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Gefex
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.29 08:40:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
OK guys, and again thanks for the advice. I guess that I'll give it another go, and joing "Eve University". and i'll try to make time to read EVERYTHING? I work on average 12 hours a day on my job, and it's not going to be easy, but i'll give it another try...I see divorce in my near future (Kidding)Thanks again.....


If you think its hard now you should have seen it when I started, even the tutorial was RUBBISH. But its complexity is certainly part of its charm.

Some advice if your stuck with skills:

- If you find a ship or a module you want to fly, click on the 'Recommended' tab. It will give you a rough guide of what skills you need to train to fly it.

- Download a piece of software called EVEMon, pretty much everyone uses this to work out a good skill training paths. This will even work out if you can save time by training learning skills.

- Get a bit of software called Eve Fitting Tool (EFT) this will let you play with ship load outs without having to spend money on the modules. It will also give you skill recommendations based on your fitting.

DavesTheName
Posted - 2009.05.29 08:41:00 - [62]
 

There's quite a learning curve. I played for about 5 or 6 days before i fully understood the basics of the game and understood what i needed to do now and what i needed to do next. The tutorials are crap, i must say. For instance, the science and industry tutorial that teaches you about the manufacturing process was wholly lacking proper instructions on what to do, so i spent about 20 minutes figuring it out myself.

After 5 days of playing the same character i realized that everything i had done up to this point had been stupid, so i deleted it and made another, and now that i understood everything properly it all made sense.

You're wrong when you say this game is tailored to people who can play long hours every day. Dead wrong in fact. The skill system is designed to accommodate both the hardcore player and the casual player, and i don't know how you don't see this as obvious: Skills train even when you're offline!

You can literally play this game if you only have 2 free hours per week. Log in once, cue up 48 hours worth of skills. Log in again 48 hours later and cue up another 48 hours worth of skills. Log in once more and cue up yet another 48 hours worth of skills, and spend 1 hour a week mining or running missions.

Then, in a few months when your diary cools down and you have more free time to play, you have a load of nice shiny skills all readily trained up and waiting to be put to use.

Knight Hippaforalkus
Gallente
Rage Immortal
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:00:00 - [63]
 

I'm really annoyed now.

I normally pss over these kind of posts with a brief read and laugh, but just really want to put my bit in.

I have been playing Eve for just about 1 year, when I started I started because a friend played it and talked about shiny ships shooting stuff, so yeah I can agree with the mass population of Eve that the learning curve is insane, here was me wanting a shiny ship and there's all this info getting thrown at me. I felt like quiting twice when I started realising how much I had to learn (both myself and character skilling). Just to give an example, I lost 3 Brutix battlecruisers in level 3 missions, I had a civilian armour repairer a small plate and CARGO EXPANDERS! Me knowing nothing at the time thought more ammo was good.

Now I've got from frigate to battleship very well tech 2 fitted, quite a bit of fancy faction stuff too. It all takes time.

Time, reminds me of my other point. I've got a full time management job in retail, so lots of hours to cover as well as extra where needed. I also have a personal life, so I juggle Eve in when I can, sometimes several hours a day, sometimes a couple hours a week.

Eve is a game which really gets your mind going. You NEED to THINK that what your buying can be used, you NEED to THINK that what your doing is going to work. All the stats on ships/guns/ammo/drones/mods all play a part and getting it wrong can mean anything from your guns miss or you lose a drone all the way to damn I've just been podded. It's that intense thinking and involvement and yes complexity that I love about Eve and what makes it stand out to those who actually can cope with it.

"Eve players are to nerds what nerds are to normal people"
Sorry if that offends anyone I just love it and think it's so true.

K.H.

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:15:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
When they made this game, they forgot to take into account that there's working people out there and catered the game for mostly young people who for the most part are students.
orly
A few students in there, but it's mostly professionals.

Margy
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:26:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:45:59
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:42:43
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:04:36
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... mostly D&Ds. My last game was with World of Warcraft...
... it's just too complicated...
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... I was lost because I didn't know what skill to train first...
... If I went to train a skill and it wasn't possible, why does the program let me buy that particular skill/item? If the skill or item isn't compatible for my needs, Why doesn't the program lock me out from doing/buying the item/skill? It would make life in this game a lot easier, and less time consuming! and there's so many other time consuming issues and complication to address...
Something vagely resembling to words...



Fixed.

The program works prefect since it's already preventing YOU to play it. Works 100% as far as I can see.


El Liptonez
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:45:00 - [66]
 

Yeah to that age thingy... I've been in two alliances for one year altogether, you wanna know how many people I saw that were younger than me (18)? None. The youngest was some months older. At least 60% of the people I know are 30+, more than 90% of these have actual jobs, and at least 50% of these have children.
And for me this is my place to be. I'm not interested in listening to 13 year old geeks (well eve is for geeks too) on Teamspeak shouting at me because I epicly fail at epicly fitting my lvl 80 warrior (whatever all that is called). I got bored of WoW when I was at level 28. Did I miss the amazing raids because I wasn't level 40 or something? Did I miss the great PVP of WoW? No, never. No PVP where I cannot lose. I lose more when playing counterstrike, that is messing up my K/D-ratio. I didn't see anything to achieve in WoW, no goals besides reaching level 60 (at that time). No way to get famous, no way to turn the tides of the games. Just stupid macroing all the time.
The opposite of all that is EVE. The sheer depth is amazing, and here experience is what counts. Not the level of my character. And, ofc, 0.0 life. A game "without rules" is the most interesting I can imagine. The same happening in everyday life happens here in a sandbox, time to seize the chance and play around.
Yeah, EVE isn't for idiots, like WoW isn't for idiots. At some point you have to learn about the game, it's just a bit more in EVE. Imo the tutorial of WoW and EVE are about the same ****, without common sense you're going nowhere. You buy skills you can't use? Your fault. Ignoring a tab "prerequisites" is plain stupidity.

And imagine that: Even in WoW you have to move your character to get somewhere else. Shocked

aDore Him
Posted - 2009.05.29 12:14:00 - [67]
 

WoW classic endgame PvE was actually good and fun (after the second raiding instance, the first was more a l2p thing). Even the 5 mans were truly glorious before their second nerf (the first one was kinda justified, some things were really a joke)
PvP was a joke and obviously an afterthought.

TBC is bad (destroyed much of the flair, brought in the EPICSFOREVERYONEOLOLOLOL...).

Wrath of the Lich king is utter garbage (this addon actually made many people I knew that still played wow and for some reason liked TBC leave).


People overdue it a bit with the WoW-Hate. Yes, there are many morons, yes it's very simple to play (and becomes/came simpler and simpler with each patch/addon). Vanilla WoW, and I would fight to my teeth about that, was a good PvE game. Probably one of the or THE best Endgame-PvE-MMO ever. If that wasn't your thing, well... You don't blame Fighting Games for having a lacking Storymode, do you? :p

Olvel
Posted - 2009.05.29 14:21:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:45:59
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:42:43
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/05/2009 16:04:36
I've been playing mmos for some years now, and i've played mostly D&Ds. My last game was with World of Warcraft, and when I seen this game I tought it would be a good change, and at first, I really liked it.


This, honestly, is going to be your first problem.

EVE doesn't really play like other MMOGs out there. Sure, you've got piles of people... And it is basically a timesink... But beyond that the differences are just plain huge. I can't count the number of posts in here that start with "I've been playing MMOGs for years, but..."

Folks who are used to EQ/DAoC/WoW-type games are always surprised by how differently EVE works.
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Then as I went on I realized that it's just too complicated, confusing, and just too time consuming.

For who? For you, obviously... But not for the thousands of people who keep paying to play. Not every game is going to appeal to every person. I don't like Chess all that much, but I'm not going to claim that the game is somehow flawed. There are plenty of people out there who enjoy Chess.
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When they made this game, they forgot to take into account that there's working people out there and catered the game for mostly young people who for the most part are students.

I have a full-time job. I work 40+ hours every week. I have a wife, a kid, and a house - all of which soak into my playtime. So, no, you don't have to be some kid with no life.

Frankly, one of the things I like about EVE is how the game mechanics allow you to have a life. While I'm at work I can still be training a skill. And when I log in at night I don't have to go kill rats for XP just to get ahead... I can run missions for fun, or do some PvP, or zone out in an asteroid belt for a while, or whatever.
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That's why eve online has a limited subscripton.

The reason EVE has a "limited" subscription is because it doesn't appeal to everyone. WoW has broader appeal, and therefor gets more subscribers. There's nothing wrong with either game. The folks who play EVE like the challenge and the complexity.
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Too bad because it as a good story line. (Space adventure) the term used loosely Also, I believe that an actual written walk through guide/book like in other games would be a good idea, because one can refer to it off line! Not every person can spend so many hours on line, hence they can refer to the game off line! God, all of the other mmos have these books!

I assume you're referring to the shiny, magazine-style strategy guides you see on store shelves? Yeah, those are useless.

Strategy guides make sense for a single-player game because things don't change much. But if you look at any MMOG you'll see huge changes from one patch to the next. Go grab any strategy guide released for WoW when it first launched... It'll indicate the cap is level 50. It'll advocate spells and talents that work completely different now. It'll talk about the endgame challenge of the Molten Core. Useless.

There are, however, tons of resources out there to help you get started. Tons of forums. Tons of blogs. Tons of player-run corporations whose sole purpose is to help out new players.

Olvel
Posted - 2009.05.29 14:21:00 - [69]
 

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I found that when I asked for help from the so called vulonteer guys, all they told me was refer to the tutorial.

That's because the tutorials are a fantastic way to get started, and are very often overlooked. They'll light up buttons on your screen and slowly step you through the process... Stuff that someone in a chat channel just cannot do. And 90% of the questions asked in that rookie chat channel are answered by the tutorials.
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When I attempted to train skills, I was lost because I didn't know what skill to train first, and when I bought a skill that I thought that I needed, I bought it, and when i went to train it, a message pops up, that I can't train that skill until I traind something first.

Yup, the first time you look at the skills it is intimidating. All those possibilities... Where to start?

Unfortunately, there isn't a whole hell of a lot of guidance that ayone can give you. Because it really depends on what you want to accomplish. If you want to be a miner you're going to train completely different skills than if you're going to be doing tons of PvP.

The best thing you can do is look at some of the on-line guides about the profession you want to take up. They'll have all sorts of suggestions for what to train first, which ships to aim for, etc.
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then when I bought some item, I had t fly here and there, and do this, and that.

EVE's economy is almost entirely player-driven. If you buy an item, you bought it from another player. If you don't want to go pick up that item, you pay another player to bring it to you. There is no magical postal system that teleports things from one place to another.
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If I went to train a skill and it wasn't possible, why does the program let me buy that particular skill/item? If the skill or item isn't compatible for my needs, Why doesn't the program lock me out from doing/buying the item/skill?

How does the game know what you're planning on doing with the item?

Maybe you're buying the skillbook for a friend, or an alt? Or maybe you're going to haul it elsewhere and sell it for a profit.
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It would make life in this game a lot easier, and less time consuming! and there's so many other time consuming issues and complication to address.

Easier? Less time consuming?

Again, the folks who play this game are not in it for an easy ride. They're looking for complexity and freedom. The game will not prevent you from making stupid mistakes. Nor will it keep you from buying crap you can't use and selling it to someone else.
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What a waste of time and money for the working guy.

Personally, I think the subscription is well worth the money. I thoroughly enjoy the game. Again, not all games will appeal to all people.
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I don't know who or where to send this message to the developers to make them understand how many people who bought this game feel! All you have to do is listen to the confusion in the "Rookie help" yea what a joke that is too!

Most of those confused people you see in rookie chat are taking advantage of the 14-day free trial. So they aren't out anything if they don't like the game. And many people will go through multiple 14-day free trials before they actually convert to a paying subscription.

CCP certainly listens to its players... The game has evolved quite a bit over the years. But they're listening to the folks who actually make them money - the paying players. They aren't going to listen too much to someone who's just on the free trial, or just bought the box and stopped playing after a week. They're interested in the folks who pay month after month.

Olvel
Posted - 2009.05.29 14:22:00 - [70]
 

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What a shame, because this could be a great game like world of warcraft is. And don't tell me that this game is better than WoW just look at the subscription member population, that tells it all!

I'm not going to say that WoW or EVE is better or worse. They're different. And the folks who enjoy EVE don't want it to be anything like WoW. Sure, more players would be good... But not at the expense of turning EVE into WoW-in-space. I played WoW. I now play EVE because it is different from WoW.
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I will not renew my subscription next month, and The developers should take note because again, this could be a real good game if they would just address these issues.

One of the things that I thoroughly enjoy about EVE is the way it does not appeal to everyone. The complexity of the game and the lack of training wheels keeps a certain type of player from making it too far. You need to have the right attitude towards the game to keep playing.
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now, as for you players placing those negative responses like "Oh well you have a simple mind, get the fu--- out of this game, go back to world of warcraft, etc. etc. etc. You can post as many negative responses to my posting as you like,

I don't think you've got a simple mind. I'm not going to tell you to gtfo. But I will say that I think EVE is a better place because it does not appeal to everyone.
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but the numbers don't lie.

No, numbers don't lie... But they don't really mean much either. Are you going to tell me that some game is inherantly superior just because it has a bigger playerbase? If so, Bejeweled must be the best game ever.
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John walsh of G4tv "playin the game is like pulling wisdom teeth on a Sunday afternoon" People!

I don't know who John Walsh is. I don't watch G4tv. I couldn't care less what his opinion is. What I'm worried about is my own opinion, what I enjoy doing.
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All I want to do is play a game, not do 3-4 hours of research and reading after logging onto the game everyday before I can even think of playing!

If you're doing 3-4 hours of research every day you're doing something wrong. But I'll assume you're exaggerating a bit...

That is the game. EVE isn't non-stop action. EVE isn't running around killing badguys all day. EVE involves research, thought, planning, patience, and - yes - boredom.
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Also, look at the magazine reveiws online in regard to EVE ONLINE!

Again with other people's opinions... Didn't you ever learn to think for yourself?
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For the most part the developers made this game for space enthusiasts

Well, yeah... Identify your target audience, build a game they want to play, sell the game to them. That's how it works.
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with no room of simplification to new commers!

Actually, EVE has gotten quite a bit friendlier to newcomers over the years. But EVE isn't for everyone. And the folks who play EVE don't want it to be for everyone. We enjoy this game for what it is. And it is not simple.
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read the reviews.

I'm really not a big fan of reviews. Typically my opinion on a book/movie/game/whatever is quite a bit different than the reviewer's. I've loved movies that were called crap by the critics. I've hated books that the critics loved. I worry more about what I enjoy than what someone else claims is good. And I enjoy EVE.

Olvel
Posted - 2009.05.29 14:23:00 - [71]
 

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All i'm saying is that the game is too time consuming,

You claim you've been playing MMOGs for years... Yet, somehow, you missed the fact that they are all just timesinks. That's how they work. You pay $X a month to play the game... So it is in the developers' best interest to keep you playing for as long as possible. This is true of absolutely every single MMOG out there. It is not unique to EVE.
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confusing, to new players.

I don't think you're using the right word here. EVE is not terribly confusing. Ultimately it boils down to some fairly simple math. The word I think you're looking for is intimidating. EVE doesn't hide much complexity from the player... EVE doesn't keep you from making stupid mistakes... There are no "safe zones" in EVE... And to someone who is looking for WoW-in-space, EVE is fairly intimidating.
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I love space adventure

I don't think I'd call EVE "space adventure." To me, that implies something more like SpaceQuest, or maybe Freespace, or possibly Freelancer. EVE seems more like a 4X title to me... Explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate.
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but I have a life outside the mmo world.

As do most people who play EVE.

aDore Him
Posted - 2009.05.29 14:51:00 - [72]
 

Calling the Tutorial good is a blatant lie.
I had a trial acc a year ago, the Tutorial then was REALLY bad.
Now it's a little better but still...

The Tutorial doesn't tell you that you move per double click and more VERY essential things. It's horrible as a Tutorial. It explains some *advanced* stuff but totally fails at the VERY basics (many, many, many basic controlls. Many, many, many functions of the UI. This Tutorial kinda starts at the *advanced* stage compared to most Tutorials.

I needed over a weak until I noticed that my ship moves via doubleclick.

Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
Posted - 2009.05.29 16:04:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: aDore Him
Calling the Tutorial good is a blatant lie.
I had a trial acc a year ago, the Tutorial then was REALLY bad.
Now it's a little better but still...

The Tutorial doesn't tell you that you move per double click and more VERY essential things. It's horrible as a Tutorial. It explains some *advanced* stuff but totally fails at the VERY basics (many, many, many basic controlls. Many, many, many functions of the UI. This Tutorial kinda starts at the *advanced* stage compared to most Tutorials.

I needed over a weak until I noticed that my ship moves via doubleclick.



It doesn't? I'm pretty sure it did when I started.

maddmaxx III
Caldari
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.29 16:17:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
OK guys, and again thanks for the advice. I guess that I'll give it another go, and joing "Eve University". and i'll try to make time to read EVERYTHING? I work on average 12 hours a day on my job, and it's not going to be easy, but i'll give it another try...I see divorce in my near future (Kidding)Thanks again.....



glad that some of us could help, if you ever need any help or advice just send me a convo or mail.

Blake Shepperd
Gallente
SEED Project
Posted - 2009.05.29 18:03:00 - [75]
 

I don't even know where to start. Oh wait ....... :)

Power gamers don't play EVE. No such thing as power leveling in eve. There is no grind.

And YES the game is challenging. Just does not sound like it's the OP's style.

The devs won't listen, the player base is awesome as is.


FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.05.29 18:25:00 - [76]
 

Threads like this make me feel really smart. I had no problems with the tutorial back in early '08, I had no problems figuring out the skills, market and items. I must be some sort of super genius.

Also I am 30, have a wife and work full time. Sometimes I have to multitask by getting a bj while I play but hey, sacrifices must be made.

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2009.05.29 19:07:00 - [77]
 

I'm calling troll on this - sure it's well written but it's still the 'EvE isn't the game for me so it sucks WAH!' rant we see on a daily basis almost verbatim.

Kezzle
Posted - 2009.05.29 19:24:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: aDore Him
...The Tutorial doesn't tell you that you move per double click ...



It doesn't? I'm pretty sure it did when I started.




It's not long since I did it, and it certainly doesn't. Someone in my rookie corp channel mentioned it.

The Rookie Chat channel is pretty desperate, too, with a monster scroll rate. Some very helpful and knowledgeable people trying to post answers, but so many asinine questions.

SwankNasTy
Black Opz
Socius Inter Nos
Posted - 2009.05.29 19:30:00 - [79]
 

I'm pretty sure one of the first things that they tell you in the tutorial is that double clicking will take you towards that object.

Hydra Ki
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.05.29 20:02:00 - [80]
 

To the original poster, good luck on your adventures in eve.

I think you do well and enjoy Eve Online.

Playing the role of DM in D&D is more challenging in my opinion than EVE Online. (interesting storytelling, loot tables, campaign balance, party balance, encumbrance, saving throw modifiers, etc.)


Korous
Caldari
Shadow Rogue Industries
Posted - 2009.05.29 20:20:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Korous on 29/05/2009 20:38:49
Edited by: Korous on 29/05/2009 20:19:49
OP, I Beta tested this game, and believe me it evolved. It has gotten more "general player" friendly. But everyone who has posted that it isn't for everybody couldn't be more right. A few months after the game went gold, i gave up, my chars were horrible and I was aggravated. The only other game I was playing at the time was Earth and Beyond, which was a much more WoW like space game. I say was because that game is history and Eve is still going strong. I came back and trained my char like crazy, he has over 42 million SP and can fly dread and so on. But I find that there is more I don't know than I thought possible after all this time. I have only engaged other players in PvP when I have had to defend myself. I have trained with ultimate the goal of going PvP but I have been focusing on learning the PvE, mining and manufacturing aspect.
Bottom line, don't judge the game as a whole when you have only experienced a tenth of one percent of it. Give it a chance, and hey if you still don't like it, WoW and others will still be around! Twisted Evil

Milo Veraal
Posted - 2009.05.29 22:39:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Milo Veraal on 29/05/2009 22:41:26
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
My last game was with World of Warcraft, and when I seen this game I tought it would be a good change, and at first, I really liked it.
I'm going to stop you right here. World of Warcraft is the dumbed down e-z mode of MMOs. Blizzard spoils you guys rotten. Often when WoW players leave for other MMOs, they're hit with the reality that other games are *gasp* different! Shocked These differences scare the WoWbrats away where they then cry about how awful other games are.
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
Then as I went on I realized that it's just too complicated, confusing, and just too time consuming.
See above.
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
When they made this game, they forgot to take into account that there's working people out there and catered the game for mostly young people who for the most part are students.
EvE Online is by far the most friendly game for casual players. How many other MMOs allow your character to continue advancing offline?
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
That's why eve online has a limited subscripton.
lol wut?
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
Also, I believe that an actual written walk through guide/book like in other games would be a good idea, because one can refer to it off line! Not every person can spend so many hours on line, hence they can refer to the game off line! God, all of the other mmos have these books!
Again, WoW has spoiled you. All of these things you've listed in the above quote do indeed exist and are readily available. Nobody here is going to spoon feed you nor hold your hand. You actually have to do some reading Shocked This is, after all, a game of reading and mathematical comprehension.
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
I found that when I asked for help from the so called vulonteer guys, all they told me was refer to the tutorial. When I attempted to train skills, I was lost because I didn't know what skill to train first, and when I bought a skill that I thought that I needed, I bought it, and when i went to train it, a message pops up, that I can't train that skill until I traind something first.
I'll give in on this one. EvE Online admittedly has the worst tutorial of any video game ever created. This is also one of my personal issues with EvE.
Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
What a shame, because this could be a great game like world of warcraft is. And don't tell me that this game is better than WoW just look at the subscription member population, that tells it all!
lol, just because a lot of people subscribe doesn't mean it's a good game. A lot of people sign up for AOL and it's terribad. Runescape and Maple Story each individually have higher "subscription member populations" than World of Warcraft. You're reading too much into these numbers.

So here's the TL;DR version below if all that text above is too much to read:

EvE Online is NOT World of Warcraft.
It will never be in any way, shape, or form.

We have an expression here in EvE and it's pretty much prevalent in every other non WoW MMO. "gb2WoW" Obnoxious crybaby WoWbrats aren't welcome in other MMOs, least of all EvE (not a shot at you personally).

If you want to learn how to play EvE, there are plenty of kind and patient players in this game who will teach you. They will make time from their busy schedules to show you the ropes if you're respectful and courteous. I will personally help you ingame if you ask (with knowledge, not money). In metaphorical terms, I won't give you a fish but I will teach you how to fish.

Crying, whining, and bringing the "EvE suxxors WoW ruels" attitude to the game will only draw flames from other players, both ingame and on the forums (as you've no doubt already witnessed).

Kezzle
Posted - 2009.05.30 08:04:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: S****NasTy
I'm pretty sure one of the first things that they tell you in the tutorial is that double clicking will take you towards that object.


Maybe so, but only towards objects, not empty space...

Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
Posted - 2009.05.30 10:59:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Kezzle
Originally by: S****NasTy
I'm pretty sure one of the first things that they tell you in the tutorial is that double clicking will take you towards that object.


Maybe so, but only towards objects, not empty space...


Double clicking on objects wont take you towards them unless you missed, so I doubt that's the case. Don't make me have to do the tutorials again just to prove you wrong.

Mad Menyo
Caldari
Devil's Cast-a-ways
Posted - 2009.05.30 15:31:00 - [85]
 

R-mouse info....
check what you need for a skill it's as simple as that. Do you buy a epic weapon in WoW without checking if your character can wield it? Man you must suck at WoW :D.

Yes it is slow paced, but with the skills system you can train your character when you are at work. And you don't have to be on for like 5 hours on saturday evening to do a raid with a slight chance you walk away with a ncie item. In eve you can just check the price and work slowly towards it.

Indeed the noob chat sucks, it's messy and loads of people talk in it. Don't know why you expect to get detailed help in this chat. Go to the forums, read, read, read... you do know how to read right or didn't you finish your school becaus of WoW? After reading till your eyes roll out, start asking questions in the forum and 99% of us here WILL try to help you out and give you information. The internet is the perfect strategy guide and it happens to be free too. If you realy want a book, there are plenty around to buy if you look around a little.

The numbers don't lie? The servers are full on prime time. Indeed this game isn't like WoW or any other. But thats why we like this game, i like hardcore games. I love to play civilization on deity, i love to play diablo 2 on hardcore, i love to find out how deep game mechanics work. I like to use my brain when i play games and fit in the pieces to complete the puzzle.

Couple of weeks ago i invited some friends that play WoW to come play eve. I told them that it was slow paced and hard to get in to. I felt they actually rather went on with WoW and that i was wasting my time. But now we are 2 weeks further and they are probably guild kicked due to inactivity in WoW :D. They love the complex part of the game, the endless possibilities. I'll just hope they keep playing when there ships/pods are popped becaus they are not used to penalties. Man, i love penalties, whats the fun of playing a game where you can't die or lose something. These days games have endless lives.... wheres the time of games like contra on the SNES/arcade... just 3 lifes and a screen full bullets where just 1 bullit it enough. The sattisfaction you get when you finish a game like that is huge. And the same count for eve, you can be proud on yourself when you reached a certain goal.

Whats the goal in WoW? Get very good PVP or PVE gear... and offcourse have fun. The goals in Eve are endless. So yes, if you don't like this go do some raids with your carebear friends in WoW. Indeed we won't miss you here or any of the other millions of players that play WoW. However you are all welcome to try as long as you don't spam the forums with pod kill whining :D.

Ltr,


Milo Veraal
Posted - 2009.05.30 15:37:00 - [86]
 

I think the OP is already long gone. Somewhere in another universe dancing naked on top of mailboxes for money.

/facepalm

Tuscun Nebular
Posted - 2009.05.30 23:16:00 - [87]
 

You know. you ppl should here yourselves. If someone complains about the features in this game, right away, we're lacking the intellect smarts, or patents to continue. But yet a lot of the writers here clearly state that when they started playing, they were also intimidated and in some cases, they actually quit and returned to the game on several occasions. the developers should have it the reverse, the games attractions should entice the player, not chase them away, and a lot of the posters admit that they were chased away at first.

As far as help in the help chat is concerned, just stay there and see what being discussed, that's if you can see what's being writing there. At times you can't slow up the scroll because of the spam that being displayed, and then most times, when you ask a volunteer for some guidance, your told "Read the tutorial" That's help! The tutorial doesn't tell you which skills to buy/train first! because I'm so new, I don't know too much about this game. I don't know where I'm going with it! Example of what I'm trying to convey is, if you have the money to buy skills and you don't really know what to train, or what part may fit your ship, and you buy that item, and it's no good or you have to do 3 prerequisites, so now, whatever little isk I had is gone on something worthless at the time, and you're out of luck! Why can't this game be setup to GUIDE a person in the right direction? In most games your block from doing or buying something that you don't need at that particular time. Yet, I have to look at hundreds of item/skills to actually see what prerequisites I would need, now when you're totally new to the game, It gets confusing, and by some posters own admittance, it is frustrating!

As far as some of you stating that you do full time college, have a wife and kids, as well as holding a full time job while playing this game, you're so full of ****! If that's true, you should be actually be flying for NASA, so take that and shove it!!

Now in response to some of you stating that I'm looking for "handouts" "Free stuff" "Isk" "having my hand held" Is nonsense! If I'm playing a game, I want to earn what I get, otherwise the fun is nonexistence for me, so take that **** and shovel it somewhere else. being I already bought this game, and have a 60 day free subscription, I'll give it a shot and make the best of it.

Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more of my time writing for tit and tat which game is better and such, it's just not productive. From now on, before I purchase a game, I'll make sure that I read the reviews first. With all of this reading that you guys are doing, why not check out the gamer magazine reviews in regard to this game on avg. it gets an 6.5 to 7.0 WOW gets 9.5 I know, I know, 'GO BACK TO WOW YOU LOSER"

Estel Arador
Posted - 2009.05.30 23:35:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
As far as help in the help chat is concerned, just stay there and see what being discussed,

I lurk in the Help chat and occasionally participate. It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
Questions gets asked and usually answered pretty decently and in a timely matter. It's not that hard to follow either, if you're paying attention.

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
I don't know too much about this game. I don't know where I'm going with it!

You can fix that yourself. Read up on the game.


Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
Why can't this game be setup to GUIDE a person in the right direction?

Current tutorials do guide players and even give them the basic items and skills they need.

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
In most games your block from doing or buying something that you don't need at that particular time. Yet, I have to look at hundreds of item/skills to actually see what prerequisites I would need, now when you're totally new to the game, It gets confusing

EVE doesn't block you from anything, the game can't decide for you what you 'need' and what you don't 'need'. You might want to make money trading something which is useless to you but which can earn you a nice profit. It wouldn't be very cool if the game blocked you from that because you don't 'need' the item...

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
As far as some of you stating that you do full time college, have a wife and kids, as well as holding a full time job while playing this game, you're so full of ****! If that's true, you should be actually be flying for NASA, so take that and shove it!!

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Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
why not check out the gamer magazine reviews in regard to this game on avg. it gets an 6.5 to 7.0 WOW gets 9.5

I'd love to read up on that. Do you have any links to the reviews you're referring to?

Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
Posted - 2009.05.31 01:32:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Tuscun Nebular
With all of this reading that you guys are doing, why not check out the gamer magazine reviews in regard to this game on avg. it gets an 6.5 to 7.0 WOW gets 9.5 I know, I know, 'GO BACK TO WOW YOU LOSER"


WoW gets high marks because it's such a familiar format from many, many other games. It takes time to understand Eve, time reviewers just don't have. All the reviews i've ever read of Eve, even the praising ones, written by people who at the most spent a week playing with it, have failed to grasp the basic point of the game. Yahtzee, for instance, stayed away from interacting with anyone else. That may be a viable tactic in WoW but it isn't in Eve, and surely defies the whole point of an MMO.

Steve Prospector
Posted - 2009.05.31 01:32:00 - [90]
 

Imagine if someone said the following:

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Chess is too complicated! Playing Checkers is much easier! Most people like Checkers better! More people play Checkers than play Chess! I don't want to have to read a bunch of books to play a game!
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If you do not want to play EVE-Online, then do not play it. No one is going to force you to play it. Are there lots of things that could be done to make Eve Online easier? Yes, there are. Some of things that could be done to make playing EVE-Online easier have already been done by CCP, and some of them have already been done by people like Chribba, Ombrey, and Halada. Could more be done? Yes it could, but most of us do not plan to sit around waiting for that to happen when we could be learning about the game and playing the game *today*.

When I first started playing EVE-Online last June, I began by doing the tutorial missions. However, when I got to the real missions, I got my ship blown out from under me. It was at that point that realized that I had no idea what I was doing. I did not have much money (isk) and I had no idea what to buy or what strategy to use so that I could avoid getting blown up again. So I started reading the forums to see what I could learn. At the top of each of the forums were all of these helpful guides. The purpose of these guides were to help new people like me. Those guides are still there at the top of the forums.

As I went through the forums, I found Halada's Mining Guide and started mining. While I was mining, some nice people came up to me and talked to me about joining their corp. I joined, and met a lot of people who helped me with my questions, took me on missions with them, and took me mining. I now have a Hulk to mine with, I can buy any battleship I want, and I have been on many mining ops, mission runs, and fleet battles.

If you want help, just ask for it, but if you tell us our game sucks and we need to make it more like WOW, we are going to laugh at you, ignore you, insult you, or maybe a combination of all three.

FINAL NOTE: You want to watch the Star Trek movie? Fine, sit back and munch on some popcorn while you watch it. You want to simulate flying ships in space? You're going to have to learn about shields, and warp core stabilizers, and armor regeneration. Time and again, I find that when it comes to people who complain about this game, it is almost always from people who are UNWILLING TO READ.

This game requires reading. Unless you are willing to do that, this game is going to suck for you, because noone will do the reading for you.

If that is too much for you, WOW is waiting for you with open arms. Have a nice day. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :)


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