

Too many times people have been racist and I still see them flying around after ive submitted a pettition.

If i had my way id give them a 10 day ban, that would make them think twice about being racist, The level of dicipline in eve sucks.

Whats ur story folks? dont bother to reply if ur a troll.


People like you that keep racism alive :)

Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.06.16 23:09:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Welcome to the internet.


Agreed. It's sad but true, the internet gives people an opportunity for people to say whatever they like with little consequence, and there are a lot of idiots out there. Gamers are definitely the worst!
I feel there should be some policing mechanism in place in chat, specifically local chat to prevent foul language and racism.

wowtard
Posted - 2009.06.16 23:16:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Djakku
Originally by: TimMc
Welcome to the internet.


Agreed. It's sad but true, the internet gives people an opportunity for people to say whatever they like with little consequence, and there are a lot of idiots out there. Gamers are definitely the worst!
I feel there should be some policing mechanism in place in chat, specifically local chat to prevent foul language and racism.


This is why we can't have nice things. Grow a pair. It's enough that most people have to be very careful about every word they say at work lest some dipstick gets offended. We don't need that pressure in our leisure time. You're probably some sophomore political science major with a Che t-shirt and wouldn't understand.

Damned fascists wanting everyone to step into line.

Information Broker
Posted - 2009.06.16 23:46:00 - [54]
 

This is ridiculous... I enjoy carebear tears O_O

on a 2nd note.. does it really matter? You're going to hear it on a weekly, if not daily, basis in real life so big deal?

Quake Abuse
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.17 01:15:00 - [55]
 

as a black jew in RL i'm hugely offended by this thread

Quake Abuse
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.17 01:25:00 - [56]
 

I'm also a lesbian and a feminist, which makes everything a man says offensive to me

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2009.06.17 01:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Quake Abuse
I'm also a lesbian and a feminist, which makes everything a man says offensive to me


I love lesbians (rather sexy females) and as a feminist myself I support everything a women does i.e Work a full time job, full time mother, full time house cleaner and cook for no extra pay oh and if you're good at ironing you'll get a medal eventually.

I think the biggest mistake of all time was females wanting equality but getting 200% the workload in life.

The main lesson is - careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.

matbrum
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2009.06.17 01:35:00 - [58]
 

Targetted racism and abuse = unacceptable

Having an opinion = acceptable

That's how it works where I come from anyway. I have heard several stories of players being targetted by abusive/racist individuals. Upon petition the offender has usually been banned for several days upon review of the chat logs.

On the other hand people are allowed their opinions. Just block/smack/pod those you find being idiots and get on with serious internet spaceships business. Cool

SquidVictory
Materialist Industrial Complex
Posted - 2009.06.17 02:35:00 - [59]
 

Look there is a "block" option and chat filter...
Most of the people that are talking smack and being racist are just screwing around
Don't take anything on the internet too seriously
Cuz you'll just end up making yourself look like a whining trollRolling Eyes

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2009.06.17 02:40:00 - [60]
 

Racist comments hold the value you give to them.

That's the only way racism get's power.


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