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Hy Jack
Posted - 2009.05.30 11:20:00 - [1]
 

Hello,

my point of view is angel cartel npc ships useing shield tank, to defend themselfs from player attacks.
But, if you can get one of them, you will see those ships made for armor tanking.
Im a member of minmatar republic, learned how to use my nations ships.
All of minmatar ships are different, some of them using armor tanking, some using shield tanking. If i wanna fly a faction ship even a republic fleet one,even an angel cartel one, all of them is made for armor tanking.

Please rebuild those ships for shield tank, take some low fitting slot and give them more medium slots.

Cheers,
Hy Jack

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.05.30 12:55:00 - [2]
 

You seem to have forgotten one key ingredient in your whine-sauce - the Gallente.

See, Angel cartel faction ships are mostly crosses between Minmatar and Gallente technology. And I don't know if you've noticed, but most Gallente ships armor tank.

This is working as intended, no reason to change.


Hy Jack
Posted - 2009.05.30 13:33:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Hy Jack on 30/05/2009 13:43:57
Alright, and what about serpentis ships?
those need matar and gallente too...and those ships are armor tankin too.
im stil think, angel cartel ships dont be needed to be armor tank ships.

My problem is, there is none shield tanked minmatar faction ship.
i think, angel ships should be.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.30 14:30:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Hy Jack
Edited by: Hy Jack on 30/05/2009 13:43:57
Alright, and what about serpentis ships?
those need matar and gallente too...and those ships are armor tankin too.
im stil think, angel cartel ships dont be needed to be armor tank ships.

My problem is, there is none shield tanked minmatar faction ship.
i think, angel ships should be.



re-read de's post before you start flapping your gums.



Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.05.30 16:52:00 - [5]
 

"I wish the Nightmare armor-tanked, because it should because it should. Because they don't, I'm going to complain about."

Seriously, did you actually look at the fact that they are a combination of races? No you didn't.

No support.

--Isaac

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.06.01 17:18:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 01/06/2009 19:33:22
So your basic complaint is there are no shield tanked Minmatar faction ships?

So you're whining because the race you chose to start with doesn't have the ships you'd like to fly.

There is a simple solution, my good man.

Cross-train.

That aside, I haven't had a single Minmatar faction ship that I have had to armor tank (emphasis on the had to). I have a shield tanked Dramiel (ok, shield + speed) that takes on level 2 missions including multiple cruisers with relatively little trouble.

I have a shield tanked Rep Fleet Scythe - mostly for the lulz, cause it's got severely low DPS, but it will run level 2's at least as effectively as the Dramiel (just slower).

I am also in the prcoess of skilling for a Machariel, which I will also shield tank (once I can get T2 shield equipment on it).

So there do, in fact, exist Minmatar faction ships that you can shield tank effectively.

Hy Jack
Posted - 2009.06.02 11:11:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 01/06/2009 19:33:22
So your basic complaint is there are no shield tanked Minmatar faction ships?

So you're whining because the race you chose to start with doesn't have the ships you'd like to fly.



IM NOT WHINING!
I tell you something with absulte no attack against you.

Im started play 3,5year ago. Ican fly minmatar and gallente ships till BS and all t2 frigs, Cruisers.I learned speed tank, becouse thats the matar power! i belive that, it's working great.Learned both armor and shield tank. I can use all needed tech2 moduls.
But, the most important, im not doing lv2 agents, im not doing boooooring agent mission anymore. just simply told, there is none! factions ship, that gives projectile/missile bonus with SHIELD TANK ability. Let me tell you an example, take a Cruiser, Shield tank started at min.4med slots. becouse you will this items: 1,MWDorAB, 2,warp disruoptor/scrambler, 3,web, 4, shieldbooster. thats needed minimum. is there any ANGEL Faction ship, witch have more than 4med slots, than they can fitt for shield tank, like angel npc!

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.06.02 14:37:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Hy Jack
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 01/06/2009 19:33:22
So your basic complaint is there are no shield tanked Minmatar faction ships?

So you're whining because the race you chose to start with doesn't have the ships you'd like to fly.



IM NOT WHINING!
I tell you something with absulte no attack against you.

Im started play 3,5year ago. Ican fly minmatar and gallente ships till BS and all t2 frigs, Cruisers.I learned speed tank, becouse thats the matar power! i belive that, it's working great.Learned both armor and shield tank. I can use all needed tech2 moduls.
But, the most important, im not doing lv2 agents, im not doing boooooring agent mission anymore. just simply told, there is none! factions ship, that gives projectile/missile bonus with SHIELD TANK ability. Let me tell you an example, take a Cruiser, Shield tank started at min.4med slots. becouse you will this items: 1,MWDorAB, 2,warp disruoptor/scrambler, 3,web, 4, shieldbooster. thats needed minimum. is there any ANGEL Faction ship, witch have more than 4med slots, than they can fitt for shield tank, like angel npc!


I'll make some allowances for the fact that not eveyone on the forum speaks English - but your OP says nothing about the weapons or module configuration. You said - and I quote:

Originally by: Hy Jack

Please rebuild those ships for shield tank, take some low fitting slot and give them more medium slots.


I offered you some honest to goodness cases where those ships have been fitted for shield tanking.

I suggest, that if that doesn't offer you the capabilities you need in a ship, that you fly a ship that meets your needs instead of trying to get these ships rebuilt the way you think they should have been.

Hy Jack
Posted - 2009.06.02 14:52:00 - [9]
 

Allrigth,
my english isnt good enough i know, so im trying to write down from the start.

Im started this topic, becouse my point of view is, if npcs uses a shield tanked ship, than would be fair, if i buy a ship from them, thats not a different one.
The question is not about what ship i fly, or i wanna fly.
Angel BCs are the same, what minmatar have. it allright. they have spec cruisers, hacs,and BS, all of them is build for shield tank.
Change Angel faction ships than they can shield tank too, or change angel npc ships for armor tank, becouse they must be the same.
Support this. Thx

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.06.02 15:31:00 - [10]
 

At least for PvE, shield tanking the Angel ships work. Trick is to use speed and distance to your advantage. Did that successfully with the Dramiel and Cynabal, didn't try a Machariel yet, because they're kinda expensive, so I never bought one.

Advantage of the shield tank is the abundance of damage/tracking/speed/cap mods you can put in the lows. The rest of your tank is DPS.

Good enough in my book.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.06.02 22:08:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Hy Jack
Allrigth,
my english isnt good enough i know, so im trying to write down from the start.

Im started this topic, becouse my point of view is, if npcs uses a shield tanked ship, than would be fair, if i buy a ship from them, thats not a different one.
The question is not about what ship i fly, or i wanna fly.
Angel BCs are the same, what minmatar have. it allright. they have spec cruisers, hacs,and BS, all of them is build for shield tank.
Change Angel faction ships than they can shield tank too, or change angel npc ships for armor tank, becouse they must be the same.
Support this. Thx



Not supported.
OP doesn't know how to fit.
Thx.


 

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