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BEAR GRYLLZZZ
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:22:00 - [61]
 

hmmmmmmm so if I move into your region I get to defend your space against an overwhelming horde while being mocked on your internal forums, all for no charge?

and if I want to use basic services like docking and ratting, I only have to pay a small monthly fee?

SIGN ME UP

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:25:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Zyxphoni
Being a "pet" isn't just about paying someone (even though your post admits to various entities paying fees in a very muddled manner). It's also about a mentality. We don't 'expect' or 'dictate' anything to our allies. If ZAF wanted to spend their day in empire, so be it. We're not going to take their space, tell them how to use their space or anything else. You on the other hand do what you are told or you get the hell out. If that means fighting then that means fighting; if it means paying rent then it means paying rent. We treat our allies as if they were equals. Kenny treats you like you are Blade alliance.

Proxay > So, in summary
Proxay > I have been allied with bob for 3 years, Blade for 2
Proxay > We've never paid for rent/access whatever
Proxay > We're not forced to participate on ops
Proxay > We're not expected to contribute any item or anything
Proxay > We're independent, and only have to follow a lose set of courtesy rules

In those 3 years, bob has asked ONCE for us to participate, and that was during their fighting against PL, and that was for a period of 2 weeks.

Those are logs from #Scrapheap IRC.

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:26:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Kadoe
Allow me to re-clarify;

If you aren't there to shoot anything, and expect to be defended if attacked, yet wont defend anyone else, or yourself, you pay. If you are a pvp entity (Blade., EXE, SCA, X13, etc etc) you do not pay a thing, ever. I am struggling to think of an entity that had to pay, but that isn't my business so I will just settle with "I don't know of any that had to pay".

As said in point 1) We never paid for any access.


Since you have three years of experience with the GBC, you were around when they were renting large swaths of the east (and Fountain) to alliances like RISE and GONAD that were actually fighting on that front. You know RISE, they've reformed as Skunk Works after exorbitant rent and halfhearted support from BoB destroyed their last alliance. In any event, they were as PvP-oriented as any of the other alliances you listed.

All you've done in this thread is attempt to extrapolate your "we've never paid rent" anecdote into the demonstrably false proclamation that "Ken has never ever charged their (contributing) allies rent."

While you've attached the caveat that "I don't know of any that had to pay," you could have more accurately phrased as "I don't know what I'm talking about." I realize you feel some need to defend your past three years spent tucking your ears into your rear but if you do it with blatantly, demonstrably false generalities you might as well just save your breath.

SFShootme
Caldari
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:35:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 01/06/2009 19:08:29
Originally by: Kadoe
"follow this standings list" nothing more.
2) Band of Brothers / KenZoku have never asked for anything ridiculous, or in any way been rude ....


Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing...


In said forums, didn't they call you scum? And completely worthless?

Wasn't that, like, rude?


Didn't you emoquit because this game started to ~seriously affect your real life~?

Soggybottom
Gallente
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:46:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Proxay

In those 3 years, bob has asked ONCE for us to participate, and that was during their fighting against PL, and that was for a period of 2 weeks.

Those are logs from #Scrapheap IRC.



Ah yes that 2 week period where you and the rest of the pets did a terrible job trying to accomplish something.

Then the Bob forums were leaked and bobbits were deriding all of you for being terrible and worthless, forbidding you to use caps, and stating that if the Delve residents didn't start pulling their weight they'd be reset.

Yep key allies the lot of you.

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:48:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Soggybottom
Originally by: Proxay

In those 3 years, bob has asked ONCE for us to participate, and that was during their fighting against PL, and that was for a period of 2 weeks.

Those are logs from #Scrapheap IRC.



Ah yes that 2 week period where you and the rest of the pets did a terrible job trying to accomplish something.

Then the Bob forums were leaked and bobbits were deriding all of you for being terrible and worthless, forbidding you to use caps, and stating that if the Delve residents didn't start pulling their weight they'd be reset.

Yep key allies the lot of you.


Not going to deny any of that, I don't recall being told to stop using caps though, but yeah, that was the two weeks (*Out of 3 years) I mentioned before.

nn.

Heathkit
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:50:00 - [67]
 

I would like to extend the offer to Blade. (why periods in alliance names? Exclamation points would be so much cooler) and any other members of the GBC to come live in Delve. If you want docking and ratting rights, you'll simply need to pay me a moderate one-time fee. I guarantee plenty of ~good fights~, and if you're lucky Sam Handwich might even DD your 5 man HAC gang!

Katsura Kotonoha
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:56:00 - [68]
 

Space for sale!
So far we've sold:

Esoteria
Constellations:
3WN-1T - Digital Fury Corp - 6bn pcm
7ZRW-G
8T-OLH
9D1V-O
AJG-MV
E-ILCH
FY6-NK
JSZ-X6 - Miners with Attitude - 6bn pcm
O-PQU0
Q-2BI6
R2-BT6

Systems:
QS- - Executive Outcomes - Gratis

Complex:
D-FVI7 - Razorback Inc - 3b pwk (rising to 3.2 in mid-Feb)

Fethyabolis
Constellations:
1ANT-J
3-PC31 - Pending ownership by CorM, effective 1st Feb 2007.
3-U491
42-WDG - GIT-R-DUN - 6bn pcm (tbc - 1st Feb)
AV-SCL - TARDZ - 6bn pcm - 3.1b in feb, then back to 6b (part payment for jan).
C45-9Y
I-3ODK
JQA8-6
L-H07K
OFQ-HG
RHG-4O - RISE - 7.5 - 8bn pcm (tbc)
YZKE-Q - Intrepid Crossing - 6bn pcm

Systems:
K-9 - Confederation of the Red Moon - 3bn pcm
3-YX2D - The Legion of Steel Warriors - colonisation deal, 3b pcm.


Complex:
GHZ-SJ - R I S E - 3.5bn pwk, paid to Eol Galathil

Paragon Soul
Constellations:
17K-QM
GEP-XF
I-CCEI
IZ-FBT
TCC-ZV
D9DM-O Quasar Inc - 6bn pcm

Systems:
GQ2S-8 - Dark Rising - Gratis

Complex:
ZDYA-G - Exile Strike Team - 3.2bn pwk

Period Basis
Constellations:
6KFH-X - Dark & Light - 5bn pcm (up to 6bn pcm next month)
J8-G8K - Mercenary Coalition - One erebus per year for Dians' ship replacement

Querious
XLL-27 - Gunboat Diplomacy - 6bn pcm

Any I've missed?

Zyxphoni
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:07:00 - [69]
 

Quick Update: We blueballed Kenny and their new Atlas and Tri buddies at an R64 coming out of reinforced. They cried like little girls. Later, when they tried to take down one of our jammers we completely destroyed them and they are currently logging out after crying.

GF

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:28:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: adriaans


My corp is primarily a pvp corp, however also quite a bit into exploration for funding pvp ships.

I personally lived in 0.0 before creating ankaa (when IAC fell, my other char was part of -A-), a few of those i got to know there joined ankaa later, so some of us already got 0.0 experience, i'm also experienced within small scale roaming FC'ing, 25% of my corp is very close to capital ships, so it's not like my corp can't offer anything of combat value (we are rather effective in skirmish warfare and harrassing hostiles). it just seems 0.0 alliances refuse to recruit corps unless you got 100+ members...which is rather hard to get when staying in low sec since no one wants to be there...:/
So we are combat oriented, we have combat experience, we have skillpoints, we work together, but we don't have numbers, what (if anything) can make someone look past our low membership? (which would be waaay easier to increase if part of a 0.0 alliance)

penifSMASH: ''I appreciate the sincerity of this post. Convo me in-game if you're looking to join your corp into an alliance.''

if that's the usual goon recruitment scam, don't bother, if it isn't, well i guess i can get surprised.


i'm not averse to writing on this topic, though it's not really an area of expertise for me; we had a great amount of success with greating gia alt corps and using them as infiltrators, but i'm afraid the general readership will simply see the article as a rehash of the "how to get your alliance into 0.0" piece i did a month or so ago

some alliance accept low membership corps but honestly you're not likely to get far without expanding your corp, and that would probably require setting up the infrastructure for expansion - concrete programs to entice your members and keep them in pvp ships, like a reimbursement program - you need an income source though first before you can do this

also it's a bad time for alliance recruiting since the great war is white hot; when the war is less 'on fire' alliances will be less spy-paranoid and more willing to recruit

Elbon Ekaj
Minmatar
Stellar Convertors
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:31:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15
^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan

Originally by: Elbon Ekaj

a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


ok mister mittani i was didnt thought that you will call the north the next 2 years long every week to save you, because i remember a imperian post, he wrote
"if a alliance cant protect alone their own space, they didn't deserve it" what do you think about that mister mittani? it's from one of your closest allies.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:34:00 - [72]
 

also wow blade is hypersensitive itt

i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~

SFShootme
Caldari
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:41:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani
also wow blade is hypersensitive itt

i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~


Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.

AdAlpha
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:47:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: AdAlpha on 01/06/2009 20:59:35

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.06.01 21:31:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: SFShootme
how the system currently implemented works


Mad props for not charging rent when you have no space to rent.

Truly you are benevolent overlords.

Dramaticus
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 21:39:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Kadoe

Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty,[i] or PvP at all


no you were expected to sit around like helpless tools while you were grinded off the sov map and to be fair they got what they paid for in that regard

Weaselior
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 21:49:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: SFShootme

Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.


yes, now the person who pays rent is you

(to aaa)

SavageBastard
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:03:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: SavageBastard on 01/06/2009 22:05:23
Originally by: Kadoe
Edited by: Kadoe on 01/06/2009 19:05:15

Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Originally by: Kadoe
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Yeah folks if you were PvP powerhouses like Blade. you would simply realize that paying people money to be somewhere isn't paying rent at all.


Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.

thelung187 can confirm that, he had a spy within Aegis Evolution for a short period of time, there was no alliance fees/taxes on any member.


Never stop posting bro

"We never called it rent as there was no entrance fee. We just exchanged money for temporary access to someone elses assets, some may call that rent, i just call them crazy"


You seem pretty stupid bro, "Never paid anything" means "Never paid anything".




I think the part that may be confusing people is where you said that you paid something.



Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
Originally by: The Mittani
Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15
^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan

Originally by: Elbon Ekaj

a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


ok mister mittani i was didnt thought that you will call the north the next 2 years long every week to save you, because i remember a imperian post, he wrote
"if a alliance cant protect alone their own space, they didn't deserve it" what do you think about that mister mittani? it's from one of your closest allies.



I think it's pretty awesome considering that Imperian has been leading Euro TZ ops to buttes and glory for weeks and is probably the most enthusiastic NC member when it comes to being in the south smearing -A-nimu blood all over the sov map. You can try to smack it up all you want but it's hard to argue with what is actually happening, isn't it?

BEAR GRYLLZZZ
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:08:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: SFShootme
Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.


yeah sorry but I'm going to trust an article on ten ton hammer more than I'm going to trust some random kengoku scrub

maybe if you guys were noteworthy enough to get a weekly column I'd listen to you?

BEAR GRYLLZZZ
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:09:00 - [80]
 

nah probably not

Heathkit
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:18:00 - [81]
 

omg its BEAR GRYLLZZZ go eat a bug

SavageBastard
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:20:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: SavageBastard on 01/06/2009 22:21:00

BTW Skunk-Works how is that failure cascade coming along? Noticed you lost another member corp today. Don't worry I'm sure the scrubs jumping into A2- gates unscouted still know you're their daddy.

Elbon Ekaj
Minmatar
Stellar Convertors
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:25:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Elbon Ekaj on 01/06/2009 22:27:54
Edited by: Elbon Ekaj on 01/06/2009 22:26:01
Originally by: SavageBastard
Edited by: SavageBastard on 01/06/2009 22:05:23

Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
Originally by: The Mittani
Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15
^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan

Originally by: Elbon Ekaj

a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


ok mister mittani i was didnt thought that you will call the north the next 2 years long every week to save you, because i remember a imperian post, he wrote
"if a alliance cant protect alone their own space, they didn't deserve it" what do you think about that mister mittani? it's from one of your closest allies.



I think it's pretty awesome considering that Imperian has been leading Euro TZ ops to buttes and glory for weeks and is probably the most enthusiastic NC member when it comes to being in the south smearing -A-nimu blood all over the sov map. You can try to smack it up all you want but it's hard to argue with what is actually happening, isn't it?


why dont you ansewr my question? Imperian is saying on caod "only people that are able to proctect their own space alone are deserves it" our beloved leader Mittani is saying they are only able to hold delve and querios with the help of others.

So tell me what's your opinion? in relation to Imperian you guys don't deserve your space, do yu think Imperian have right at this point?

Tukra
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:36:00 - [84]
 

Elbon Ekaj
Jake Noble



Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:36:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: SFShootme
Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani
also wow blade is hypersensitive itt

i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~


Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.


Well tbh it was hard for you to use your old system of renting space when you no longer have spare space to rent.

ZeGermans
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:37:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: SFShootme
Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani
also wow blade is hypersensitive itt

i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~


Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.


So I guess RISE changed the policy when they all joined bob along with all the other riffraff former renters?

ZeGermans
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:37:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Tukra
Elbon Ekaj
Jake Noble





holy ****

Devian 666
Gallente
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:40:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: SFShootme
Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani
also wow blade is hypersensitive itt

i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~


Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.


Have you ever noticed how every Kenny post is vague and non-specific? It appears that Kenny members either do not know the renting system works or they are too embarrassed to state the details.

If you wish to refute the GKC as sharecropping organisation you need to publish details of how renting actually works.

Also, you really should get back to farming level 4s so you can take back Delve in the next 5 months.

Veto Nalloc
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:52:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Veto Nalloc on 01/06/2009 22:52:37
This topic is probably going get locked long before the 25 page is hit, which is a shame really. Im finding the battle reports more and more interesting.

I know I posted an off topic question that hasnt been answered (on page 1), and being completely honest, I kind of expected that. Who wants to answer a genuine question off an inferior "pet"...

Hopefully while the thread is in its early stages CCP mods/admins will clean the posts of this trolling so that the battle reports dont need yet another new topic.

Obviously im GBC loyal, but atleast the "enemy" is posting battle reports which I for one appreciate... Neutral

Moctobot
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:54:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Veto Nalloc
Obviously im GBC loyal...


why


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