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Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:12:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ans Blix on 15/06/2009 12:19:16
I've decided that after i finish collage i'm getting a boat, heres the logic:

Most people get a morgage and spend the next 20-25 years of their life paying it off, sucking up to the bank and employers for more hours. Between the morgage, you pay for electricity, phone, food, bin charges, paint jobs.. this is excluding the car and its fuel, maintainence and tax. As i've read once, there is nothing more demoralising than a low, but adaquate income. This doesn't suit me.

From my minimal research into what needs to be done, it'll cost be the same price as a good car (5-20k) to get a decent sized boat, some ranging as low as 5k, about 7k euro. A berthing charge in Dublin on a marina is 3K euro per year and fuel (green diseal, i think) is 0.85 cent a litre (100litre tank = 85 euro to fill). The boat will have sails (free transport), Power up the engine for electricity, optional solar and wind energy. water is collectable, but free in most cases. Pay for food as you usually would, rubbish goes in communal dumps.

Work as you normal would, and now your when your in the club, your chat up line is "hey, wanna come back to ma boat?" Of course when she comments on its size, you hit back "its not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean"

Once every 2 years, put it on the dry dock and give the hull a good cleaning and paint with anti fouling, replace sacrifical Anodes every 3 - 4 yeas i think.

Bonus perk, some lucky Eve'ers could commison me to bring them to Iceland with me for fanfest Twisted Evil and paint it a Eve theme

As an edit, i should probably ask if anyone sees any faults in my plan?

Corwain
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:22:00 - [2]
 

I guess not, but those pickup lines sound pretty lame, definitely cliched.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:22:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ans Blix
Work as you normal would, and now your when your in the club, your chat up line is "hey, wanna come back to ma boat?" Of course when she comments on its size, you hit back "its not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean"

I would consider the water in the big harbours a little bit too dirty to have such a dream, but if it is a dream of yours then you should definitely pursue it.

But be prepared for when the rocking of the oceans is not the commitment your lady is looking for. They do happen to look for other qualities, too.

Tara Moss
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:27:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Tara Moss on 15/06/2009 12:35:15
A friend of mine did just that.

His parents owned a home on Sydney Harbour. Instead of renovating their home they simply bought a modest boat and parked it on the jetty where he lived for a number of years.

If you can put up with the cry of seagulls, the ding-ding sound of windblown masts, creaking of hulls and the roll of the ocean it's not too bad.

You do have to manage your septic tank, refuse disposal and cooking in a confined space can be a pain. But it's not a bad lifestyle for a bachelor.

Edit: You mentioned sails. Typically sailing boats are not made for creature comfort -although some certainly are. I would not limit yourself to a sailing boat if you're looking for something to live in.

But then again a motorboat won't earn you any cred among the boaties.

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:48:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Ans Blix
Work as you normal would, and now your when your in the club, your chat up line is "hey, wanna come back to ma boat?" Of course when she comments on its size, you hit back "its not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean"

I would consider the water in the big harbours a little bit too dirty to have such a dream, but if it is a dream of yours then you should definitely pursue it.

That's a brit for ya'

Zen Mehari
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:52:00 - [6]
 

In addition to the above post, I would add the following:

- Access. If you use a berth at a sailing/yacht club make sure you have around-the-clock access. Also expect to pay more for a jetty berth than a buoy-anchor.

- Waiting list. Some sailing clubs -particularly those near the CBD, could have a waiting list for a jetty berth which you'll want to get on early.

Good luck with your future.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.06.15 12:54:00 - [7]
 

Hey, if your boat doesn't have radar stealth abilities, and torpedoes, then it really isn't worth getting.

Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:04:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Zen Mehari
In addition to the above post, I would add the following:

- Access. If you use a berth at a sailing/yacht club make sure you have around-the-clock access. Also expect to pay more for a jetty berth than a buoy-anchor.

- Waiting list. Some sailing clubs -particularly those near the CBD, could have a waiting list for a jetty berth which you'll want to get on early.

Good luck with your future.


I was only thinking about that the other day, whats the deal with finding a shelthered cove or something and dropping a mooring? I wouldn't mind getting a small outboard to go to and fro, only bring the big boat to the pier for large supply transfers (shopping, rubbish etc)

Also, whats a CBD?

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:07:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ans Blix
Originally by: Zen Mehari
In addition to the above post, I would add the following:

- Access. If you use a berth at a sailing/yacht club make sure you have around-the-clock access. Also expect to pay more for a jetty berth than a buoy-anchor.

- Waiting list. Some sailing clubs -particularly those near the CBD, could have a waiting list for a jetty berth which you'll want to get on early.

Good luck with your future.


I was only thinking about that the other day, whats the deal with finding a shelthered cove or something and dropping a mooring? I wouldn't mind getting a small outboard to go to and fro, only bring the big boat to the pier for large supply transfers (shopping, rubbish etc)

Also, whats a CBD?


CBD - Central Business District aka Downtown for the yanks.

Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:11:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Ans Blix on 15/06/2009 13:11:47
oh ok

CBD wouldn't be a problem them, as with Dublin its on a river, and there would be plenty of parking per se

Also just north of dublin a place called Malihide, even closer to my house and out of the way

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.06.15 14:09:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Drunk Driver on 15/06/2009 14:09:27
http://www.catalinayachts.com/about.cfm

http://www.huntermarine.com/


I've always wanted my own sailboat. I did some sailing while I was in the navy. It was great






Luna Nilaya
Blood Works Inc.
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2009.06.15 14:22:00 - [12]
 

You can also sail away quickly if the city becomes infested with zombies.

Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.06.15 14:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Luna Nilaya
You can also sail away quickly if the city becomes infested with zombies.


EXACTLY!

Ratchman
Posted - 2009.06.15 14:28:00 - [14]
 

Dream? Sounds more like a nightmare to me.

But then, I get seasick standing in a puddle.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.15 16:20:00 - [15]
 

My questions would be how well protected is the harbor from storms that might inflict damage on the boat? What would the insurance be like? How good is the Internet/Tv connections in the area? How close is Somalia?

VanderMarq
Posted - 2009.06.15 16:38:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: VanderMarq on 15/06/2009 16:39:03
disregard

Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.06.15 16:38:00 - [17]
 

I guess it would fair they same as any boat in the harbour during a storm, i suppose it depends on how well its tied up, how well its maintaned, "Ship Shape" as it were.

Good question on the insurance, i wonder if its like cars, 21 year old males get the higher premium lol, i'll have to check.

You can get big Sat TV domes for world wide tv, same for internet i'm sure.

In a straight line, Somila is 6,650km away from dublin, but they'd have to come through mainland europe.. That reminds me, any player looking for a lift to fanfest when i get the boat must have good sec status Razz

Krystal Vernet
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.15 16:46:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ans Blix
You can get big Sat TV domes for world wide tv, same for internet i'm sure.

Satellite internet sucks, from what I've heard. If you can, always try to get Internet without it.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.15 17:02:00 - [19]
 

Wouldnt the wave movement on the boat play havoc with the satalites signal?

Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.06.15 17:09:00 - [20]
 

They say that the two happiest days in a boat owners life are the day he gets his boat and the day he sells it.

I would strongly recommend first talking to someone who has had a boat for a long time.

ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.06.15 17:09:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Alarik Frisch
They say that the two happiest days in a boat owners life are the day he gets his boat and the day he sells it.

I would strongly recommend first talking to someone who has had a boat for a long time.


That's why it's a dome.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.06.15 17:16:00 - [22]
 

If you live somewhere where the harbour get iced up you may have to dry dock it every year. ie Toronto had this problem Crying or Very sad

Ben Sullivan
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.06.15 20:04:00 - [23]
 

They have Euros in Ireland?
Oh where have I been.

Zakarazor
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
Posted - 2009.06.15 20:52:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Zakarazor on 15/06/2009 20:53:23
forget about the boat. get a barge. like the guy in the highlander series.

Barge

Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.06.15 21:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ben Sullivan
They have Euros in Ireland?
Oh where have I been.


Yes, Ireland have Euro, Northern Ireland are still Sterling though.


houseboat = absolutly not. It reminds be of a a picture i saw with a caravan on a large pallet thing with massive spetic tank on the top and redneck driving it with a 10hp outboard. I will not be a river gypsy damnit!

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.06.15 21:08:00 - [26]
 

a barge would prolly be better ...and guess what ! you dont pay council tax living on a river barge Wink

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.15 21:11:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ans Blix
In a straight line, Somila is 6,650km away from dublin, but they'd have to come through mainland europe.. That reminds me, any player looking for a lift to fanfest when i get the boat must have good sec status Razz

Not all of us Somali's live near Somalia! YARRRR!!

Also, it's ship if you plan on owning a sea-worthy vessel, unless you plan on owning a floating bathtub.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.06.15 21:12:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Awesome Possum on 16/06/2009 00:21:06
Edited by: Awesome Possum on 15/06/2009 21:19:14
Having been a LOB (live on board) for 3yrs down island, I'll throw in a couple pennies.

Boats are far more expensive than you'd think, and far smaller than you realize. I would not recommend trying to live on anything under 45'. To put costs in comparison, a 1975 51' sailboat costs about US$100,000. Although if you go down island, its possible you'll find a good deal from someone 'quitting' the water.

I lived on a 40' sailboat and the thing was SMALL. At its widest, it was 8 ft wide., and "floor" to "ceiling" was probably 5'10. Luckily, my father and I are both short, so it wasn't an issue.

Keeping food: Depending on where you live, food is usually more expensive than in a home/apt. You'll be using an icebox for food, which has to be filled with ice 1-2x a day (in marinas, ice is pretty expensive). Milk, well it usually isn't smart, we never kept it unless it was used immediately. Due to the size of the icebox vs a fridge, you can't shop long term for items, almost all food you buy has to be used up within a week or so (unless you really like canned stuff).

Electronics: Unless you have a sealed interior, and a dehumidifier running constantly, you'll be forced to purchase marine electronics. All the fun stuff; camera, computer, stereo.. they corrode pretty quickly. Salt air sucks.

Electricity: Learn to love books and hurricane lamps. 2 solar panels and a wind generator will be all you need. (A backup generator will never go amiss, though)

Water: Desalination sucks, plain truth, so does rain caught water. If you're on a mooring, you'll be collecting 5-20gallons of water from the docks a day. If you're on a jetty, you'll be hooked up directly. Marina I lived in charged $0.05 a gallon, but it may be less expensive elsewhere.

Fuel: If you have a sailboat, you should be sailing. You'll only need fuel and prop power for maneuvering into/out of harbour, and to charge your batteries if/when needed. My grandfather was boat sitting a boat that had a 5hp diesel with only 5 gallon fuel tank. That was enough fuel to push us 1/4 way around Puerto Rico.

Weather: You think pulling up anchor and out racing storms is simple? Try again. Hurricanes are extremely unpredictable, and it is by far safer to batten down in harbour and ride it out, rather than trying to out-guess and out race it. Everyone in St Thomas listened to a schooner on the radio try to do just that and lose. Nothing compares to listening to 5 men die, while the Coast Guard is powerless to do anything.

However, being able to spend hurricane season safe up north, and coming back down to the tropics for the rest of the year is something your friends will be jealous of.

Life style: We're called schooner trash, and we live it and love it. You'll learn things like "dhingy arse", "fend off, fedge off, eff off", and "the bigger boat always has right of way". You'll meet cast offs, geniuses, crazies, bookworms, runaways, fugitives, pirates, and parrot heads.

New Years: Must be spent at Foxy's in Jost van Dyke, BVI.....


....Dunno how but the forum at my post, I'll try to reconstruct the rest of it. Still had plenty of characters left =/

edit: sea slug was only 40ft, not 50.. typo

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.06.15 21:16:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Also, it's ship if you plan on owning a sea-worthy vessel, unless you plan on owning a floating bathtub.


Ships have to be big enough to carry boats, and boats have to be small enough to be carried by ships.

;)

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.06.15 21:28:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Awesome Possum on 15/06/2009 21:28:52
IF YOU WANT TO LIVE THIS LIFESTYLE

You absolutely must read "Don't Stop The Carnival" by Herman Wouk, its an old book but essential. Also, pick up some books by Cap'n Fatty Goodlander.

I'd also recommend the Callahan series by Spider Robinson, and the DiscWorld series by Terry Pratchett. As well, "Tales from Margaritaville", "Where is Joe Merchant?", and "A Salty Piece of Land" by Jimmy Buffett. Imagine all those weirdos living around you and you'll have a good idea of what it's like.

And yes, some of the weird stuff in those books really does happen... get a hold of any boatie and ask for some stories. I'm sure there's plenty of blogs out there.

http://weathergage.com/literature/of%20yachties%20and%20schooner%20trash.htm

Sincerely,
Pissant Rob
son of Cape Cod Bob
grandson of Boston Bob

Yes, you'll get a name too. No, you won't get to pick it.


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