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Kadoe
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.01 17:48:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Kadoe on 01/06/2009 18:58:43

Originally by: The Mittani


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


Right Mr. Spy Master.

Speaking as Executor of Blade. alliance, I'd like to clear this up.

1) We have never paid rent or being asked to. If we have a rent, it's "follow this standings list" nothing more.
2) Band of Brothers / KenZoku have never asked for anything ridiculous, or in any way been rude and have never given us reason to be suspicious, or paranoid of something along the lines of backstabbing. (3 Years personal experience allied with them)

Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty, or PvP at all, they were pure industrialists using the areas to get themselves rich, they were paying to access to Plexes, Exploration, Moon Mining, Stations, Ratting, Mining and whatever else tickled their fancy. Anyone who shoots people not on the standings list gets everything mentioned above without a charge. So, no, there is no rent.

Surprised you don't know this 'Spymaster'.

Edited for clarification

Soggybottom
Gallente
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.01 17:56:00 - [32]
 

:cripes:

To the above poster.

Will Hunter
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:06:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kadoe

Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty, they were paying to access to Plexes, Exploration, Moon Mining, Stations, Ratting, Mining and whatever else tickled their fancy.

Surprised you don't know this 'Spymaster'.


''we have to help them for free, but we have to pay to use their resources''

Zyxphoni
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:09:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kadoe

Right Mr. Spy Master.

Speaking as Executor of Blade. alliance, I'd like to clear this up.

1) We have never paid rent or being asked to. If we have a rent, it's "follow this standings list" nothing more.
2) Band of Brothers / KenZoku have never asked for anything ridiculous, or in any way been rude and have never given us reason to be suspicious, or paranoid of something along the lines of backstabbing. (3 Years personal experience allied with them)

Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty, they were paying to access to Plexes, Exploration, Moon Mining, Stations, Ratting, Mining and whatever else tickled their fancy.

Surprised you don't know this 'Spymaster'.


This has to be saved forever.

CARY
Caldari
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:09:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: O Thief
well, sov 4 makes crap all difference in systems with 100% moon coverage anyway, but don't tell goons that Wink


Have any of you understood yet that GOONS are not going anywhere, we are embedded into Delve and Querious and contra to popular belief Kenny will not be residents in these regions ever again.

Keep watching the map and sovs over the next few months, this could get intertaining.

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:17:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Will Hunter
Originally by: adriaans

Originally by: The Mittani

Originally by: 5/30
Oh, and I have no idea what to write my column on this week, someone give me ideas plx :((




A few ideas:
-How a small corp should go on about getting involved in 0.0 (like my corp, i tend to get laughed at by alliance recruters merely because i only got 24 members...ugh)
-Logistics
-Strenghts and weaknesses of all the different regions, benefits of them and the negative sides (0.0 regions only ofc).
-was something more, but i forgotEmbarassed



I have never ever lived in empire or a small corp either, but i think the firts thing it would be that you guys recruited and your corp became pvp oriented so you could have some credentials before trying to join a stablished o.o corp

If you are thinking about becoming a 0.0 aliance thats a very diferent animal and im sure is much harderugh


i *think* this copy/pasting is gonna be messed up..but meh..


My corp is primarily a pvp corp, however also quite a bit into exploration for funding pvp ships.
I personally lived in 0.0 before creating ankaa (when IAC fell, my other char was part of -A-), a few of those i got to know there joined ankaa later, so some of us already got 0.0 experience, i'm also experienced within small scale roaming FC'ing, 25% of my corp is very close to capital ships, so it's not like my corp can't offer anything of combat value (we are rather effective in skirmish warfare and harrassing hostiles). it just seems 0.0 alliances refuse to recruit corps unless you got 100+ members...which is rather hard to get when staying in low sec since no one wants to be there...:/
So we are combat oriented, we have combat experience, we have skillpoints, we work together, but we don't have numbers, what (if anything) can make someone look past our low membership? (which would be waaay easier to increase if part of a 0.0 alliance)

penifSMASH: ''I appreciate the sincerity of this post. Convo me in-game if you're looking to join your corp into an alliance.''

if that's the usual goon recruitment scam, don't bother, if it isn't, well i guess i can get surprised.

Sworn Absent
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:23:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Sworn Absent on 01/06/2009 18:23:33
hey try/atlas


you suck

Ackaroth
Gallente
Plundering Penguins
Anarchy.
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:24:00 - [38]
 

Random question -- and one that may have been addressed in a previous post, but can we see an old screenshot of one of your "pos.jpg"? I'm just kinda curious what it looks like is all. Doesn't have to be anything recent, I realize that info may be a bit privy (or maybe not, spiez in the swarm or whatnot).

BiaXia
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:24:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kadoe
Originally by: The Mittani


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


Right Mr. Spy Master.

Speaking as Executor of Blade. alliance, I'd like to clear this up.

1) We have never paid rent or being asked to. If we have a rent, it's "follow this standings list" nothing more.
2) Band of Brothers / KenZoku have never asked for anything ridiculous, or in any way been rude and have never given us reason to be suspicious, or paranoid of something along the lines of backstabbing. (3 Years personal experience allied with them)

Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty, they were paying to access to Plexes, Exploration, Moon Mining, Stations, Ratting, Mining and whatever else tickled their fancy.

Surprised you don't know this 'Spymaster'.


Holy ****, this is almost as good as that AAA renter who has more honor than us because he bought his space instead of stealing it like us.

Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:26:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: O Thief

well, until TRI look funny at your dyspro again at least Wink


TRI don't need any type of moon to look funny. (hrhr)

Sworn Absent
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:29:00 - [41]
 

welcome to the south tri i hope it goes as well as your last excursion

Korodan
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:30:00 - [42]
 

Mittens? A drone fanatic?

My heart, she is broken. ;.;

Besomyka
Caldari
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:45:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Ackaroth
Random question -- and one that may have been addressed in a previous post, but can we see an old screenshot of one of your "pos.jpg"? I'm just kinda curious what it looks like is all. Doesn't have to be anything recent, I realize that info may be a bit privy (or maybe not, spiez in the swarm or whatnot).


It's pretty boring, tbqh. Just a color-coded spreadsheet telling us which POS to save and which to shoot. Note that this is different than hostile/friendly, since we Goons routinely shoot our own just because it amuses us.

My God, we really ARE horrible at this game.

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:48:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Kadoe
Originally by: The Mittani


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


Right Mr. Spy Master.

Speaking as Executor of Blade. alliance, I'd like to clear this up.

1) We have never paid rent or being asked to. If we have a rent, it's "follow this standings list" nothing more.

...

Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty, they were paying to access to Plexes, Exploration, Moon Mining, Stations, Ratting, Mining and whatever else tickled their fancy.


I don't pay rent for my apartment, I just give money to the landlord so I can sleep here and use the plumbing.

Kadoe
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:54:00 - [45]
 

Allow me to re-clarify;

If you aren't there to shoot anything, and expect to be defended if attacked, yet wont defend anyone else, or yourself, you pay. If you are a pvp entity (Blade., EXE, SCA, X13, etc etc) you do not pay a thing, ever. I am struggling to think of an entity that had to pay, but that isn't my business so I will just settle with "I don't know of any that had to pay".

As said in point 1) We never paid for any access.

thelung187
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:58:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Kadoe
If you are a pvp entity (Blade., EXE


That's right about where I stopped reading.

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:00:00 - [47]
 

Yeah folks if you were PvP powerhouses like Blade. you would simply realize that paying people money to be somewhere isn't paying rent at all.

Cippalippus Hypocriticus
Caldari
NoobFleet
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:00:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15
^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan

Originally by: Elbon Ekaj

a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?


we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone

diplomacy is part of the game son~


No PL does that for you.Sup MM?

Will Hunter
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:01:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kadoe
Allow me to re-clarify;

If you aren't there to shoot anything, and expect to be defended if attacked, yet wont defend anyone else, or yourself, you pay. If you are a pvp entity (Blade., EXE, SCA, X13, etc etc) you do not pay a thing, ever. I am struggling to think of an entity that had to pay, but that isn't my business so I will just settle with "I don't know of any that had to pay".

As said in point 1) We never paid for any access.


never stop posting


Kadoe
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:01:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Yeah folks if you were PvP powerhouses like Blade. you would simply realize that paying people money to be somewhere isn't paying rent at all.


Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.

thelung187 can confirm that, he had a spy within Aegis Evolution for a short period of time, there was no alliance fees/taxes on any member.

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:03:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Kadoe
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Yeah folks if you were PvP powerhouses like Blade. you would simply realize that paying people money to be somewhere isn't paying rent at all.


Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.

thelung187 can confirm that, he had a spy within Aegis Evolution for a short period of time, there was no alliance fees/taxes on any member.


Never stop posting bro

"We never called it rent as there was no entrance fee. We just exchanged money for temporary access to someone elses assets, some may call that rent, i just call them crazy"

Kadoe
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:05:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Kadoe on 01/06/2009 19:05:15
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Originally by: Kadoe
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Yeah folks if you were PvP powerhouses like Blade. you would simply realize that paying people money to be somewhere isn't paying rent at all.


Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.

thelung187 can confirm that, he had a spy within Aegis Evolution for a short period of time, there was no alliance fees/taxes on any member.


Never stop posting bro

"We never called it rent as there was no entrance fee. We just exchanged money for temporary access to someone elses assets, some may call that rent, i just call them crazy"


You seem pretty stupid bro, "Never paid anything" means "Never paid anything".

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:06:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Kadoe

You seem pretty stupid bro, "Never paid anything" means "Never paid anything".


Quote:
Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty, they were paying to access to Plexes, Exploration, Moon Mining, Stations, Ratting, Mining and whatever else tickled their fancy.



I can see your alliance makes about as much sense as it is relevant in any facet of Eve (not at all)

Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:07:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 01/06/2009 19:08:29
Originally by: Kadoe
"follow this standings list" nothing more.
2) Band of Brothers / KenZoku have never asked for anything ridiculous, or in any way been rude ....


Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing...


In said forums, didn't they call you scum? And completely worthless?

Wasn't that, like, rude?

Heathkit
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:07:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Heathkit on 01/06/2009 19:07:15
Quote:
Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.


I was going to make fun of you, but so many people beat me to it and did a better job.

Instead, I'll try to clarify things. When we talk about "rent" we don't mean the right to be in a certain part of space and gank jerks. We mean the right to rat, mine, run plexes, etc. ie, the stuff that generates income.

So, to restate, the funny part of the post was that you claimed "pets" didn't have to pay rent, they just had to pay fees to make money in that space. The irony comes from the fact that this is what we mean when we say "rent".

I hope in the future you will realize what an idiot you've been, and think a little more carefully before posting.

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:14:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Heathkit
Edited by: Heathkit on 01/06/2009 19:07:15
Quote:
Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.


I was going to make fun of you, but so many people beat me to it and did a better job.

Instead, I'll try to clarify things. When we talk about "rent" we don't mean the right to be in a certain part of space and gank jerks. We mean the right to rat, mine, run plexes, etc. ie, the stuff that generates income.

So, to restate, the funny part of the post was that you claimed "pets" didn't have to pay rent, they just had to pay fees to make money in that space. The irony comes from the fact that this is what we mean when we say "rent".

I hope in the future you will realize what an idiot you've been, and think a little more carefully before posting.

k dude.

Nova Satar
Minmatar
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:16:00 - [57]
 

Mittani perfectly strkes the weatherman wrecking for big numbers

Zyxphoni
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:19:00 - [58]
 

Being a "pet" isn't just about paying someone (even though your post admits to various entities paying fees in a very muddled manner). It's also about a mentality. We don't 'expect' or 'dictate' anything to our allies. If ZAF wanted to spend their day in empire, so be it. We're not going to take their space, tell them how to use their space or anything else. You on the other hand do what you are told or you get the hell out. If that means fighting then that means fighting; if it means paying rent then it means paying rent. We treat our allies as if they were equals. Kenny treats you like you are Blade alliance.

Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:19:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: O Thief
enjoy your life sentence

well, until TRI look funny at your dyspro again at least Wink


Considering the timing, this is a pretty hilarious post.

(I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Triumvirate to Kenny's ever-expanding list of blues. Enjoy your stay in the South guys, I'm sure Molle can find plenty more of his towers for you to babysit over the next few months)

Yonker
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.06.01 19:20:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Yonker on 01/06/2009 19:22:17
Originally by: Ackaroth
Random question -- and one that may have been addressed in a previous post, but can we see an old screenshot of one of your "pos.jpg"? I'm just kinda curious what it looks like is all. Doesn't have to be anything recent, I realize that info may be a bit privy (or maybe not, spiez in the swarm or whatnot).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H9dQfVN3Ns

starting @ 0:51...but watch the whole video. That there grape cage contained the majority of BoB's cap and support fleet for an entire month.

It basically says This tower comes out in this many hours and then lists what that translates into real people time.


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