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SuperNova221
J5 Industries
Posted - 2009.06.09 07:44:00 - [61]
 

Get a Pest and shove it up a Titan's rear just as it explodes. Most usful BS EVER.

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2009.06.09 09:19:00 - [62]
 

itt same ppl spouting the same **** Rolling Eyes


yes, minmatar battleships are viable for PVP. are they the best? no. if you play to their select advantages you'll do ok.

as with anything in eve, you have to know what your doing. you'll still likely be outclassed in a paper 1v1 but there are 10,000 things that can change a battle outside of paper dps/optimal/blah blah blah

popular fits?

mael: ACs w/ active tank OR sniper
temp: ACs w/ neuts, buffer armor w/ toys in mids or buffer shield a/ max damage
phoon: drones, torps, neuts, guns, armor, pwn pwn pwn till dawn


there is always an underdog in eve, minnie are it right now. fly what you want, you can make it work. fotm chasing is for noobs


To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2009.06.09 09:37:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Electric Universe

Because when you see this at the link here, and then see how many kills he got from that fight, then you can see that he's doing PVP on TQ in a close range Tempest today.



this link is very good to show how bod are projectile in general expecially if you watch the damage done by the ships in every killmail.
im too lazy to do it but would be rather interesting to see the total numbers of the engagement.
probably as damage output a tempest is luck if is worth half of a geddon, tempest provide double RR but if you want to do the logistic role you better in a phoon.

Electric Universe
The Choir
Posted - 2009.06.09 11:57:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Electric Universe on 09/06/2009 12:02:04
Originally by: To mare
Originally by: Electric Universe

Because when you see this at the link here, and then see how many kills he got from that fight, then you can see that he's doing PVP on TQ in a close range Tempest today.



this link is very good to show how bod are projectile in general expecially if you watch the damage done by the ships in every killmail.
im too lazy to do it but would be rather interesting to see the total numbers of the engagement.
probably as damage output a tempest is luck if is worth half of a geddon, tempest provide double RR but if you want to do the logistic role you better in a phoon.

The thing is that the Tempest is fine, but Autocannons need a boost in something. So even when the Autocannons do need a boost it doesn't mean the Tempest with Autocannons is doing poorly today.

And also, a Tempest is much better for fleet fights / RR fights today in 0.0 space than a Typhoon is, simply because it's flexibility and when you know how much mixed the sizes of the ships are in gangs today. Then the Tempest are a better choice for me and NightmareX today.

There is a reason why you don't see many Typhoons in RR BS gangs in 0.0 space today.

The Typhoon is very good in BS gangs in low sec when your fighting some gangs there. That's something i agree on.

Ofc, if i'm after doing most DPS and have a pretty good omni tank, then i will go for the Blaster Mega.

To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:24:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Electric Universe
Edited by: Electric Universe on 09/06/2009 12:02:04
Originally by: To mare
Originally by: Electric Universe

Because when you see this at the link here, and then see how many kills he got from that fight, then you can see that he's doing PVP on TQ in a close range Tempest today.



this link is very good to show how bod are projectile in general expecially if you watch the damage done by the ships in every killmail.
im too lazy to do it but would be rather interesting to see the total numbers of the engagement.
probably as damage output a tempest is luck if is worth half of a geddon, tempest provide double RR but if you want to do the logistic role you better in a phoon.

The thing is that the Tempest is fine, but Autocannons need a boost in something. So even when the Autocannons do need a boost it doesn't mean the Tempest with Autocannons is doing poorly today.

And also, a Tempest is much better for fleet fights / RR fights today in 0.0 space than a Typhoon is, simply because it's flexibility and when you know how much mixed the sizes of the ships are in gangs today. Then the Tempest are a better choice for me and NightmareX today.

There is a reason why you don't see many Typhoons in RR BS gangs in 0.0 space today.

The Typhoon is very good in BS gangs in low sec when your fighting some gangs there. That's something i agree on.

Ofc, if i'm after doing most DPS and have a pretty good omni tank, then i will go for the Blaster Mega.


ok well im agree with you that the tempest is fine and only AC/arty need a boost.

i also use tempest in RR but only because i have weak missile skills and because it look cool

fac3hunter
Posted - 2009.06.09 13:36:00 - [66]
 

rofl use a phoon for RR, even if you got ****y missiles skills, i got 87k in missiles and 5.6 mil in gun, still i do more dps with torps than ACs.

the reason pest is being consideret the worst bs is simple becasue people cant play it, they want a amarr ship they can just hit thier modules and most of the times they win, a corretly played and fitted pest will take any turret bs out in a 1on1 even t2 BS. they might be able to deagress and dock/jump but if the pest is played right you should not be able to die to any turret BS.


Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.06.09 13:47:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: fac3hunter
rofl use a phoon for RR, even if you got ****y missiles skills, i got 87k in missiles and 5.6 mil in gun, still i do more dps with torps than ACs.

the reason pest is being consideret the worst bs is simple becasue people cant play it, they want a amarr ship they can just hit thier modules and most of the times they win, a corretly played and fitted pest will take any turret bs out in a 1on1 even t2 BS. they might be able to deagress and dock/jump but if the pest is played right you should not be able to die to any turret BS.




Except that's 1v1 and lbh, who cares? Razz

NateX
Followers of Yrck
Posted - 2009.06.09 14:01:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Traderboz
Originally by: fac3hunter
rofl use a phoon for RR, even if you got ****y missiles skills, i got 87k in missiles and 5.6 mil in gun, still i do more dps with torps than ACs.

the reason pest is being consideret the worst bs is simple becasue people cant play it, they want a amarr ship they can just hit thier modules and most of the times they win, a corretly played and fitted pest will take any turret bs out in a 1on1 even t2 BS. they might be able to deagress and dock/jump but if the pest is played right you should not be able to die to any turret BS.




Except that's 1v1 and lbh, who cares? Razz



okok so it isnt about 1v1, what then?

Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.06.09 14:04:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: NateX
Originally by: Traderboz
Originally by: fac3hunter
rofl use a phoon for RR, even if you got ****y missiles skills, i got 87k in missiles and 5.6 mil in gun, still i do more dps with torps than ACs.

the reason pest is being consideret the worst bs is simple becasue people cant play it, they want a amarr ship they can just hit thier modules and most of the times they win, a corretly played and fitted pest will take any turret bs out in a 1on1 even t2 BS. they might be able to deagress and dock/jump but if the pest is played right you should not be able to die to any turret BS.




Except that's 1v1 and lbh, who cares? Razz



okok so it isnt about 1v1, what then?


How about practical situations/gangs you encounter on Tranq? 1v1 BS fights are 99.5% prearranged and/or on SiSi, so saying a ship is awesome for 1v1 is sort of silly.

It's much more useful to look at how a ship performs in small gang fights, RR gangs, sniper gangs, etc., since those are the situations you're going to realistically be flying the ship in.

Psiri
Posted - 2009.06.09 14:18:00 - [70]
 

Minnie BS's are OK, it's just that Amarr BS are better.

The 'Phoon is a nice gang ship and the Tempest performs better than most other BS in 1 vs 'small gang' situations (HAC's, Cruiser's, BC's and AF's) due to its utility highs and mids.

Only real problem I have with Minnie BS is that large lasers are simply so much better, along with arties s'posedly being crap.

NateX
Followers of Yrck
Posted - 2009.06.09 14:24:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Traderboz
Originally by: NateX
Originally by: Traderboz
Originally by: fac3hunter
rofl use a phoon for RR, even if you got ****y missiles skills, i got 87k in missiles and 5.6 mil in gun, still i do more dps with torps than ACs.

the reason pest is being consideret the worst bs is simple becasue people cant play it, they want a amarr ship they can just hit thier modules and most of the times they win, a corretly played and fitted pest will take any turret bs out in a 1on1 even t2 BS. they might be able to deagress and dock/jump but if the pest is played right you should not be able to die to any turret BS.




Except that's 1v1 and lbh, who cares? Razz



okok so it isnt about 1v1, what then?


How about practical situations/gangs you encounter on Tranq? 1v1 BS fights are 99.5% prearranged and/or on SiSi, so saying a ship is awesome for 1v1 is sort of silly.

It's much more useful to look at how a ship performs in small gang fights, RR gangs, sniper gangs, etc., since those are the situations you're going to realistically be flying the ship in.


Mostly people are complaining about EFT stats IE how the ship will perform in 1v1.

For me the tempest really shines in gang situations, where the 2 misc hi slots and extra medium slot can be used for RR/ECW or simulare

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.06.09 15:10:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: NateX
Mostly people are complaining about EFT stats IE how the ship will perform in 1v1.


EFT Stat: Ship does 2 DPS and has no ewar to speak of. Conclusion: The ship is useless solo and in gang.
EFT Stat: Ship does 300 DPS at 20km, and has 90K EHP. It has tackle and minor ewar that is largely not useful. There is another ship that does 1200 DPS at 20km and has 112K EHP. It has tackle and half the minor ewar. Conclusion: The second ship is better in gang, and quite possibly better solo.

"EFT stats" really have nothing to do with "solo" or "gang" PVP. In fact, I'd argue that the stats that are directly accessible in EFT are even better at determining gang performance than solo - because as Teh Blob!!!!one!eleven!!1 gets bigger, all that does matter is DPS vs EHP, your FC, and your ability to follow orders.

Quote:
For me the tempest really shines in gang situations, where the 2 misc hi slots and extra medium slot can be used for RR/ECW or simulare


The "utility" of a Minnie BS is really meh in gang, tbh. Unless you're completely removing people from the fight (you aren't) or the target is staying on its feet long enough for your neuts to have a real effect... its a waste of time and slot. More DPS would get the job done better, and quite possibly with fewer casualties of your own.

That is not to discount the effect of mass minor ewar, don't get me wrong. But it would have to be mass minor ewar (compared to the gang size) to have noticeable effects as gang sizes go up. Sadly, that's generally not really practical.

-Liang

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2009.06.09 16:29:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: AstroPhobic


Okay, to re-iterate, your new points are:

- 2 Heavy neuts
- Learn2fly your ship

Most excellent.


Lacking multispec tbh

Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.06.09 17:43:00 - [74]
 

I choose not to argue since all your *****ing about the pest can potentially improve it. :)

No they don't have the DPS nor the tank that other races do. Personally, I'm fine with that. I've pulled wins that I wouldn't have in another racial BS. That being said, the Tempest & Phoon *are* great ships that require some imagination.

So please, continue *****ing and I'll X up on your petitions for my own selfish motives. Wink

Electric Universe
The Choir
Posted - 2009.06.09 20:24:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: AstroPhobic


Okay, to re-iterate, your new points are:

- 2 Heavy neuts
- Learn2fly your ship

Most excellent.


Lacking multispec tbh

ECCM all the way before ECM in RR gangs tbfhWink.

But in very small PVP gangs, then ECM can come handy sometimes though.

Beverly Sparks
Posted - 2009.06.10 12:02:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Sol'Kanar

No they don't have the DPS nor the tank that other races do. Personally, I'm fine with that. I've pulled wins that I wouldn't have in another racial BS. That being said, the Tempest & Phoon *are* great ships that require some imagination.


They are great assuming you don't compare them to other BS's. So I guess that makes it like a super duty BC. Sort of like the Honda Truck (can't remember the name), great vehicle, but not really a truck.

Karl Luckner
Caldari
Posted - 2009.06.13 00:42:00 - [77]
 

You guys are aware that the Tempest is on it's way to compete for the best sniper ?
Extreme longrange snipers are on the way out, thanks to the new scanning system.
High alpha + RR becomes more and more popular. That means either Apoc with 7 tachs or Tempest.
Will take some time for people to change habits, but I believe that is the future.

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2009.06.13 00:48:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Karl Luckner
You guys are aware that the Tempest is on it's way to compete for the best sniper ?
Extreme longrange snipers are on the way out, thanks to the new scanning system.
High alpha + RR becomes more and more popular. That means either Apoc with 7 tachs or Tempest.
Will take some time for people to change habits, but I believe that is the future.


One doesn't have to take long searching your previous posts to laugh for a solid hour.

Let this thread die it's deserved death. Your posturing about the changing of fleet mechanics is laughable, and the thought of projectiles doing more damage at ANY range is funny just by itself.


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