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Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
Posted - 2009.05.31 01:35:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
You know. you ppl should here yourselves. If someone complains about the features in this game, right away, we're lacking the intellect smarts, or patents to continue.


I know it's bad form to pick up on bad spelling and grammar in forum posts but this is just too funny in context.

Steve Prospector
Posted - 2009.05.31 01:39:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
You know. you ppl should here yourselves. If someone complains about the features in this game, right away, we're lacking the intellect smarts, or patents to continue.


I know it's bad form to pick up on bad spelling and grammar in forum posts but this is just too funny in context.



Hahaha, and the poor guy probably will not know what we are laughing about. :)

Haman Khanid
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.05.31 02:17:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Haman Khanid on 31/05/2009 02:18:02
Edited by: Haman Khanid on 31/05/2009 02:17:25
Edited by: Haman Khanid on 31/05/2009 02:17:10
EVE Online is just way different then WoW, and you gotta like it, or not.

I'm 18, and I tried out WoW last year. I didn't liked it, so I quit after a couple days of playing on my Undead Rogue. I recently tried out EVE Online, because a fellow friend on Xfire was playing it. I haven't talked to him about me also playing EVE online now, but I'm hooked. Bought a 2 month Game Time Card, and might stick with this MMORPG (pretty much my first MMORPG).

PS: Am I the youngest in this topic? Razz

Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.31 03:16:00 - [94]
 

I'm the youngest in here if we talking about maturity Cool

Linesh Motex
Posted - 2009.05.31 03:40:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Haman Khanid


PS: Am I the youngest in this topic? Razz


i'm 18 to, in this game i think us young ones are far and few compared to other MMOs.

Mike Seary
Minmatar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
Posted - 2009.05.31 14:25:00 - [96]
 


Milo Veraal
Posted - 2009.05.31 17:15:00 - [97]
 

I'm actually grateful WoW exists. Blizzard does a great job keeping all the WoWtards pacified and in one place.

Occasionally one will wander off and find themselves in another MMO, but they get scared away easily enough when their intellect is challenged.

Plexxy
Posted - 2009.05.31 19:27:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Plexxy on 31/05/2009 19:27:43
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular

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But yet a lot of the writers here clearly state that when they started playing, they were also intimidated and in some cases, they actually quit and returned to the game on several occasions. the developers should have it the reverse, the games attractions should entice the player, not chase them away, and a lot of the posters admit that they were chased away at first.


Emphasis on the key word

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As far as help in the help chat is concerned, just stay there and see what being discussed, that's if you can see what's being writing there. At times you can't slow up the scroll because of the spam that being displayed, and then most times, when you ask a volunteer for some guidance, your told "Read the tutorial" That's help! The tutorial doesn't tell you which skills to buy/train first! because I'm so new, I don't know too much about this game. I don't know where I'm going with it! Example of what I'm trying to convey is, if you have the money to buy skills and you don't really know what to train, or what part may fit your ship, and you buy that item, and it's no good or you have to do 3 prerequisites, so now, whatever little isk I had is gone on something worthless at the time, and you're out of luck! Why can't this game be setup to GUIDE a person in the right direction? In most games your block from doing or buying something that you don't need at that particular time. Yet, I have to look at hundreds of item/skills to actually see what prerequisites I would need, now when you're totally new to the game, It gets confusing, and by some posters own admittance, it is frustrating!


Well, there is this guide.
It takes a total of 3 clicks to get to it from these forums without that link.
I hope you realize that once you settle into the game, you can probably re-earn your "life savings" in all of two minutes.

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As far as some of you stating that you do full time college, have a wife and kids, as well as holding a full time job while playing this game, you're so full of ****! If that's true, you should be actually be flying for NASA, so take that and shove it!!


What's so hard to believe? Skills train while you're offline.

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Now in response to some of you stating that I'm looking for "handouts" "Free stuff" "Isk" "having my hand held" Is nonsense! If I'm playing a game, I want to earn what I get, otherwise the fun is nonexistence for me, so take that **** and shovel it somewhere else. being I already bought this game, and have a 60 day free subscription, I'll give it a shot and make the best of it.


If you truly want to earn things, EVE will likely be a good game for you in the end.

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Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my time writing for tit and tat which game is better and such, it's just not productive. From now on, before I purchase a game, I'll make sure that I read the reviews first. With all of this reading that you guys are doing, why not check out the gamer magazine reviews in regard to this game on avg. it gets an 6.5 to 7.0 WOW gets 9.5 I know, I know, 'GO BACK TO WOW YOU LOSER"


The reviews are a waste of time when you can just use a trial account. Reviews for MMOs in general are pretty pointless since they are constantly changing, and many reviews are based on playing the game for too small of an amount of time.


Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.05.31 20:53:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
You know. you ppl should here yourselves. If someone complains about the features in this game, right away, we're lacking the intellect smarts, or patents to continue.


I know it's bad form to pick up on bad spelling and grammar in forum posts but this is just too funny in context.

Laughing

Kytanos Termek
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.05.31 23:59:00 - [100]
 

It is common knowledge among any eve player, and even a running joke too. that Eve's new player experiance is nothing less then confusing, frustrating, and horrific. This is a consequence of the complexity of the game. Eve was built to fulfill a niche market, world of warcraft is a great game. I wont contest that, but it's a different kind of game. Comparing eve to wow, is like comparing the quality of an apple, to a new york hotdog. they are too different to relate to other than saying "this tastes good, this one doesn't".

I am sad that you found your eve experience unsatisfactory, but like any other mmorpg, eve has it's major flaws, and new player experience, is one of them.

Glustar
Posted - 2009.06.01 01:36:00 - [101]
 

can we please not dumb this game down just because your sitting there slamming your head on the keyboard?
its juts like any other mmo they just have different words for everything. Wink

Zak'eni
Revolutionary Socialialist Party of Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.01 08:54:00 - [102]
 

I appreciate the fact that you may be lost, and while EVE can, at times, be poorly documented outside of the game and be a bit counterintuitive - getting "lost" the way you have is no-one's fault other than your own.

The starting tutorial even comes with pop-ups now. Every skill, module and ship in the game will show you its prerequisites. It's not the fault of the game if you refuse to make yourself privy to this information via right-click -> show info, it's your own.

EVE is open-ended and lets you set your own personal goals. It doesn't hold your hand, it expects you to do your own hand-holding and to co-operate with others.

Samal Aran
Posted - 2009.06.01 15:38:00 - [103]
 

Tuscun Nebular....I am sure you will not read this. You seem to care to much about the reviews given by someone that plays this game for maybe a month at the most, refuses to join a player corp, and has just barely skimmed the surface of this game. Well...here is a newsflash...check the date on those coveted reviews of yours. I did a Eve Review google search and only found TWO our of 14 that were NOT published in 2003.

Or is it too complicated to check the date? Might require reading and there is no walkthrough on how to do that I guess....

Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.06.01 16:53:00 - [104]
 

When I read the title, I thought this was going to be either a "why I'm enjoying EVE" post, or possibly a "pay attention new guys, this is what you need to realise". Sadly it turned out it be a whine post.

The OP is correct in his assessment that EVE is unforgiving, and that is precisely why it is good. It's different from the other hand-holding MMOs in that you need to have your wits about you to succeed and get by, so it attracts the kind of people who thrive in that climate. If someone doesn't enjoy this, then it simply means that EVE is not the type of game for them, rather than it being a sign that EVE needs to change.

EVE is unforgiving, and it's awesome. Very Happy

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
Posted - 2009.06.01 17:41:00 - [105]
 

Many people play this game not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

I don't think I bothered with the tutorial in the begining. Set yourself a goal, that always helps. And right-click, show info is your friend.

Pierre Dumonte
Mortis Noir.
Posted - 2009.06.01 17:49:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Gartel Reiman
When I read the title, I thought this was going to be either a "why I'm enjoying EVE" post, or possibly a "pay attention new guys, this is what you need to realise". Sadly it turned out it be a whine post.

The OP is correct in his assessment that EVE is unforgiving, and that is precisely why it is good. It's different from the other hand-holding MMOs in that you need to have your wits about you to succeed and get by, so it attracts the kind of people who thrive in that climate. If someone doesn't enjoy this, then it simply means that EVE is not the type of game for them, rather than it being a sign that EVE needs to change.

EVE is unforgiving, and it's awesome. Very Happy


thats why i keep playing. every day there is a new challenge, something to learn etc. this game is designed to mimic real life. you can be whatever you want to be if you work at it. find some friends in game, and run together. teamwork is the key to success. and always remember that there is always someone better than you at something in this game. you cannot master it all. there is no level 100 god like beings, even a titan pilot can be podded and killed.

Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:08:00 - [107]
 

You want a shove in the right direction?

Sorry, can't help you there, but I can give you a shove in a direction.

For easy pve:
Train Caldari Frigate to 4,
Standard Missiles to 4,
the missile support skills to 3 to 4,
(those are the skills in the missile subset that say they work on all missiles / all guided missiles)
the shield skills so you can fit Shield extender and at least t1 active shield hardener.

Buy a kestrel, fit as many standard missile launcher as you can on it, then as many shield extender as possible and start to fly lvl 1 missions.

After some time (if you are a bit better) buy a caracal, make yourself familiar with passiv shield tanking, put assault missile launcher on it and fly lvl 2s.

After some time, buy a drake, tank it to hell and back, put heavy launcher on it and fly lvl 3.

While you do that, read what else is out there. Once you can fly those missions okayish, either go deeper into caldari skills, or switch to another race.

Timeframe would be around 6 month I'd wager.

Olvel
Posted - 2009.06.01 18:57:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
whatever little isk I had is gone on something worthless at the time, and you're out of luck!

Get used to it. You'll wind up flat-broke more than once. The good news is that no matter how bad it gets you'll always be given a fully fitted n00bship to start over with. Go do some mining or run some L1 missions until you've got your feet under you again. Then make sure you don't make the same mistake twice.
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
In most games your block from doing or buying something that you don't need at that particular time.

Most games out there are fairly limiting.

In WoW, if I want to hurl fireballs at monsters and teleport and conjure food I'm going to have to roll up a Mage. No other class has those abilities. If I later change my mind and decide I'd like to heal people, or charge into combat swinging a sword? Too bad. If I decide that I really want to both hurl fireballs and heal people? Too bad. If I want to play a dwarf and hurl fireballs? Too bad.

That's why most games can limit you and block you from doing stupid things - because the game has already made most of your decisions for you. By rolling up a Mage the game knows you aren't going to be wearing plate armor. And it knows which pile of talents and skills and abilities to give you.

EVE doesn't do that. I can roll up a Caldari and then cross-train into Minmatar ships. I can spend years doing nothing but mining and then decide I'd rather be fighting. I can learn how to use lasers, hybrids, and projectiles. I can do anything I want.

Imagine creating a character in WoW and being offered all the talents from every class in the game. It'd be fairly confusing and intimidating.

EVE allows you to do pretty much anything you want. It doesn't prevent you from doing anything. It won't keep you from doing something colossally stupid, but it won't keep you from doing incredibly clever things either.
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
As far as some of you stating that you do full time college, have a wife and kids, as well as holding a full time job while playing this game, you're so full of ****! If that's true, you should be actually be flying for NASA, so take that and shove it!!

My son would probably agree with you on the "full of ****" bit... But he does exist. As does my wife, and my full-time job (which is how I pay for EVE).

I actually find it easier to play EVE than it was to play WoW. WoW required me to do certain things in order to progress. I had to log in and kill monsters to get XP and gold. I had to run through dungeons over and over again to get good loot. I had to devote hours of my weekend to raiding.

EVE lets me queue up some skills to train while I'm at work or out at the movies with my wife. When I do log in for the evening I can do whatever I want. I can go run missions, or kill some rats, or do some mining, or just sit and chat with folks. I don't have to devote my precious playtime to simply advancing an XP bar.

Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2009.06.01 22:39:00 - [109]
 

<<<< Player Guide

<<<English/Deutsch


Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.06.02 09:44:00 - [110]
 

I think this is quite funny actually. I don't find this game overly complicated in any way. If you think eve is hard, try STARS. That's complicated. 1h 30min tutorial, and you still don't know squat. No, eve is just about easy enough. If it was easier, I would stop playing. And YES, my stuff you can has, IF eve gets any easier/simpler.

I can agree that eve is a bit on the rough side if you try to figure out everything by yourself, but for easy mode, get help. There are so many people in this game that are willing to lend a helping hand. In fact, that's why I didn't communicate a lot in the beginning. It was ruining my game. It took away the pleasure of exploring everything in the game, to learn by trial and error.

If you find it too hard, talk to people. It's a MMO after all. If you don't want to talk to people, read some forums. I avoided this in the beginning, but at some point I got stuck. I still get stuck sometimes, and then it's search the web.

The problem with making a manual is: there's never an omnipotent solution to any problem in eve. There's might be several ways to get around a problem, but they all have their pro's and cons. You just have to make a decision as to whether you want to risk more or play it safe, which is usually what it boils down to in eve.

If you think it's too much, or can't be bothered, take a break and reconsider your options. You'll probably come back at some point, because eve has that one thing that no other game has: no end in sight. You can never "finish" eve. It goes on and on and on... No other game has this. Currently you can develop your character longer than the game has existed. If that seems to daunting to you, then eve is not your game. You need to play some more trashy consumer games before you can learn to appreciate the beauty of eve.

That being said, it's not very time consuming. I currently play about 6-8 hours per week, as my family is consuming most of my time right now. I still enjoy every last second of my time in eve.

aDore Him
Posted - 2009.06.02 10:18:00 - [111]
 

My problem with Eve is this (i really like Eve):

I have no problem fitting myself, I have no problems seeing what fits and what skills do what, I have no problems separating *required/strong* skills from "situational" ones. I know how I will skill whiteout extended Evemon sittings (just use it to see how long something will actually take and change my mind if something equally/little less good takes a much lower amount... Like BC's compared to T2 Medium Guns for instance).


The big problem is what I don't know about the "others":
I have no clue which enemy faction have which resists/which weapon types and I honsetly don't know how to find out ingame (doesn't really matter at the point I am atm).
If I am on a PvP-OP I don't know **** what I am engaging/pointing actually :p. I scout around and say the Shipnames I got on scan... I often don't even know the Shipclass which leads to some unfortunate deads. I don't know which shiptypes I should Orbit close and which far... Yesterday I jumped in on an Assault Frig (was the warp in):
1: I didn't even knew it was an Assault Frig (Enyo or something, I don't remember).
2: I didn't knew that it was a close range beast.
3: I warped in to it at 1000m which were bad news (seriously, what are the odds :p).

The obvious thing to do was orbitting it close in my Rifter because thatís afaik the proper thing to do against most ships... Bad idea, I doubt I could have gotten away with my MWD anyway but I would have survived a little longer (he had a buddy in a BC there).
I know some basics and they grows slowly... But until I know every damn name of every damn T1/T2 Ship and it's "common" range/fit time will pass. Why isn't there a simple colon on what the Shiptype actually is? That wouldn't dumb down the game but make it easyer to *learn*.
There are many other little "issues" like that in Eve were the underlying mechanic isn't complicated or anything, the information is just hard to get.


Btw: I couldn't care less for hard penaltys on death and so on, I think hard penaltys are awesome.

Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.06.02 11:40:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: aDore Him
I have no clue which enemy faction have which resists/which weapon types and I honsetly don't know how to find out ingame

Simply fit four missile launchers with one of each damage type, then fire them all at an enemy simultaneously (from a ship without a damage-type-specific bonus). Based on the different damage that the missiles do you can easily ascertain the target's lowest resistance. As for incoming damage, you can actually "Show Info" on an incoming missile in flight to see what damage types (and how much) it does. For turrets, adopt a similar technique to the above where you fit different hardeners to your ship and activate them one at a time, seeing what this does to the incoming damage. Due to randomness of turret hits however you'd probably need to take a reasonable sample (being fired at for about 60 seconds or so with each hardener) to come to a good conclusion.

Of course, you can look this up out of game more easily, but it is possible to determine for yourself if you don't want to be "spoiled".
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If I am on a PvP-OP I don't know **** what I am engaging/pointing actually :p. I scout around and say the Shipnames I got on scan... I often don't even know the Shipclass which leads to some unfortunate deads. I don't know which shiptypes I should Orbit close and which far... Yesterday I jumped in on an Assault Frig (was the warp in):
1: I didn't even knew it was an Assault Frig (Enyo or something, I don't remember).
2: I didn't knew that it was a close range beast.
3: I warped in to it at 1000m which were bad news (seriously, what are the odds :p).

This is actually one of the most important and difficult PvP skills to develop; knowledge of enemy ships and a reasonable guess at their fittings is crucial to being able to judge a situation. It's something that only comes with experience, though practising matching ship names to ship class -> race -> bonuses -> typical fittings -> typical tactics in that order helps a lot. Work on the first couple of steps with every ship you see and you'll soon get a lot better at it.

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The obvious thing to do was orbitting it close in my Rifter because thatís afaik the proper thing to do against most ships... Bad idea, I doubt I could have gotten away with my MWD anyway but I would have survived a little longer (he had a buddy in a BC there).

A little offtopic, but I don't think you'd have ever beaten a competent Enyo solo in a Rifter. He might have been incompetent of course - and you're right that in an autocannon ship vs. a balster opponent, you really need to use your falloff advantage.

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I know some basics and they grows slowly... But until I know every damn name of every damn T1/T2 Ship and it's "common" range/fit time will pass. Why isn't there a simple colon on what the Shiptype actually is? That wouldn't dumb down the game but make it easyer to *learn*.
There are many other little "issues" like that in Eve were the underlying mechanic isn't complicated or anything, the information is just hard to get.

I don't agree with you here. The information is really easy to get hold of (well, perhaps excluding common fittings) just by showing info on the ship. The hard part comes in memorising it so that it becomes a subconscious action, and that just comes with experience (as does knowledge of fittings).

And making something easier is almost always dumbing it down, since it removes the need to come up with techniques and strategies to minimise the inconvenient factor. If all ships' stats and fittings were trivially viewable, it would remove the advantage that players get from learning common fittings, gathering specific intelligence on enemies, etc. And this really would be a form of dumbing down by removing this aspect.

P.S. there's a "Type" column you can put on the overview that shows the ship type of everything, in case you didn't know. Very useful.

aDore Velr
Posted - 2009.06.02 12:37:00 - [113]
 

Thanks, nice answer.

That type column just says for Instance "Drake"? Or is there truly a column that says... Assault Frigate, Battlecruiser...
I have no doubt I will "get it" soon, it just think it could go way faster whiteout hurting the gaming experience for anyone except guys that like to trash clueless newbs (which everyone does, but trashing newbs with a clue would be more fun?).


OT:
I wasn't going 1on1 at it ;). I was the Tackler/First Point for our little OP and we killed what we wanted to... 150mio killed on cost of 2 frigs and a cruiser iirc. I'm supposed to trash my Frigs anyway and it's ok ^^ (but I changed to use a tank fitted punisher with 3xxx ehp, I have to scout/jump in first often anyway which, at least to me, don't seems to be the Rifters strenght - depending on the enemys :/).

Well my mission ship atm is just fitted for the one enemys that actually really hurt in lvl 2's (Elite Mercenarys with Rockets). Fitting for an OP is probably kinda hard or is there a big overflow of one damagetype?

BushRaider
Posted - 2009.06.02 16:35:00 - [114]
 

@OP.

OK, time to take a deep breath and just relax. :-)

Eve is a very unique game, with many twists and turns, in a pretty much 100% fluid & dynamic environment and the emphasis is on you, the player, to adapt & overcome in said environment. It is not, as has been said numerous times, like WoW or anything like that. The only similarity is the fact that they are both MMORPGs. Game play, game dynamics and mechanics are way different, and take some getting used to.

Yes, it could be pretty bewildering & confusing to start with I guess, but patience is a virture here - take a moment to consider your situation every time you get stuck - there is nearly always a solution. Don't try to run before you can walk.

Trust me, give yourself a chance with Eve, once it "clicks"
you'll find it one of the most challenging & rewarding games you'll ever play. Look me up in game if you like, I'd gladly help you out with a few pointers to get you on the right track.

(oh and for the record, I'm 34 dad of 2 with a f/time job, and only get to play just a few hours a week, but get huge enjoyment from just that.)


Max Queso
Posted - 2009.06.02 21:02:00 - [115]
 

Hey Tuscan, there's a settings tab on your skill sheet. In there you'll find a setting to show skills that you can currently train. As far as the skills you can't train yet, just put them back up on the market.

Popups that keep you from buying things on a free market? Why would you want that? What if you just wanted to trade commodities. What if you were missioning with a buddy, you ran out of ammo and your Minmatar buddy asked you to grab some for him too while you went to the station? Restrictions like you mentioned wouldn't be too beneficial then, and besides, if you buy something you can't use mistakenly then you can simply put it right back up on the market anyway.

Have a little patience, Eve does have a tough learning curve but it makes up for it in depth. Hopefully that'll appeal to ya, good luck!

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.06.03 05:50:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: aDore Velr

That type column just says for Instance "Drake"? Or is there truly a column that says... Assault Frigate, Battlecruiser...
I have no doubt I will "get it" soon, it just think it could go way faster whiteout hurting the gaming experience for anyone except guys that like to trash clueless newbs (which everyone does, but trashing newbs with a clue would be more fun?).


OT:
I wasn't going 1on1 at it ;). I was the Tackler/First Point for our little OP and we killed what we wanted to... 150mio killed on cost of 2 frigs and a cruiser iirc. I'm supposed to trash my Frigs anyway and it's ok ^^ (but I changed to use a tank fitted punisher with 3xxx ehp, I have to scout/jump in first often anyway which, at least to me, don't seems to be the Rifters strenght - depending on the enemys :/).

Well my mission ship atm is just fitted for the one enemys that actually really hurt in lvl 2's (Elite Mercenarys with Rockets). Fitting for an OP is probably kinda hard or is there a big overflow of one damagetype?



1. It can be annoying at first not knowing what class of ship you're seeing. However, you can get around this by right clicking, it will show something like 'hide battlecruisers/assault frigates on overview'. The slower way of course is right clicking and show info. In time, you'll know what ships can do, what they might have fitted etc. This is all experience that makes a PVPer good at what he does.. All that 'know yourself and know your enemy' stuff Smile

2. Good job! It goes to show that all ships have a role, and the isk dmg dealt vs received shows that. Frigates, including their t2 variants, are well-suited for the job of tackling/scouting, while some tend to be better or more specialized at it. Jump in, hold cloak, check overview, check directional. At this point you can hold cloak for longer until the rest of your fleet mates jump in, or just warp off as not a lot of things will catch a frigate (different story in 0.0 though).

3. Incoming damage will depend on what you're fighting. In general though, caldari tend to be kinetic heavy (missile dmg bonus), gallente are therm/kin (blasters + drones), amarr are EM/therm while minmatar can deal all sorts but mainly explosive and EM. Ships that use drones will tend to have thermal (hobgoblins) or explosive (warriors) dmg as these are the most common types of drones used.

Koal
Posted - 2009.06.03 07:34:00 - [117]
 

wts bait thread

sHERU
Posted - 2009.06.03 09:38:00 - [118]
 

*picks up the EVE box from 2003*

*reads the back*

"The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains, strength, and cunning to succeed."

Those are the terms you agree to when playing eve...

Olvel
Posted - 2009.06.03 12:36:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: sHERU
*picks up the EVE box from 2003*

*reads the back*

"The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains, strength, and cunning to succeed."

Those are the terms you agree to when playing eve...

EVE sucks, I didn't get a box!

Korrakas
Caldari
Legion of Ascension
Beyond Ascension
Posted - 2009.06.03 23:43:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
OK guys, and again thanks for the advice. I guess that I'll give it another go, and joing "Eve University". and i'll try to make time to read EVERYTHING? I work on average 12 hours a day on my job, and it's not going to be easy, but i'll give it another try...I see divorce in my near future (Kidding)Thanks again.....


From here on, it was the point of change, he studided hard at E-U recieved honors and became one of the greatest ledgends of EVE Online. He ruled regions of R64 moons with his iron fist and commanded awe inspiring supercapital fleets. He created the first independent allaiance that broke the two major coalitions and then retierd after 4 years as Rear Admiral of the fleet to an eccentric multi-billionaire trader who had a fond habit of answering questions in the rookie channel and giving away faction ships or modules or even lump sums amounting to hundreds of millions to unsuspecting newcomers.

Or he accepeted a contract for a buzzard for 1 million(1 billion ISK)in Jita and some noob went "lolololololol SCAMMED NAAB, LOLOLOLOL GB2WOW I R SO L33T" and then emoraged on the forums again and quited and went back to WoW to grind the latest Breath of Rag Anor raid..

take your pick pilot, the line you tread is very fine...


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