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Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:04:00 - [1]
 

I'd like to know if the stars you see in each solar system in EVE really corresponds to all the real EVE suns as they are scattered through the galaxy? Does anyone know anything about this?

It would seem like this isn't the case as you have roughly as many stars in all directions in normal view, and the EVE galaxy is flat when looking at the map, so there really shouldn't be that many stars upwards and downwards.

If it's not "correct", wouldn't it be cool to have each star position really connected to a real EVE solar system? Wink

SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:10:00 - [2]
 

you could see the rest of the EVE universe from any system at one time, was pretty cool. No idea what happened to it.

Flaming Candle
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:25:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: SirSpectre
you could see the rest of the EVE universe from any system at one time, was pretty cool. No idea what happened to it.
I believe the stars were removed because they caused a huge performance hit; or was that just the single extra star in each system?

Lonzo Kincaid
Black Bands
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Flaming Candle
Originally by: SirSpectre
you could see the rest of the EVE universe from any system at one time, was pretty cool. No idea what happened to it.
I believe the stars were removed because they caused a huge performance hit; or was that just the single extra star in each system?


all i know is it made space look nice and disappeared randomly one day and never came back. I didn't read all the patch notes at the time though so it might have been mentioned.

Pnandor
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Pnandor on 01/06/2009 22:46:51
Originally by: Daedalus II
I'd like to know if the stars you see in each solar system in EVE really corresponds to all the real EVE suns as they are scattered through the galaxy? Does anyone know anything about this?

It would seem like this isn't the case as you have roughly as many stars in all directions in normal view, and the EVE galaxy is flat when looking at the map, so there really shouldn't be that many stars upwards and downwards.

If it's not "correct", wouldn't it be cool to have each star position really connected to a real EVE solar system? Wink


Omg are you using the flat settings?

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:51:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Pnandor

Omg are you using the flat settings?

Even in 3D-mode you see that the EVE galaxy is more or less flat (as are most real world galaxies)

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.01 23:02:00 - [7]
 

Don't forget that the vast majority of solar systems are not represented on the map - they may never have had jump bridges to them, the jump bridges to them may be locked (by CONCORD or the Jove) or they may be off limits to capsuleers.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.06.01 23:04:00 - [8]
 

Daedalus - When the new star map was put into place, yes the stars in the background did correspond real solar systems in eve.

HellSpeed
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.06.02 00:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Daedalus - When the new star map was put into place, yes the stars in the background did correspond real solar systems in eve.

That's sort of amazing.
It doesn't compare to Infinity TQFE though.

Jack Airron
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.06.02 02:01:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Daedalus - When the new star map was put into place, yes the stars in the background did correspond real solar systems in eve.



did or do? i have to admit i have been wondering the same thing i know at one time they did there was even a system where the sky was almost white from all the stars (it was in RONA's recruitment video)

Cilvius Sanctus
Gallente
The Order of Chivalry
Nex Eternus
Posted - 2009.06.02 02:23:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid
Originally by: Flaming Candle
Originally by: SirSpectre
you could see the rest of the EVE universe from any system at one time, was pretty cool. No idea what happened to it.
I believe the stars were removed because they caused a huge performance hit; or was that just the single extra star in each system?


all i know is it made space look nice and disappeared randomly one day and never came back. I didn't read all the patch notes at the time though so it might have been mentioned.


It was. I don't remember the exact reason they gave for it vanishing though. I think it just mentioned something about the mysterious star disappearing from the sky. Kind of lame in my opinion, as that star really did spice things up a bit.

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2009.06.02 09:08:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Daedalus - When the new star map was put into place, yes the stars in the background did correspond real solar systems in eve.

Are we talking "new" as in 2005 or new as in 2009? I've only been playing a year and a half Wink

You say "did correspond" so they don't any longer? is there any even newer star map that removed that again?

As far as I can see currently the stars in the background don't correspond to real EVE solar systems as there are equally many in all directions, especially upwards and downwards where one would expect very few stars otherwise. Possibly it could be like Doctor Penguin states that there are unconnected stars that we can see. But in that case, why bother mapping some of them into real EVE systems? Easier to just spawn them randomly.

Techincally some stars should be brighter as they are closer too, but now each one seem equally bright.

Navtiqes
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.06.02 09:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Daedalus II
Techincally some stars should be brighter as they are closer too, but now each one seem equally bright.
Yea, but then we wouldn't be able to visually identify moons without using the scanner.

As it is right now, you can see nearby moons as brighter white blobs than the background stars.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2009.06.02 09:28:00 - [14]
 

WowLaughing

Gieron
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.02 10:30:00 - [15]
 

The visitable stars in eve aren't necessarily all stars in the eve galaxy. In fact it's probably not even close. But exactly how the eve galaxy looks, or what type of galaxy it is, or how our systems are located in it have never been revealed AFAIK.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.06.02 10:42:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Chribba
WowLaughing


ShockedYou lost?


Just kidding, just kidding.......Wink

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.02 11:02:00 - [17]
 

hey hey

every now and again . .when im afk .. i come back to see my mouse idling randomly in space and its got a description of a solar system a few jumps away as a small popup description.

for some reason i cant self generate it but next random afk i'll try and get a screenie. anyone else notice this ?

Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC

Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2009.06.02 11:31:00 - [18]
 

Galaxy ?

Eve 'cluster' is barely 100 light years across .... Not much of a galaxy, more like a polite 'ahem' of stars .... :)

Y Berion
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:05:00 - [19]
 

I could swear that some year ago, after turning solar system map on, you were able to see real stars in EVE cluster relative to your position. I remember dots were unevenly distributed, with some parts of the background heavily populated and some other completely empty.

Navtiqes
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:07:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Y Berion
I could swear that some year ago, after turning solar system map on, you were able to see real stars in EVE cluster relative to your position. I remember dots were unevenly distributed, with some parts of the background heavily populated and some other completely empty.
Yeah, I'll second that. I only trialed for 7days back in 2003, but this sounds extremely familar.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:07:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/06/2009 12:08:09
once upon a time they where, but removed shortly after the transitional map was introduced.

On the other hand they are introducing a new nebula system that will actually make you feel like your going from point a to b between systems. They may slap the stars back into it if they do.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:18:00 - [22]
 

Anyone else remember the glowy big star?

Quagnar
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:18:00 - [23]
 

The backgrounds of the Eve universe are getting kind of old. Would it be possible to use backgrounds based on actual hubble images and not have nebulas in every background? Also would it would be nice to see the galaxy in the background, depending on the location of the system you are in. For example, above the galactic plain, you would see part of the galaxy from that perspective, or below the galactic plain, edge on views, and so on. I know this is trivial to alot pf people, but detail and realism is important to me, and the change would be nice as well. Just a thought, thanks!

Y Berion
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Anyone else remember the glowy big star?


Yeah at the end they told it was only a graphical glitch or something. And I hoped they'll come up with some cool story hehe.

Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:40:00 - [25]
 

/me calls for me weed....

Nareg Maxence
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Daedalus II
I'd like to know if the stars you see in each solar system in EVE really corresponds to all the real EVE suns as they are scattered through the galaxy? Does anyone know anything about this?


No. The skybox is just a pretty picture. The features you see, like the starts and nebula, doesn't relate to your position in the world in a realistic maner.

There was talk about making the background dynamic, based on your position in EVE, but a dev said it's not likely to happen (any time soon).

Ivy Scorn
Amarr
Nethro Ore Conglomerate
Posted - 2009.06.02 13:27:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: HellSpeed
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Daedalus - When the new star map was put into place, yes the stars in the background did correspond real solar systems in eve.

That's sort of amazing.
It doesn't compare to Infinity TQFE though.


He said "did". Very Happy
It's definitely not the case anymore as could be observed a couple of days ago when we had the annoying jump-bug in eve. When it happened you were stuck in one place and the stars kept changing every few seconds or so while the client continuously reinitialized the solar system.
Likewise, the star background during character creation also changes between screens (or at least used to change. not sure if it's still the case with the new npe char creation).

"Real" stars would be pretty cool. I can's see how it would impact performance as the star positions would only have to be calculated once when you jump into a new system. That should take any computer capable of running eve significantly less than a microsecond, so I seriously doubt it was removed for performance reasons.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2009.06.02 13:48:00 - [28]
 

To be honest I'd rather they fixed the many bugs and problems than add a dynamic background.

Ivy Scorn
Amarr
Nethro Ore Conglomerate
Posted - 2009.06.02 15:55:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Super Whopper
To be honest I'd rather they fixed the many bugs and problems than add a dynamic background.


I'd say that's rather narrowminded. Sure, bugfixes are good (and needed), but games live from mysteries and little features that you discover as you play. The more the better.
If you do nothing but bugfixes the game won't evolve and eventually people will lose interest. That's no problem for single player games or even most multiplayer games since the devs are already working on the next title or sequel. But I sure as hell hope that's not your idea how Eve should be developed.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.06.02 16:51:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Daedalus II
Originally by: Pnandor

Omg are you using the flat settings?

Even in 3D-mode you see that the EVE galaxy is more or less flat (as are most real world galaxies)


and like in real world galaxies you can still see the stars in every direction.

The issue is the old star cluster should come back.

along with that, when will we get the epic space background system? the one where you can see where in eve you are based on the background the devs were talking about?

seriously, that dev said it MIGHT come out 2 months ago but they needed more time.

They better not sracp that for boring backgrounds with better ez like in w-space.


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