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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:01:00 - [1]
 

hi,

Is it my imagination or are people being racist and being allowed to get away with it with just a slap on the wrist?

Too many times people have been racist and I still see them flying around after ive submitted a pettition.

If i had my way id give them a 10 day ban, that would make them think twice about being racist, The level of dicipline in eve sucks.

Whats ur story folks? dont bother to reply if ur a troll.


Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:05:00 - [2]
 

Mainly people whining about stuff which might offend someone somewhere, not much real racism.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:06:00 - [3]
 

I tend to see frequent drips and drabs of 'casual' racism here and there, but nothing really that warrants any real concern.

Sometimes people are simply hypersensitive, near enough looking for something to be offended by to give them purpose and motivation when they've got nothing bett to do.



TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:10:00 - [4]
 

Welcome to the internet.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:11:00 - [5]
 

How can someone be a casual racist? Also what types of racism have you seen? Submitted a petition with a screenshot etc?

Ringo Jeicha
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:12:00 - [6]
 

Proof or it didnt happen.

Figurehead
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:14:00 - [7]
 

I hate racism and think racists are stoopid.

Even more than that, I think people who try to censor everything that offends them are worse.

Say it with me... "Freedom of speech exists to protect offensive speech" "Thought crime is abhorrent in a free society"

That said, eve is a social game. if you believe there are racists, wardec their corp or pay someone else to do it.

Xianthar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:17:00 - [8]
 

probably just role playing, remember this is a game about 4 different races trying to kill each other, bound to be some animosity :p

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:24:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Aaron
hi,

Is it my imagination or are people being racist and being allowed to get away with it with just a slap on the wrist?

Too many times people have been racist and I still see them flying around after ive submitted a pettition.

If i had my way id give them a 10 day ban, that would make them think twice about being racist, The level of dicipline in eve sucks.

Whats ur story folks? dont bother to reply if ur a troll.




You are bringing the topic up, therefore you are a racist. Wink

Seriously, if CCP starts taking that too seriously, then the charge of racism becomes a weapon. Here in the USA, we have a president who many call black, though he is not entirely so, whose policies, not a subject of this matter, one can agree or disagree with. However its becoming a political tactic to levy the charge of racism against those who disagree with his policies. During the Bush administration years, anyone disgreeing with the "war on terror" was accused of being an anti-semite or "with the terrorists".

So we can see what happens, and how dangerous it is when you use such tactics to silence the opposition. During Bush we got an illegal war, during Obama we are getting a Caldari State (sorry, could not avoid the comparison).

So imagine if this "tool" becomes useful in EVE and CCP, afraid of being called insensitive, gets overzealoous about it. Might as well have a high-slot "Accuse of racis" module that instantly blows up the opponent and shuts down their account for 10 days. In American politics the accusation is already the ultimate "I WIN" button that has done much to destroy liberty and bankrupt a nation, so why worry about a virtual space ship?

Blastrodamus
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:25:00 - [10]
 

i'm extremely racist against gallente's and minnies. it's part of the game.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:27:00 - [11]
 

Minmatar are at it again!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:28:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
I tend to see frequent drips and drabs of 'casual' racism here and there, but nothing really that warrants any real concern.

Sometimes people are simply hypersensitive, near enough looking for something to be offended by to give them purpose and motivation when they've got nothing better to do.





Best post you have ever made.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:29:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Figurehead
I hate racism and think racists are stoopid...



I think racists are dirty, inferior, disease-carrying subhumans who should be forcibly sterilised lest they further contaminate the gene pool.

Noa Fuyu
Amarr
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:37:00 - [14]
 

Theres a block feature you know

Kewso
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:43:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kewso on 16/06/2009 16:44:57
Edited by: Kewso on 16/06/2009 16:44:02
woohoo racists ftw
without it there's no pvp :)
so any ship that aint same color as me should die in a fire or hung by the cσckpit from a stargate.

caldari ftw


Steppa
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:44:00 - [16]
 

The great thing about racist comments is that you, as the viewer or hear'er(?) of said comment is completely in control. A racist comment only has as much power as you give it. If you remember that the person making such a statement is likely a sad, self-hating bigot, you can go on about your merry way. On the other hand, if you take it personally, sucks to be you.

Muhammed Jafar
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:53:00 - [17]
 

Minmittar deserve what they get. Damn slaves need to get back to the fields.

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:56:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Aaron on 16/06/2009 17:01:34
Edited by: Aaron on 16/06/2009 17:00:42
ok here is a typical convo i had involving racism;

-----------------------------------------
Please don't evade the language filter. Zymurgist
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Come on, surley that kind of behaviour cant be accepted??

why didnt he just call me an a$$hole?, why does he have to go so deep and bring real life race issues into it?

CCP need to do somthing about this, start handing out 10 day bans.


FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:02:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Aaron
stuff



Sounds like you need to learn to smack. If someone said that to me in local I would have some fun with him.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:03:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Abrazzar on 17/06/2009 10:49:53
Your species offends me.

Robot Robot
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:13:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Figurehead
I hate racism and think racists are stoopid.

Even more than that, I think people who try to censor everything that offends them are worse.

Say it with me... "Freedom of speech exists to protect offensive speech" "Thought crime is abhorrent in a free society"

That said, eve is a social game. if you believe there are racists, wardec their corp or pay someone else to do it.


Americans need to remember that blanket protection of hateful speech is a pretty uniquely American idea. That sort of stuff doesn't fly in most of the rest of the world. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech)

Also, Eve Online isn't an American game. In Iceland, simply uttering the word "******" can land you in jail. Further, even if Eve were an American game, CCP would have every legal right to restrict speech within it however they want in the interest of an enjoyable experience for their customers (the first amendment only applies to the federal government).

Personally, I would love to see CCP handing out automatic 30 day chat bans (prevents use of eve voice and chatting in any chat box, be it local, corp or private convo) for any hateful use of "******," "***got" or similar. Account banning for second offence. If you want to call someone "Caldari Pig-dog" or "Minmatar scum," that's fine. But hateful and violent speech from the out-of-game world is just pure asshattery and shouldn't be tolerated.

Veliria
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:15:00 - [22]
 

Many players are Caldari, which are xenophobic, many new players choose Caldari.
Put those two together and you get...?

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:27:00 - [23]
 

Too many intaki mullets in here...

Shadow Devourer
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:44:00 - [24]
 

Gallente are gay. Minmatar should only have three-fifths of a vote.


Shadow Devourer
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:46:00 - [25]
 

OOG racism though... well this is an internet game. Ever play FPS or RTS online? You should've known what to expect.

Difference is here you can petition and if you're lucky have them banned.

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:59:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Ghoest on 16/06/2009 18:00:02
This is a game where there is only 1 black race and by design they had the lowest intelligence of all races for the first 6 years of the game.

I dont see the devs being very concerned about racism in game.

shwarzkauph
bullets with butterfly wings
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:05:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 16/06/2009 18:00:02
This is a game where there is only 1 black race and by design they had the lowest intelligence of all races for the first 6 years of the game.

I dont see the devs being very concerned about racism in game.


In eve your free to do or say whatever you want. All except type **** (German Soldier of the Past) apparently

Jaina Proudmoar
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:05:00 - [28]
 

And it matters that people are being "racist" on the internet because? ...

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:17:00 - [29]
 

caldari scumbags ?

KiloAlpha
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.16 18:20:00 - [30]
 

look at it this way, do u really give a **** what somebody playing internet spaceships has to say about you


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