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Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:01:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Adziy on 12/06/2009 14:55:23
If you often Jettican Mine, and it keeps getting stolen, I've come up with an idea to help you. Read on....
Warp between two places, and place a bookmark, mid-warp. Then, eject one thing, and bookmark the can. Now you have a cargo container that no-one can find. Then go about mining as usual, but instead of going back to the station, or risk loosing it all with jettican mining, just go to your bookmark and place it in that cargo container.
The good thing is, is that no one can find this can, because it is in the middle of nowhere, and the bookmark should be saved, for later use.
It may not be as quick as just plain jettican mining, but it cannot be safer - unless you take it straight to the station, it is quicker than taking it the whole way there though.
Just a bit of advice, take it or leave it.
Mine safe, Adziy

Forgotten Heathen
Heretical Innovations
Talocan United
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:05:00 - [2]
 

It's a good idea, someone has brought it up in their jetcan topic before. However, you don't have to wait til you run out of capacitor. Open your system map, and while you're jumping to the field, hit your "Add Bookmark" button on your People and Places. It will create a bookmark in space where your ship was at that moment. I spam it and usually get a good one.

Irish Blend
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:08:00 - [3]
 

jetcan mining in empire - don't do it
Empire is so chock full of 0.0 failbears and low sec wash outs grumbling they got their hides handed to them, they come to 0.0 to hassle non pvp players till they get their replacement ********* from the medical facility.

And they are in abundance. Talking to them in private or local only fuels their 12 year old games.

Joining a corp in empire doesn't help much more.

Just fit a cargo expander and go back and forth. It doesn't take that long, and you have no hassles to deal with.

Rhakriel Mesolian
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:20:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rhakriel Mesolian on 28/05/2009 12:20:34
edit: someone beat me to the punch, but i'll leave in the details in case it helps

i've never bothered stashing a can outside of a belt, mostly due to the locations i mine in i don't worry about it much. there is a faster way to get a location like that though, which is called a safe spot. they're very useful in pvp as well. anyway, after exiting the station open up your people and places and go to the places tab. then enter warp and during the transit create a bookmark quickly and rename it as needed.

if you want a very secure location you can create a more secure safe spot by warping to your first safespot, then warping to another belt or planet and making a new bookmark in mid-warp. this will be truly in the middle of nowhere as it won't be between two celestial bodies at all.

Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:21:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Irish Blend
Just fit a cargo expander and go back and forth. It doesn't take that long, and you have no hassles to deal with.

That is the best idea, Im just giving the info to those who dont have the money for cargo expanders. All the noobs

Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.28 12:22:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Adziy on 28/05/2009 12:22:48
Originally by: Rhakriel Mesolian
if you want a very secure location you can create a more secure safe spot by warping to your first safespot, then warping to another belt or planet and making a new bookmark in mid-warp. this will be truly in the middle of nowhere as it won't be between two celestial bodies at all.

Good idea

fatherted1989
Red Horizon Inc
Posted - 2009.05.28 14:35:00 - [7]
 

or just drop a GSC lol?

i seed say 4 belts, 6 cans in each. fill em all up, then do the rounds in a badger2 to pick it all up.

Ikserak tai
Posted - 2009.05.28 14:47:00 - [8]
 

A whole lot of Level I and II missions are chock full of fat 'roids to mine. You can more or less jetcan mine with impunity.

Yeah, you'll probably lose the time bonus, but the upside beats the heck out of belt mining.

And someone stealing your ore can just annoy the h*** out of you, and just ruin a nice day watching mining lasers fry your retinas.

Karina Vostov
Posted - 2009.05.28 18:34:00 - [9]
 

Never thought about dropping a jetcan mid-way between station and belts... :) Good idea, and probably safe. What are the chances that someone can scan down your jetcan and swipe the stuff?

Drunken Idiot
Posted - 2009.05.29 00:13:00 - [10]
 

Zero, so long as you don't pitch a proverbial tent at your jetcan safe spot and start roasting marshmallows (read: don't sit at your can longer than it takes for you to fill it up).

However, a particularly-persistent and determined scavenger/thief familiar with this practice (so-called "ninja mining") COULD warp to your belt and directional scan you as you warp away to see where you went. If he/she notices you haven't gone far, he could pre-position his probes around the probable location of where you warped off to and peg your location with a good scan if he/she timed it just right. That's why you'd have to be fast, to avoid that probe.

But is that LIKELY to happen? No. That's some determined griefing right there. Twisted Evil

Hanna Montanna
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:43:00 - [11]
 

Pretty neat idea on the surface, but when delved into, it fails in reality. The whole point of jet can mining is to save time from warping back and forth due to a small cargo hold. If you are going to do this "ninja mining", you might as well take the extra 20 seconds it takes to go to the station to drop off the ore and then go back to your spot, rinse and repeat. It really wouldn't take that much longer to take it to the station then it would to warp to your can everytime your hold is full, not to mention you have to warp your hauler to this can also. Go with the safe bet or do real jet can mining, but keep "ninja mining" in the back of your mind, it may come in handy sometime in the future, but in reality it's useless if you are looking to manage your time efficiently.

ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:19:00 - [12]
 

go off grid (~500k in any direction from the belt, until the ore in the overview disappears) bookmark, drop can. voila! your little secret place.

Noh Senz
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:22:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Noh Senz on 29/05/2009 11:25:14
Originally by: fatherted1989
or just drop a GSC lol?


Anchoring secure containers is the only sensible way to mine solo, until you get a decent cargohold to warp back & forth.

I used to fly an Osprey and jetcan as well. I would always fit a tractor beam, because :

  • You can move your can around the belt

  • Keep mining as you slowboat from a GSC to another

  • Moving your can gives a hard time to ORE thieves


Thieves who use a large carghold usually can't match your speed.
Those who can match your speed usually have a tiny carghold. Then they actually have to flip cans to steal your ore, hardly fast enough as your own can gets away.
Most thieves do give up to this, as you give them too much trouble to care.

But I did meet one who just couldn't let me go and kept chasing my Osprey around the belt, until he bought a tractor as well...
I finally got my can flipped, punishement deserved for the risk I took. Was lot of fun though Razz

Dr Silkworth
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:29:00 - [14]
 

The time to undock and dock is huge compared to align and warp times. Everybody should know about safespots anyhow. I used this method with an expanded cruiser xs-cl beams and mining bonus until I got to retriever. Once I got to retriever, pirate losses from theft didn't bother me anymore and I would just jetcan right beside myself and let them go do their thing cause the strips worked so nice. The pirates flipping cans stay pretty localized, they are lazy and cowards by nature. Just find another system a bit further out from the main hubs. Stay in the 1.0 systems and don't let anyone goad you into attacking them. They have as much right to what you drop in space as you do. Its the law.

I also used an industrial with one miner and went afk for hours at a time. At the time I thought a quarter million a load was huge and would do other things around my house with a smug look on my face. :)

Divad Ginleek
Gallente
New Eden Logistics and Trade.
Posted - 2009.05.29 13:57:00 - [15]
 

The best thing you can do is just create a hauler alt to sit next to your hulk and take the ore the moment you transfer it into the can. Alternatively, you can get a corp mate to be the hauler. But then you have to split profits, and mining is already about as unprofitable as activities can get in EVE.

Kat Bandeis
Caldari
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2009.05.29 17:11:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kat Bandeis on 29/05/2009 17:14:43
Originally by: Hanna Montanna
Pretty neat idea on the surface, but when delved into, it fails in reality. The whole point of jet can mining is to save time from warping back and forth due to a small cargo hold. If you are going to do this "ninja mining", you might as well take the extra 20 seconds it takes to go to the station to drop off the ore and then go back to your spot, rinse and repeat. It really wouldn't take that much longer to take it to the station then it would to warp to your can everytime your hold is full, not to mention you have to warp your hauler to this can also. Go with the safe bet or do real jet can mining, but keep "ninja mining" in the back of your mind, it may come in handy sometime in the future, but in reality it's useless if you are looking to manage your time efficiently.


I disagree completely. I tried the safespot jetcanning method with my main last night in his Exequror (1800+ m3) and it worked nicely, saving time that someone without two accounts and/or an exhumer/barge wouldn't otherwise save. Fill up the cargohold, warp to safespot, drop into jetcan (27k m3), and warped back to other bookmark. When the jetcan was full I docked, changed ship to Mammoth (28k cargo), and picked up the ore. It really did work out pretty well.

Note I won't do this regularly, only for alts that I'm winding down from mission running with. But for single-account holders, this is a nice technique that works well and saves time. I wouldn't use it for less than Exequror-sized cargohold, but still...

Jade MIdas
Posted - 2009.05.29 19:10:00 - [17]
 

this is awesome - works like a charm

Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.30 10:55:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Noh Senz
I used to fly an Osprey and jetcan as well. I would always fit a tractor beam, because :

  • You can move your can around the belt

  • Keep mining as you slowboat from a GSC to another

  • Moving your can gives a hard time to ORE thieves


Thieves who use a large carghold usually can't match your speed.
Those who can match your speed usually have a tiny carghold. Then they actually have to flip cans to steal your ore, hardly fast enough as your own can gets away.
Most thieves do give up to this, as you give them too much trouble to care.

But I did meet one who just couldn't let me go and kept chasing my Osprey around the belt, until he bought a tractor as well...
I finally got my can flipped, punishement deserved for the risk I took. Was lot of fun though Razz


Interesting expansion on the Osprey with Tractor beam idea, Orbit a roid whilst mining and tractor beam engaged, pain in the arse for the flipper :)

John Cant
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.10 12:56:00 - [19]
 

Or,

Instead of using your own can, have a corp mate drop one instead. Then if it get's tipped, they get to blast the snot out of them instead. :)

I'm planning to take the stealth bomber along on the next mining operation just to do this, sitting cloaked in the belt with torpedoes, webs and scrams at the ready .:)

Jc.

Iomar Uisdean
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.10 13:57:00 - [20]
 

Best advice for jet can mining is Don't.

Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.10 17:26:00 - [21]
 

I figured it out. Its faster than using an industrial, but not as fast as regular jetican mining - although safer. Sooo...
Do as I have said, hide your can in the middle of nowhere, and use cargo expanders on your mining ship, fill the can, and use the cargo expanders on your hauler. I used a Thorax and an Iteron V and it did prove to be faster than just using my Iteron to mine (which is what I usually do), because my Iteron could fit almost the entire can in its cargo with 5 C.E.2s, and my thorax could fit 3 miner 2s and 5 C.E.s, which is quicker than just my Iteron.
You may say; why not just se the Iteron V and CEs? Well, because it only has one turret slot, that means one mining laser, so it is much slower
I did find though, that I lost interest warping back and forth.

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2009.06.10 18:35:00 - [22]
 

Hasn't anyone ever thought of simply mining in a less crowded system? The roids are much better and nobody ever, ever bothers you. I jetcan mine all the time and have never once been can-flipped. I assumed people that mine in crowded systems actually want can-flippers just to spice up their otherwise boring mining ops.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2009.06.11 02:06:00 - [23]
 

I jetcan mine all the time, hoping that someone will steal it. It would be the only excitement mining has to bring and the fact that I jet can into my PVP toon's can would make it all the more exciting.

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2009.06.11 14:04:00 - [24]
 

Quote:
Keep flying back and forth between the station and the asteroid belt, until your capacitor cannot get you the full way to either and you stop in the middle of nowhere.


To the OP..

You dont have to do this. Simply open up 'People and Places', go to places and hit the 'add bookmark' button while in warp

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2009.06.11 14:05:00 - [25]
 

Advice for Jet Can Miners...

Don't do it.

Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.11 17:17:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Advice for Jet Can Miners...

Don't do it.


People keep saying that. Ok, I get it. This is advice for those who do want to (or have to)

Ultranoia
Posted - 2009.06.11 17:49:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Ultranoia on 11/06/2009 17:54:29
Edited by: Ultranoia on 11/06/2009 17:53:26
Edited by: Ultranoia on 11/06/2009 17:49:42
Originally by: Drunken Idiot
However, a particularly-persistent and determined scavenger/thief familiar with this practice (so-called "ninja mining") COULD warp to your belt and directional scan you as you warp away to see where you went. If he/she notices you haven't gone far, he could pre-position his probes around the probable location of where you warped off to and peg your location with a good scan if he/she timed it just right. That's why you'd have to be fast, to avoid that probe.


I have done this from time to time, especially when I practiced my scanning skills. What I did was to move around the belts to find miners who hide their jetcans not far from the belts. Use of the directional quickly reveals these. Then I position the probes at the supposed location (unactive) and observe the miner for the right time to activate the probes. Timing this correctly usually hits the spot right away, no matter how fast you unload the ore, as the seconds you use to go into or out off warp falls within the scan time. The difficult ones are those that jettison their can far away from the belt, at a safespot that is created by bookmarking between safespots. But with some observation and deduction these can also be found if they warp back and forth at a regular pace, giving me time to adjust and repeat searches.

Don't think this is a very used practice though, so unless someone is determined to find you the ninja miner is probably safe.


Letrange
Minmatar
Red Horizon Inc
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.06.11 19:12:00 - [28]
 

Another solution: Transfer box mining

if you have a 2nd pilot or an alt, you bring along a GSC, set the password to something you both agree on and anchor it above a likely mining spot. Every cycle, ore goes into the GSC and the hauler pulls it out the other side. If it's in the same system as the destination station you have enough time to drop off a full load and get back in time before the hulk runs out of place (between his hold and the gsc).

Passworded gsc's can't be flipped.

Other solution: go mine in wormhole space. The ores are much better, the rocks much larger no rats after you clear out the only spawn.

Dubh Sidhe
Sidhe Industries
Posted - 2009.06.11 21:50:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Dubh Sidhe on 11/06/2009 21:50:49
Since I left Lonetrek and The Citadel regions, I've had no problems with jet-can mining. I just moved out to the middle of nowhere, dropped a PoS in an empty 0.5 system and mine there. Thieves rarely venture into a system that has no NPC stations. And I've never seen an ore thief in a system with no NPC stations and no NPC stations in neighboring systems. It all boils down to where you mine.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2009.06.11 21:58:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Maxpie
Hasn't anyone ever thought of simply mining in a less crowded system? The roids are much better and nobody ever, ever bothers you. I jetcan mine all the time and have never once been can-flipped. I assumed people that mine in crowded systems actually want can-flippers just to spice up their otherwise boring mining ops.


Must... mine.. in.. Jita..


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