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SavageBastard
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 20:58:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Centuri
Originally by: The Mittani
Edited by: The Mittani on 02/06/2009 17:50:27

this is a pretty good post, you should probably keep it saved to a file for ease of reference

several weeks ago i linked a nc kb battle report (on the gf.com version of dis thread, where killmail links happen) with the 6 primary coalition alliances vs 19 (nineteen!) hostile gkc alliances

at this point "you are a napfest" is becoming the new "freed from the shackles of pos warfare" as the spin du jour~

edit: if we had 19 alliances on our side i'd be happy about it too, because it'd be a sign that we're good at diplomacy, nothing to be ashamed of (unless you're an e-honor type)


Actually it's a pretty bad post, especially from a CSM candidate. If you want to quote numbers even just between Goonswarm and KenZoku, Goonswarm has 116 versus Kenzoku's 15 corps. Was there any need for Goonswarm to start napping people in the first place.

See what I did there? Wink



To be fair we should only count pilots with names that begin with A or Z since they are the ones that get shot at the most and take the real brunt of any actual fighting.

Goberth Ludwig
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.02 21:05:00 - [92]
 

Tbh I have a question for Kenzoku and in part AAA which I never got answer for yet. Maybe if I post here I will have more luck.


Where are your guerilla gangs? I have never seen you attempt any sort of actions while outnumbered, be it in hacs, bombers, whatever. Sometimes you try drivebyes at 200km but I think by now everybody knows the new probes make those obsolete.

Once we take control of a system, that is it. Not even a bunch of cloakers trying to catch afkers/ people out of shields, nothing. Did your alliance simply chose to completely disregard that aspect of the game? Do you consider it irrelevant to the sov war anyways, or to morale in general?



- Gob

Elektrea
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.02 21:24:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Elektrea on 02/06/2009 21:24:10
oops

Qlanth
Caldari
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 21:52:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Qlanth on 02/06/2009 21:52:47
Edited by: Qlanth on 02/06/2009 21:52:25
Originally by: Sertan Deras
Originally by: Serj Darek
Originally by: Moctobot
Originally by: Serj Darek
Long Term Outlook: Fights will continue until we get D/Q Country back or the servers are shutdown.


Serj


you get that we have 110 sov3 or higher systems in d/q alone and you have yet to break one right?

in 3 months of trying you have yet to break one


Sanity check on the active systems we have right now that you held Sov3 in....

Station System:

49-

Non-station System:

1-SMEB
4-2UXV
ZAU-JW
C-7SBM


Apparently you don't Dotlan much? :)


Serj


To be fair, 49- is the only one of those you guys will hold for very long. The rest we've been pretty easily destroying your undefended towers. So, yah, props on you, you took some sov3 station systems you can't hold, and a sov3 station system that we were too tired to defend. Since then you've done...nothing. I wonder how you justify H74 and I1Y in your delusional world?


You can't give them credit for "breaking a Sov 3" because by the time 49- hit Sov 3 we had already lost tower superiority. We had Sov 3 for literally two days while it takes seven to claim Sov.

So we can give them credit for taking 49- it was only Sov 2 when they did it.

-QlAnTh-

Serj Darek
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:00:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Qlanth

So we can give them credit for taking 49- it was only Sov 2 when they did it.
-QlAnTh-


You can spin it how you wish. I was correcting the misinformation above with something other than opinion, namely the Sov record database on a public resource. :)

Fly naked,


Serj

Shayleigh Snowflower
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:00:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Tbh I have a question for Kenzoku and in part AAA which I never got answer for yet. Maybe if I post here I will have more luck.


Where are your guerilla gangs? I have never seen you attempt any sort of actions while outnumbered, be it in hacs, bombers, whatever. Sometimes you try drivebyes at 200km but I think by now everybody knows the new probes make those obsolete.

Once we take control of a system, that is it. Not even a bunch of cloakers trying to catch afkers/ people out of shields, nothing. Did your alliance simply chose to completely disregard that aspect of the game? Do you consider it irrelevant to the sov war anyways, or to morale in general?



- Gob



Gob..
Xetic had this teory that if you just do not engage an enemy they will go away.

I think they are waiting for PL to get out of Delve.



O Thief
Amarr
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:31:00 - [97]
 

it really amuses me that people compare an alliance list like

Goonswarm
PL
MM
RZR
TCF

(all top 10 alliances by numbers in their own right)

and then say 'but we were fighting 19 GKC tiny alliances, so they are the blobbers'

its utter, utter lunacy



Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:37:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

If you wanted to be an actual threat you would do the intelligent thing, skulking off into the night to rebuild somewhere far away from us then coming back when you're better prepared.


Pride. Kenzoku/BoB's sin is pride.

For good or ill pride is why they can't leave Delve alone. It's the one thing holding them together right now, but it is also their biggest failing. Pride is why they can't take the most sensible line of action and find some other space to build up in. It's why they can't treat their allies as equals, why they keep pulling out the napfest argument when they themselves are only a small part of a powerbloc. It's why they have the attitude they do and why they got where they are today...

They would hold their heads high and tie the noose around their own neck, all while filled with pride, when others who have the self-awareness and introspection to actually fix their faults would see it's time to make a change.

Call it a strength or weakness but that is why they act the way they do.

Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:40:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: O Thief
and then say 'but we were fighting 19 GKC tiny alliances, so they are the blobbers'

Maybe If Kenny hadn't poached, neglected and thoroughly undermined all of their tenant alliances at every available opportunity over the last 3 years they would be be a more formidable force when they needed their support, rather than the tiny weakened shell alliances they are now?

Reap the whirlwind.

Wasp O'Ryan
Gallente
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:42:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Serj Darek

Sanity check on the active systems we have right now that you held Sov3 in....

Station System:

49-

Non-station System:

1-SMEB
4-2UXV
ZAU-JW
C-7SBM


Apparently you don't Dotlan much? :)


Serj


Sanity check on the active systems Goons have right now that you held sov3+ in

Station Systems:
5-6QW7
7UTB-F
Q-02UL
Y5C-YD
M-XR2
NOL-M9
QX-LIJ
T-M0FA
C6Y-ZF
5BTK-M
8WA-Z6
MO-GZ5
Y-OMTZ
C3N-3S
39P-1J
8RQJ-2
PS-94K
0-HDC8
F-TE1T
J-LPX7
PUIG-F
QY6-RK
SVM-3K
9CG6-H
Z-UZZN
ED-L9T
I1Y-IU
U-HYZN
H74-B0

Non-Station Systems: ~118, I hit the character limit so I can't paste them all.

Apparently you don't eve-online much? ;)

VS

SavageBastard
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:44:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: SavageBastard on 02/06/2009 22:50:35
Originally by: Wasp O'Ryan
Originally by: Serj Darek

Sanity check on the active systems we have right now that you held Sov3 in....

Station System:

49-

Non-station System:

1-SMEB
4-2UXV
ZAU-JW
C-7SBM


Apparently you don't Dotlan much? :)


Serj


Sanity check on the active systems Goons have right now that you held sov3+ in

Station Systems:
5-6QW7
7UTB-F
Q-02UL
Y5C-YD
M-XR2
NOL-M9
QX-LIJ
T-M0FA
C6Y-ZF
5BTK-M
8WA-Z6
MO-GZ5
Y-OMTZ
C3N-3S
39P-1J
8RQJ-2
PS-94K
0-HDC8
F-TE1T
J-LPX7
PUIG-F
QY6-RK
SVM-3K
9CG6-H
Z-UZZN
ED-L9T
I1Y-IU
U-HYZN
H74-B0

Non-Station Systems: ~118, I hit the character limit so I can't paste them all.

Apparently you don't eve-online much? ;)

VS


Did we ever hold sov in 1-smeb? We left most of those northern systems totally untowered. We still don't have sov in most of them. Kenny spammed 1-Smeb when they were still camped into PR-. Cute try at showing progress though.

Serj Darek
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:47:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Serj Darek on 02/06/2009 22:47:45


Originally by: Wasp O'Ryan

Apparently you don't eve-online much? ;)
VS


At least you posted something factual. I wish more people would learn the difference between fabrication and fact. :)


Fly jaded,


Serj

Serj Darek
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:49:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Serj Darek on 02/06/2009 22:50:32


Originally by: SavageBastard
Cute try at trying to show progress though.


1-SMEB ?


2009-05-06 today KenZoku 3
2009-04-22 2009-05-05 KenZoku 2
2009-04-08 2009-04-21 KenZoku 1
2009-04-06 2009-04-07 GoonSwarm 3
2009-03-23 2009-04-05 GoonSwarm 2
2009-03-09 2009-03-22 GoonSwarm 1

EdFromHumanResources
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:53:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 02/06/2009 22:52:44
Originally by: Serj Darek
Edited by: Serj Darek on 02/06/2009 22:50:32


Originally by: SavageBastard
Cute try at trying to show progress though.


1-SMEB ?


2009-05-06 today KenZoku 3
2009-04-22 2009-05-05 KenZoku 2
2009-04-08 2009-04-21 KenZoku 1
2009-04-06 2009-04-07 GoonSwarm 3
2009-03-23 2009-04-05 GoonSwarm 2
2009-03-09 2009-03-22 GoonSwarm 1


So Kenzoku is braggina bout holding sov in 5 systems now? You've fallen that far?

Dark 0men
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:53:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Serj Darek

Long Term Outlook: Fights will continue until we get D/Q Country back or the servers are shutdown.


I see you are doing your part from Jita.

Loki L'Odin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:54:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Wasp O'Ryan
Originally by: Serj Darek



Sanity check on the active systems Goons have right now that you held sov3+ in

Station Systems:
5-6QW7
7UTB-F
Q-02UL
Y5C-YD
M-XR2
NOL-M9
QX-LIJ
T-M0FA
C6Y-ZF
5BTK-M
8WA-Z6
MO-GZ5
Y-OMTZ
C3N-3S
39P-1J
8RQJ-2
PS-94K
0-HDC8
F-TE1T
J-LPX7
PUIG-F
QY6-RK
SVM-3K
9CG6-H
Z-UZZN
ED-L9T
I1Y-IU
U-HYZN
H74-B0

Non-Station Systems: ~118, I hit the character limit so I can't paste them all.

Apparently you don't eve-online much? ;)

VS


Yup well done guys, we all remember the epic amount of battles/logistics to take those Sov 3/4 systems from them...hold on that was the right-click drop alliance thing, crap sorry thinking of something else.

Hyrieus
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:54:00 - [107]
 

Don't worry Serj, at this point we'll still be fighting over 49- in a years time. Yay pos wars!

Fly jaded,

A big ass goku

Hyrieus
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:55:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Loki L'Odin
Yup well done guys, we all remember the epic amount of battles/logistics to take those Sov 3/4 systems from them...hold on that was the right-click drop alliance thing, crap sorry thinking of something else.


It was more of a shoot pos till it goes into reinforce then blow up pos but I wouldn't expect privateer's to understand pos/sov mechanics so I'll forgive you.

Goberth Ludwig
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:10:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 02/06/2009 22:52:44
Originally by: Serj Darek
Edited by: Serj Darek on 02/06/2009 22:50:32


Originally by: SavageBastard
Cute try at trying to show progress though.


1-SMEB ?


2009-05-06 today KenZoku 3
2009-04-22 2009-05-05 KenZoku 2
2009-04-08 2009-04-21 KenZoku 1
2009-04-06 2009-04-07 GoonSwarm 3
2009-03-23 2009-04-05 GoonSwarm 2
2009-03-09 2009-03-22 GoonSwarm 1


So Kenzoku is braggina bout holding sov in 5 systems now? You've fallen that far?


I remember when ascn fought bob. We managed to get sov in some irrelevant non station system and started bragging about it. Full circle I guess.

- Gob

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:29:00 - [110]
 

Spamming. Post removed. Zymurgist

DeBleu14
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:39:00 - [111]
 

I still can't understand how people are still rallying behind a tinpot leader with a Napoleon complex who managed to lose 4 titans in a row

you know, the same guy who stated "I MAKE THE RULES" and thinks he still has the ability to SILENCE the opposition with some :words:

FYI you guys can still hate goons and blow us up at every opportunity but you can also do it under a more rational leadership, just saying

Devian 666
Gallente
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:46:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Serj Darek
Edited by: Serj Darek on 02/06/2009 22:47:45


Originally by: Wasp O'Ryan

Apparently you don't eve-online much? ;)
VS


At least you posted something factual. I wish more people would learn the difference between fabrication and fact. :)


Fly jaded,


Serj


I nominate Serj Darek for CEO of Kenny. Do I have a second?

IANAL
Caldari
Merch Industrial
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:51:00 - [113]
 

My friend, you have my second.
Despite certain issues I take with his posting, I believe his opinions and ability to post facts that contribute to a discourse amongst serious, like-minded individuals posting on internet CAOD would prove to be a boon to Kengoku.

Sincerely Yours,
Lovers of Serj,
In Serj I trust,
and fondly wishing I was flying naked inside him,
I remain,
IANAL

Khornne
Caldari
BRUTAL GENESIS
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:54:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 02/06/2009 22:52:44
Originally by: Serj Darek
Edited by: Serj Darek on 02/06/2009 22:50:32


Originally by: SavageBastard
Cute try at trying to show progress though.


1-SMEB ?


2009-05-06 today KenZoku 3
2009-04-22 2009-05-05 KenZoku 2
2009-04-08 2009-04-21 KenZoku 1
2009-04-06 2009-04-07 GoonSwarm 3
2009-03-23 2009-04-05 GoonSwarm 2
2009-03-09 2009-03-22 GoonSwarm 1


So Kenzoku is braggina bout holding sov in 5 systems now? You've fallen that far?


Bwahaha, funny to see these things posted.

GS Guy: "You have no systems"
KZK Guy: Proofs opposite.
GS Guy: "Ah well that one... Yeah we didn't want that anyway and never had sov. in there!!!"
KZK Guy: Proofs opposite again.
GS Guy: "Awww **** now be proud of that few systems *utter stupid spam".

Priceless! Very Happy

Will Hunter
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:56:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Will Hunter on 02/06/2009 23:56:04
Originally by: Loki L'Odin

Yup well done guys, we all remember the epic amount of battles/logistics to take those Sov 3/4 systems from them...hold on that was the right-click drop alliance thing, crap sorry thinking of something else.


yes we clicked a button and a 500 towers, a titan, a crapload of caps, some baby supercaps and bob dignity instanlty disapeared from the server.

IANAL
Caldari
Merch Industrial
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.06.02 23:57:00 - [116]
 

ahhh, EXE, how have you all been doing, I haven't heard any battle reports regarding your amazing corporations lately. Please share them with us, along with systems you maintain sov in.

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.06.03 00:12:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: IANAL
ahhh, EXE, how have you all been doing, I haven't heard any battle reports regarding your amazing corporations lately. Please share them with us, along with systems you maintain sov in.


Your post in no way proofs him wrong. We never even had sov in there.

Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.03 00:15:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: IANAL
ahhh, EXE, how have you all been doing, I haven't heard any battle reports regarding your amazing corporations lately. Please share them with us, along with systems you maintain sov in.


They are doing about as well as the real life 'Executive Outcomes' PMC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandline_affair
Quote:
On the night of March 16, 1997, the revolt began. By the time the night was over, the entire band of Sandline mercenaries [who where members of Executive Outcomes] had been disarmed and arrested.

Khornne
Caldari
BRUTAL GENESIS
Posted - 2009.06.03 00:24:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Desiderata Fabian
Originally by: IANAL
ahhh, EXE, how have you all been doing, I haven't heard any battle reports regarding your amazing corporations lately. Please share them with us, along with systems you maintain sov in.


They are doing about as well as the real life 'Executive Outcomes' PMC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandline_affair
Quote:
On the night of March 16, 1997, the revolt began. By the time the night was over, the entire band of Sandline mercenaries [who where members of Executive Outcomes] had been disarmed and arrested.



Yeah we are just helpless against your battle Orcas... Oh wait... Very Happy

Cheekything
Gallente
Black Lance
Posted - 2009.06.03 00:26:00 - [120]
 

Would it hurt to put up both BS/Cap kills/losses and the same with towers somewhere in these reports...?

Because I do enjoy my stats and figures.

Ta Cheek


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