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Kaylan Jahlar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.09 20:59:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 09/06/2009 21:04:48

I'm a salvager and I'm personally not against the fact that you can salvage wrecks without any penalty even when they were not created by you.

However, seeing that there are a lot of players out there that do mind, I thought of this:

IN EMPIRE SPACE ONLY (0.1 to 1.0), make it so the wrecks someone creates get an ownership just like containers, but only while the player who created them is within the same space grid as the wreck.

That means that if the player warps somewhere else outside the grid where the wrecks are, that anyone else would be free to salvage the wrecks he left behind. However, should he come back a few minutes later and be in range again, the wrecks would become his again. If someone salvaged them while he was gone, nothing happens.

This will force someone who desires to salvage his own wrecks to do so as soon as the wrecks are created, or to quickly come back later (after turning in a mission for example). It would also allow salvage cleaners to still get a profit with all the wrecks other players dedice to abandon behind.

It would also allow piracy tactics in lowsec for the ones who like this kind of thing, where a pirate player could "scare off" a wreck owner so he can take his wrecks without being flagged, which would force wreck owners to bring escorts if they care about salvaging "safely".

Faith O'Siras
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:45:00 - [2]
 

No.

The salvaging mechanics are fine as-is.


Kaylan Jahlar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:49:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Faith O'Siras
No.

The salvaging mechanics are fine as-is.




If you read correctly, I said I personally had nothing against the current system. I am only suggesting this so that everybody is satisfied (both sides). I think it would be a good compromise for everyone.

Faith O'Siras
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:52:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Originally by: Faith O'Siras
No.

The salvaging mechanics are fine as-is.




If you read correctly, I said I personally had nothing against the current system. I am only suggesting this so that everybody is satisfied (both sides). I think it would be a good compromise for everyone.


No.

Kaylan Jahlar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:53:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 09/06/2009 21:53:38
Originally by: Faith O'Siras
No.


If you have no constructive comments to make, please don't reply at all. Just saying "no" is not constructive comments, and you already said you don't want this, so no need to repeat yourself.

Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
Posted - 2009.06.09 22:03:00 - [6]
 

They salvage whiners (the actual whiners are the salvagers) will never accept any change to salvaging without a hissyfit of some sort.

They have zero risk. They have next to zero effort. They make iskies.

Why on Earth would they agree to the salvaging mechanics working like the attack, loot, or tractor mechanics?

Seriously, at least pirates face some risk in pirating - even ore thieves do.

Salvagers define wussy.

Johli
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Deryk Blacke
They salvage whiners (the actual whiners are the mission runners) will never accept ninja salvaging without a hissyfit of some sort.

They have zero risk. They have next to zero effort (with guides). They make iskies.

Why on Earth would they agree to something that isn't absolute safety for their mission running?

Seriously, at least ninja salvagers face some risk in salvaging - even ore thieves do.

Mission runners define wussy.


u mad and fixed


Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:15:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Johli
Originally by: Deryk Blacke
They salvage whiners (the actual whiners are the mission runners) will never accept ninja salvaging without a hissyfit of some sort.

They have zero risk. They have next to zero effort (with guides). They make iskies.

Why on Earth would they agree to something that isn't absolute safety for their mission running?

Seriously, at least ninja salvagers face some risk in salvaging - even ore thieves do.

Mission runners define wussy.


u mad and fixed




Sad troll, want a cookie?

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:22:00 - [9]
 

no

quit whining about it for god knows how many times now

its working how it should if they cant accept that they got two options really

suck it up

whine some get ****ed and hopefully quit eve

Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:24:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gin G
no

quit whining about it for god knows how many times now

its working how it should if they cant accept that they got two options really

suck it up

whine some get ****ed and hopefully quit eve


Can you shoot that wreck?
Can you tractor that wreck?

Johli
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Deryk Blacke
Originally by: Johli
Originally by: Deryk Blacke
They salvage whiners (the actual whiners are the mission runners) will never accept ninja salvaging without a hissyfit of some sort.

They have zero risk. They have next to zero effort (with guides). They make iskies.

Why on Earth would they agree to something that isn't absolute safety for their mission running?

Seriously, at least ninja salvagers face some risk in salvaging - even ore thieves do.

Mission runners define wussy.


u mad and fixed




Sad troll, want a cookie?


is it oatmeal raisin?

Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:44:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Johli
is it oatmeal raisin?


My favorite cookie.

One of the best medals I have seen a corp offer its members is a Cookie, one of those "oh you think you did something special, here, have a cookie" medals...

Kel Nissa
Posted - 2009.06.09 23:58:00 - [13]
 

@OP: A good start would be to stop insulting them as whiner.

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.06.10 00:02:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Originally by: Faith O'Siras
No.

The salvaging mechanics are fine as-is.




If you read correctly, I said I personally had nothing against the current system. I am only suggesting this so that everybody is satisfied (both sides). I think it would be a good compromise for everyone.


if you read correctly, she isnt accusing you of having a problem with the current system, she is just saying its fine as it is.

and i agree with her.

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.06.10 00:24:00 - [15]
 

Ya know what I think will fix it? Let's make another thread!!!

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.06.10 00:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Originally by: Faith O'Siras
No.

The salvaging mechanics are fine as-is.




If you read correctly, I said I personally had nothing against the current system. I am only suggesting this so that everybody is satisfied (both sides). I think it would be a good compromise for everyone.


No.


looks like we have someone who lives on other people salvage who doesnt want to work for their iskie

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2009.06.10 00:54:00 - [17]
 

remove any ownership from wrecks for good kthxbai

Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
Posted - 2009.06.10 01:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
remove any ownership from wrecks for good kthxbai


Have the wreck and cargo drop separately...? Or do you want to loot the wrecks as well?

If they drop separately, then it would at least make sense - all actions would result in the same thing instead of how it is.

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.10 14:11:00 - [19]
 

There are already several threads in this forum regarding salvaging and adding more is simply unnecessary.

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