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Inat Mivea
Posted - 2009.06.10 15:41:00 - [1]
 

So I fitted a t1 frigate, atron, with rail guns, warp scrambler, a hobgoblin, and some extra armor.

I've got about 900k SP trained, mostly in trader Neutral

is there anything I can do in terms of pvp, piracy, etc. to have some fun at such a low level?

Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.06.10 15:58:00 - [2]
 

PvP will usually not be a money maker. First make sure you have an income stream. Missions work well for PvPers as they use some of the same skills (improving guns, ships, tanking over time).

After that you need to consider where you're going to PvP and deal with standings issues if you don't do it in null-sec.

Friends are good. Everyone loves to have a friend in a frig that can tackle, so you should be able to find some like minded people and have fun. Doing it solo is trickier and you should invest in a cloak, and consider covert ops or interdictors for a solo career.

Inat Mivea
Posted - 2009.06.10 16:06:00 - [3]
 

yep. that's what I thought; i need friends :)

I do OK money wise - my first day back, I did 12 missions and ended up with my 6 ships decently fitted, 2.6mill ISK, and some good experience.

can you make decent isk just doing slavage?

lacretia
Posted - 2009.06.10 16:11:00 - [4]
 

When I was doing missions I made more off the salvage then I did on the mission itself. Though, I didnt start salvaging in earnest until level 3 missions. I found it more time efficient to just grind out the level 1's in rapid fire.

If you have 2.6mil, you have plenty to fit yourself out a decent PvP frig, and start learning how to hold your own in pvp.

What normally happens is that people die, a LOT at first. You will get caught at camps, tackle ships you cant handle, get ****y and fight with odds against you, or just plain get out flown by the other guy. Then, over time, you start to pick fights better, learn your limits, and learn how to survive while getting kill mails.

Make friends, go shoot people, have fun.

Inat Mivea
Posted - 2009.06.10 16:21:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: lacretia
. . .tackle ships you cant handle. . .

see, this is what I am trying to figure out. How do you know what you can and cannot handle?

lacretia
Posted - 2009.06.10 16:39:00 - [6]
 

Sadly...you often learn of the ships you cant handle when you end up in a pod.

But, a more useful answer is this. When in a frig, try to fight other frigs. Especially at first. You may occassionally get lucky and find someone in a poorly fit cruiser and can pop them...but generally speaking, in a frig, fight frigs/destroyers.

The most important piece of advice you can take to heart about PvP is this. Always ask yourself after a fight "What did I do right?" or "What did I do wrong." The answer is normally something like "Well...it appears that I was going fast enough against him that his guns couldnt track me, or his missles werent hitting very hard." or "I was going just as fast as the last time but...oh, I see, he has assault missiles...thats why he nailed me."

If you always ask yourself what happened and then more importantly LEARN from it, then you will develop quickly. If youjust sit there and get mad and say "He cheated! that noob! I keel him!" then you have learned nothing, and he will kill you again.

The worst thing you can do in eve is get emotionally mad. You can be angry, you can be upset, you can plot revenge. But keep that anger more towards the devious deceitful side and less towards the suicidal side.


Enyaliuss
Posted - 2009.06.10 16:49:00 - [7]
 

You can do the easier level 1 missions until you have taken the 1-2 days to train Destroyers. The even harder missions in Cruisers then Battle Cruisers. You can do quite a bit after 2-3 weeks of passive training. No cheat codes for eve to get into god mode. It's probably the highest level difficulty MMO right now.

Cheers

Psiri
Posted - 2009.06.10 17:52:00 - [8]
 

With a tristan or incursus you can somewhat reliably take out

- industrials
- newbie mining barges
- mining cruisers
- interceptors if you're lucky and once you get a bit more SP
- other T1 frigates
- poorly fitted/piloted ratting cruisers

In some cases you can even take out battlecruisers and suchlike but it's usually then a misstake or poor fit on their part. Once you are in 500m orbit they'll have problems hitting you with their turrets and are left to drones and neuts to kill you.

Inat Mivea
Posted - 2009.06.10 17:53:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Enyaliuss
You can do the easier level 1 missions until you have taken the 1-2 days to train Destroyers. The even harder missions in Cruisers then Battle Cruisers. You can do quite a bit after 2-3 weeks of passive training. No cheat codes for eve to get into god mode. It's probably the highest level difficulty MMO right now.

Cheers


well, i think this is why so many 'old' MMO players gravitate to eve. We're tired of the milqtoast MMOs.

Ships are easy enough to come by, guess all I need to do is try - same as any other MMO

Tom Willson
Posted - 2009.06.10 20:05:00 - [10]
 

What can you do? What is it you cannot do? Ok quite a bit in some cases, but still!

An Incursus with some blasters, a hobgoblin and a nice little plate is going to eat a lot of targets. I've killed everything from Rifter's to Raven's in this little beauty (of course they were idiots, but hey, it's the thought that counts.)

But as far as that Atron goes I would say stick with blasters, use your size and speed to get under the enemies' guns and make yourself hard as hell to track. This will increase your damage, as well and trust me, with an Atron and some railguns you won't be breaking a lot of active tanks, not even bad ones (this year.)

Basically go for cruisers to battleships and even the occasional frigate and see if you can take them on. Naturally a BS will tank you quite easily in most cases but if you can pop it's drones and keep it there you might be able to wear it's cap out and slowly, but surely, take it down. A cruiser and BC could hit you if they are using projectiles and a web + hybrid turrets but if you use an afterburner you can still outrun their guns. Do notice that a Vexor or Arbitrator (droneships) will eat you alive in most cases. If it's a mining droneship, though, try your luck!

Basically whether you can or cannot fly a ship properly all boils down to how many suckers you blow to pieces every day, if you succeed in your current ship then hey, good for you. That's all that matters, tbh, if you succeed in your setup in the situations you come across, if nothing else an Atron is a cheap ship, you have all time in the world to experiment.

Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2009.06.11 08:18:00 - [11]
 

Atron can reach very high speeds but is somewhat fragile. Taking it up close to anything will result in a 2 second explosion and an amusing Killmail.
As already mentioned, Incursus and Tristan are very viable ships to Solo Pirate in, especially if you pick your targets.
I occasionally run an Incursus with Electron Blasters and a 200mm Plate, and it copes very well with most things that get thrown at it. Never flown the Tristan, so i can't really help you out there.

Inat Mivea
Posted - 2009.06.11 12:58:00 - [12]
 

i appreciate the feedback. I was a little passive last night, took the salvager out last night to play around and experimented using the directional scanner. Thought I would fiddle while I trained up in some skills.

Anyway, I like the frigates but it seems that a good cruiser will be my best bet. Just going to train up, earn some ISK, and get some experience. . .

Grista
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.06.11 18:01:00 - [13]
 

"2 points on the Moros" - words spoken by an EVE player with less than a week in game, and playing on a trial account. He tackled a Gallente Dreadnaught, a ship used in POS sieges worth over 1.5 Billion isk. The Moros was subsequently killed.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.06.12 01:53:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Cyprus Black on 12/06/2009 01:56:09
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 12/06/2009 01:54:01
Originally by: Inat Mivea
can you make decent isk just doing slavage?
Short answer: YES!

Some players salvage wrecks as their primary source of income. Ninja salvagers especially. With some decent probing skills, you can find other players in mid mission, then warp in and start salvaging their kills. It's mean, but there's nothing they can do about it Twisted Evil

Personally I like to roam around in 0.0 in a covert ops ship, discretely following neut roaming gangs. They almost never salvage their kills and there's always plenty of elite wrecks.

As a newbie, you're best way to find wrecks is to warp from asteroid belt to belt. Those wrecks usually aren't worth much which is why you should start looking into combat probes.

Inat Mivea
Posted - 2009.06.12 13:20:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 12/06/2009 01:56:09
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 12/06/2009 01:54:01
Originally by: Inat Mivea
can you make decent isk just doing slavage?
Short answer: YES!

Some players salvage wrecks as their primary source of income. Ninja salvagers especially. With some decent probing skills, you can find other players in mid mission, then warp in and start salvaging their kills. It's mean, but there's nothing they can do about it Twisted Evil

Personally I like to roam around in 0.0 in a covert ops ship, discretely following neut roaming gangs. They almost never salvage their kills and there's always plenty of elite wrecks.

As a newbie, you're best way to find wrecks is to warp from asteroid belt to belt. Those wrecks usually aren't worth much which is why you should start looking into combat probes.


I trained up to destroyer I, got a catalyst, and outfitted it with a couple salvagers and a couple railguns. I salvaged my own wrecks. One thing I learned, is that I need to get a microwarp drive ASAP. The afterburner is ok but it gets tedious going between wrecks.

So, as I get salvage, I check market prices and it all seems pretty low for what I am getting. Are there pieces of salvage out there that a 'rare' b/c otherwise, I'm not sure how one would make isk doing this.

Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
Posted - 2009.06.12 19:26:00 - [16]
 

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So, as I get salvage, I check market prices and it all seems pretty low for what I am getting. Are there pieces of salvage out there that a 'rare' b/c otherwise, I'm not sure how one would make isk doing this.


If you are salvaging to sell for profit, one of the most fun thing is that it is 95% junk with the odd gold nugget thrown in. It makes it all worthwhile when that one item comes up with lots of 000s on the end.


 

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