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Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
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Posted - 2009.06.13 09:46:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Flammard on 26/09/2010 02:35:45
Update:

I'm not developing Mac Eve Tools much any more. While I will continue to maintain it in line with updates or expansions from CCP, I won't be performing any more major development on it. I no longer play eve on a mac, and so I don't really use MET anymore.

I've published the sourcecode on github here for anyone who wants to hack on the code themselves.
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Automatic Updates
To enable the automatic updater, go to preferences, select general settings and tick the "Enable automatic updates"
Automatic updates use sparkle

If anyone finds the program useful, has feedback, suggestions or flames then please let me know by posting here.

The program is available here:
Note: MacOS 10.5 and earlier is not supported. Snow Leopard is required.
http://www.mtyson.id.au/MacEveApi/Mac Eve Tools.dmg

If you are still running Leopard, please use this version instead.
This is an older version and is not up to date.
http://www.mtyson.id.au/MacEveApi/Mac Eve Tools.app.zip

I no longer have access to a Leopard machine for development and testing anymore. Getting this program to work again on Leopard should not be too much of a problem. If you want to maintain a Leopard version then please get in contact with me.

Credits
Programming done by myself.
German translation provided by eXeler0n.

Known Issues:

Little Snitch:
Some people have reported that my program fails to download XML sheets when Little Snitch is in use. I don't know why this is. If you are running Little Snitch and have this issue, then please disable it and try again.

New players under 1.6 mil SP:
The program doesn't know about the 100% training speed boost for new players. Training times will be incorrect until you hit 1.6 million SP.

If you wish to contact me you can use these email addresses.

Bug reports: [email protected]
General email: [email protected]

Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2009.06.13 16:08:00 - [2]
 

You should post this in to the Mac forum too. It'll probably get a lot more traffic from Mac users there than it will here.

Fei Valentyne
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.06.14 09:33:00 - [3]
 

i really like the look of this
I'm sure you know there's already a couple of programs that are aiming along similar lines, but they both seem to have gotten about 70% of the way and then nothing's happened with them in the last couple of months

but i like the look of your interface - very straightforward and intuitive (although, it'd be nice to be able to double-click on a skill to add it to the queue as well as right-clicking to select the level)
and when creating characters - it'd be nice if the AccountID and API Key fields would accept text that was drag-n-drop'ed on them (i tend to go to the eveonline character api key page, double click on the api key to select it all in Safari and then drag the text - only thing to watch out for is that often i think Safari adds a new line character to the end of the text

anyway, it's a work in progress at the moment, but from what i've see so far, it looks promising.

Murien Ventris
Posted - 2009.06.14 17:29:00 - [4]
 

Great App !!!!
Can we have skill queue ?
thanks for the work ! Laughing

Dansel
Gallente
Telsa inc
Waterboard
Posted - 2009.06.15 08:25:00 - [5]
 

Looks very promising, however, if i open a category inside skill planning, i cannot close it, and thus not add any other skill from another category.

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.15 09:37:00 - [6]
 

Release Alpha-4 is out now, it consists of minor UI fixes. release notes are in the DMG for the curious.

Fei Valentyne:
Double clicking as well as drag and drop has been implemented to the skill planner. currently this will only add it to the next level. sooner or later I will change it so that it keeps adding the skill to the next level, but for now you will need to right click to train to any level. I will look in to adding drag and drop support for the account config screen.

Murien Ventris:
Do you mean you want to see what skill(s) is next in the training queue? I'll add that in the next few days once I have tidied up the skill planner some more.

Dansel:
I'm not sure what you mean, clicking on the triangle opens or closes a category, as well as the left and right arrow keys. besides, you can have many skill categories open at the same time.


Velin Shade
Posted - 2009.06.16 07:21:00 - [7]
 

This is exciting, Flammard. It's looking great!

Mizuki Yori
Caldari
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2009.06.16 16:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Fei Valentyne
i really like the look of this
I'm sure you know there's already a couple of programs that are aiming along similar lines, but they both seem to have gotten about 70% of the way and then nothing's happened with them in the last couple of months.


To put it bluntly, you haven't heard much from me because I haven't heard much from you guys. I made a post in my dev blog citing all the reasons in detail but suffice to say there's been a lack of encouragement. Even if you don't have the least bit of clue of Objective-C or UI design, any criticism and/or suggestion goes a long way in helping me make a more perfect app. I haven't stopped development of it but it is more or less on hold.

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.17 01:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Mizuki Yori
Originally by: Fei Valentyne
i really like the look of this
I'm sure you know there's already a couple of programs that are aiming along similar lines, but they both seem to have gotten about 70% of the way and then nothing's happened with them in the last couple of months.


To put it bluntly, you haven't heard much from me because I haven't heard much from you guys. I made a post in my dev blog citing all the reasons in detail but suffice to say there's been a lack of encouragement. Even if you don't have the least bit of clue of Objective-C or UI design, any criticism and/or suggestion goes a long way in helping me make a more perfect app. I haven't stopped development of it but it is more or less on hold.


I didn't even know about your app Mizuki, I had to search the forums just now to find it. I think this forum could benefit from a sticky post listing all the EVE api programs for the mac, given that trawling the forums seems to be the only way to find what apps exist.

Mizuki does rase a valid point though, a quick grep of my apache logs reveal about 60 downloads, and only 4 or so posts so far, it is kind of annoying. Are people downloading and using it for 5 minutes, deciding that it sucks and deleting it? or are they continuing to use it but not provide any feedback? A quick post with some feedback isn't much to ask, and if you use it on a regular basis then more feedback would be much appreciated.

Velin Shade
Posted - 2009.06.17 04:20:00 - [10]
 

Hey Flammard,

I've downloaded it, and I'm continuing to use it. I don't know EVEmon at all, so I can't compare it to that program, but the simple ability to stack skills and see how long the total training time is has been very helpful. Would it be possible to get a corresponding calendar date and time for when I can expect a set of skills to finish? Also, having a drop down menu to switch between "skill plan" and "character sheet" seems unnecessary when separate buttons would be a cleaner solution - unless there will be even more choices in the future.

Thanks for doing this, it's looking great!

emllik
Invictus Latrones
Posted - 2009.06.17 04:21:00 - [11]
 

I have a 10.4 OS and it's not working for me. Does this app not work with OS 10.4?

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.17 05:00:00 - [12]
 

emllik:
10.4 is not supported, 10.5 only. I'm using a number of 10.5 specific APIs. Does EVE even run on 10.4?

Velin Shade:
Yep, I can add calender dates for start and finish times to the skill planner (and a skill percentage complete column).
I agree that buttons in the toolbar would be better than a drop down list, I'll get around to that, I had drop down lists on the brain when I wrote that.

emllik
Invictus Latrones
Posted - 2009.06.17 05:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Flammard
emllik:
10.4 is not supported, 10.5 only. I'm using a number of 10.5 specific APIs. Does EVE even run on 10.4?

Velin Shade:
Yep, I can add calender dates for start and finish times to the skill planner (and a skill percentage complete column).
I agree that buttons in the toolbar would be better than a drop down list, I'll get around to that, I had drop down lists on the brain when I wrote that.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.06.17 05:59:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Flammard
emllik:
10.4 is not supported, 10.5 only. I'm using a number of 10.5 specific APIs. Does EVE even run on 10.4?



CCP Does not officially support EVE online for 10.4 systems.

It will run on 10.4 but you won't get any support for it.

dragon inabouti
Posted - 2009.06.17 14:48:00 - [15]
 

The link is broken.
Please fix it.

Laz

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.17 23:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: dragon inabouti
The link is broken.
Please fix it.

Laz


It should be working now, sorry 'bout that.

Kilabie
Earth Inc
Posted - 2009.06.18 05:35:00 - [17]
 

Just downloaded this app. It looks nice and I will probably start using it, instead of Evemon.

Some new features that Evemon have, would be:

- Load battleclinic loadouts ( http://evemon.battleclinic.com:8000/trac/changeset/1382 )
- Upload skills to ineve.net
- Skills in queue
- Let the application automatically look for new updates
- Add Icon to app.
- What clone do I have

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.18 10:00:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Flammard on 18/06/2009 10:01:33
Originally by: Kilabie
Just downloaded this app. It looks nice and I will probably start using it, instead of Evemon.

Some new features that Evemon have, would be:

- Load battleclinic loadouts ( http://evemon.battleclinic.com:8000/trac/changeset/1382 )
- Upload skills to ineve.net
- Skills in queue
- Let the application automatically look for new updates
- Add Icon to app.
- What clone do I have


Cheers for the feedback.

By the battleclinic loadout, do you mean something that will just view a ship fitting? I was looking at writing a fitting tool, but that is quite a big task so I'll leave that until I have the core of the app stabilised. there is a bit of work yet to do on the skill planner.

Auto updates is a good idea, given how often I push out new versions.
Skills in the queue shouldn't be too hard.
I'll add the clone thing in, that's simple enough.
I'll look at ineve.net and see what is involved.

As for the icon, I have approx zero graphic design talent. I think icons need to be 512 * 512 pixels. Is there anyone out there that could whip something up? It might help if I think of a name for the program first though.

Edit: my webserver might be a bit flakey for the next day or two, there shouldn't be too many interruptions though.

Kilabie
Earth Inc
Posted - 2009.06.18 10:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Flammard
Edited by: Flammard on 18/06/2009 10:01:33

By the battleclinic loadout, do you mean something that will just view a ship fitting? I was looking at writing a fitting tool, but that is quite a big task so I'll leave that until I have the core of the app stabilised. there is a bit of work yet to do on the skill planner.

Edit: my webserver might be a bit flakey for the next day or two, there shouldn't be too many interruptions though.


Yeah, in Evemon you can browse ships and then click on load battleclinic loadouts, then you get at list of submitted setups for that type of ship. Then you can click on a setup and see the fittings.

Enkama
Posted - 2009.06.18 11:21:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Enkama on 18/06/2009 11:25:15
hi,
for some reasons application keeps crashing at start
dont know if that helps, i run it on OSX 10.5.7, macbook 2,4ghz with 4 mo ram

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Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.18 11:21:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kilabie

Yeah, in Evemon you can browse ships and then click on load battleclinic loadouts, then you get at list of submitted setups for that type of ship. Then you can click on a setup and see the fittings.


Ah yep. I think I might need the CCP database export and all that to display ship modules. Something like that might be a while off yet.

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.18 11:41:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Flammard on 18/06/2009 12:16:34
Edited by: Flammard on 18/06/2009 11:41:03
Originally by: Enkama
hi,
for some reasons applications keeps crashing at start
dont know if that helps, i run it on OSX 10.5.7, macbook 2,4ghz with 4 mo ram

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Did the program crash before you entered your account information? (did it crash the first time you ran it). It sounds like it has gotten messed up on some bad data.

If you open up finder and navigate to:

home folder -> Library -> Application Support -> MacEveApi

Is there anything under that directory? if so it would be useful I could get the data off you. you might want to edit EveApiConfig.xml and remove your account ID and api key from that file.

After that, can you right click on the folder, compress and email the zip file to [email protected]

then delete the MacEveApi directory and try and start it again.

I'll have a look though the code and see if I can find anything might cause a crash on startup.

EDIT: I've got an idea of what might be happening, I'll try and get a new release with better error handling out soon.

Enkama
Posted - 2009.06.18 13:07:00 - [23]
 

hi again
this is how it crashes:
i first launch application
i fill user id+api on account page
application finds my account and ask me to select character. I do
then, right after closing account page application crashes
then application crashes at launch again and again
i deleted the application support file (i zipped it and sent it to you)
I restarded program, same things happens again. crash after closing account page and then repetitive crashes at launch
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Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.18 13:48:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Enkama
hi again
this is how it crashes:
i first launch application
i fill user id+api on account page
application finds my account and ask me to select character. I do
then, right after closing account page application crashes
then application crashes at launch again and again
i deleted the application support file (i zipped it and sent it to you)
I restarded program, same things happens again. crash after closing account page and then repetitive crashes at launch



That should be fixed now, grab the new version and let me know if it works.

Enkama
Posted - 2009.06.18 14:21:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Enkama on 18/06/2009 14:28:47
Edited by: Enkama on 18/06/2009 14:28:02
working! Wink
damn unbublished black market skill
when i think i choosed gallente Ji Mei for this skill.... gaaah..
thanks for the fix

Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.21 01:28:00 - [26]
 

I've released a new version. It adds support for the skill queue, adds some tooltips to the skill selector. A popup window that displays more information about a skill (double click to activate) and some general UI tweaks.

If there's a feature you want tweaked or added then let me know and I will look into it.

Velin Shade
Posted - 2009.06.21 07:44:00 - [27]
 

It's looking so nice, Flammard!

Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2009.06.21 09:24:00 - [28]
 

Looks good!

Spellings error: Prerequsites should be: prerequisites Razz

Ranar Brutorian
Posted - 2009.06.21 20:10:00 - [29]
 

When i try tu launch app this message appears:

"Failed to parse:
.../Library/Application Support/MacEveApi/SkillTree.xml.aspx
Program cannot start"



Flammard
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.21 23:25:00 - [30]
 

Velin Shade:
Thanks!

Maria Kalista:
Thanks for spotting that, i'll fix that in the next release.

Ranar Brutorian:
Usually that means the program couldn't download the Skill tree reference file from the EVE API site, it needs that file for the program to start. Does it work if you retry? It may have been a temporary error. This is the file it needs to download: http://api.eve-online.com/eve/SkillTree.xml.aspx


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