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Sonic Sue
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.23 20:51:00 - [1]
 

I need help
Im a small corp ceo I would like to be a bigger corp ceo but it takes time.
Time is a funny thing it moves slowly.
Iv been in 3 small corps and have ben war deced in each, Every time the decing corp aint much but just a bit two much for a young corp with few skilled pilots. All three corps iv done this with could only put 3 4 real ships in to the effort so chose not to.

I got in contact with other war deced corps and local ceo,s and found out that we are all in the same boat. I tried and am still trying to get a solution to this problem and came up with the below. I was going to send it tall local ceo,s. Having looked at there, some times paranoid and insular web sites i decided not to.

So lets get to it below is the proposal i was going to send out. I need help to reconstruct the idea in to somthing that would be more atractive to the local ceo,s


I see from your corp info that you are Illinfrik based

Several small corps have been war dec,ed in the past month including my own, small corp

The corps that are normaly doing this are no bigger than my own corp but have 5/8 (normaly) decent but not very old fighters.

Having talked to several ceo,s form the corps involved we all seem to have the same problem.

1 We are not pvp, or mainly pvp corps.
2 we dont normaly get involved in war.
3 A lot,if not most of our corp members
are miners, traders, makers off one sort or
another,and dont realy do war.
4 The ones that would love to kick ass,
cant because they are normaly instructed
not to by the ceo so they dont prolong
the war.
5 The ones that arnt aloud to kick ass
resent the ones that dont want to,and
visa versa.

Iv now been in three corps that this has happend to.

Each time its the same, a big debate about fighting them then realization you wont win without help.
This situation is only going to get wors, in 2 years from now rens is going to be jita mk2,
so we can move out, or prepair to defend ourselves (hopefully some time soon).

I dont want to be in an alliance and most of the corp ceo,s iv talked to are of the same mind

Making an alliance sets you up to fight wars you dont want, to fight war on behalf off and normaly coused by peeps you dont realy know

Iv proposed setting up a merc corp in illinfrik, that could do the fighting for us, to several ceo,s.

Most of them have been interested bt dont want to put the time in to the managment of it, I also think they are a bit frightend they may loos corpies to it

The way i sugested to do this would make both the above very unlightly.

1 The corp is normaly empty with only 1
ceo alt, and alt directors to keep it open.
2 Each member corp has an alt director.
3 The corp is only funded to a level that
allows an office to be kept open in
illinfrik.
4 The corp retains no assets.
5 In time of war member ceo,s allow those
of his corp that want to fight to
temperary leave the corp to join the merc
corp.
6 A war dec on the war decing corp is
funded by each member corp donating an
equal share for the decing price.
7 It is up to each ceo to help fund his
own fightng corpies ( or not to fund if
he so chooses ).
8 No fighting member can move between
member corps within 3 month of being
involved in the merc corp.
9 The merc corp accepts no members full
time, and accepts no member from a
none member corp for longer than the
length of the existing war.

I now need to know if there is any real interst in this self defence prposal.
If there is a decent amount of interest ie more than me, i would need some help in deciding the
exact rules and format, the above is nothing more than a propsal

So there you are. Im 10 month old i need help constructive help i need some of you old boys/girls to forget that im a care bear and help me get it together.
And wow thanks in advance.Very Happy


Alt Tabbed
Posted - 2009.05.24 01:53:00 - [2]
 


Wall of repetitive text hits you for 9001(Wrecking!)


Have you considered....I don't know...just hiring a merc corp when the need arises?



Kingnuts
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.24 05:58:00 - [3]
 

Repetitive text is repetitive.

2nd

Je'Nann
Ultimate Inc.
Posted - 2009.05.24 06:53:00 - [4]
 

hi. couldnt be botherd reading your post, but im a fan of bullet points too.

Essence Praetor
PWN3
Posted - 2009.05.24 13:22:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sonic Sue
I need help
Im a small corp ceo I would like to be a bigger corp ceo but it takes time.
Time is a funny thing it moves slowly.
Iv been in 3 small corps and have ben war deced in each, Every time the decing corp aint much but just a bit two much for a young corp with few skilled pilots. All three corps iv done this with could only put 3 4 real ships in to the effort so chose not to.

I got in contact with other war deced corps and local ceo,s and found out that we are all in the same boat. I tried and am still trying to get a solution to this problem and came up with the below. I was going to send it tall local ceo,s. Having looked at there, some times paranoid and insular web sites i decided not to.

So lets get to it below is the proposal i was going to send out. I need help to reconstruct the idea in to somthing that would be more atractive to the local ceo,s


I see from your corp info that you are Illinfrik based

Several small corps have been war dec,ed in the past month including my own, small corp

The corps that are normaly doing this are no bigger than my own corp but have 5/8 (normaly) decent but not very old fighters.

Having talked to several ceo,s form the corps involved we all seem to have the same problem.

1 We are not pvp, or mainly pvp corps.
2 we dont normaly get involved in war.
3 A lot,if not most of our corp members
are miners, traders, makers off one sort or
another,and dont realy do war.
4 The ones that would love to kick ass,
cant because they are normaly instructed
not to by the ceo so they dont prolong
the war.
5 The ones that arnt aloud to kick ass
resent the ones that dont want to,and
visa versa.

Iv now been in three corps that this has happend to.

Each time its the same, a big debate about fighting them then realization you wont win without help.
This situation is only going to get wors, in 2 years from now rens is going to be jita mk2,
so we can move out, or prepair to defend ourselves (hopefully some time soon).

I dont want to be in an alliance and most of the corp ceo,s iv talked to are of the same mind

Making an alliance sets you up to fight wars you dont want, to fight war on behalf off and normaly coused by peeps you dont realy know

Iv proposed setting up a merc corp in illinfrik, that could do the fighting for us, to several ceo,s.

Most of them have been interested bt dont want to put the time in to the managment of it, I also think they are a bit frightend they may loos corpies to it

The way i sugested to do this would make both the above very unlightly.

1 The corp is normaly empty with only 1
ceo alt, and alt directors to keep it open.
2 Each member corp has an alt director.
3 The corp is only funded to a level that
allows an office to be kept open in
illinfrik.
4 The corp retains no assets.
5 In time of war member ceo,s allow those
of his corp that want to fight to
temperary leave the corp to join the merc
corp.
6 A war dec on the war decing corp is
funded by each member corp donating an
equal share for the decing price.
7 It is up to each ceo to help fund his
own fightng corpies ( or not to fund if
he so chooses ).
8 No fighting member can move between
member corps within 3 month of being
involved in the merc corp.
9 The merc corp accepts no members full
time, and accepts no member from a
none member corp for longer than the
length of the existing war.

I now need to know if there is any real interst in this self defence prposal.
If there is a decent amount of interest ie more than me, i would need some help in deciding the
exact rules and format, the above is nothing more than a propsal

So there you are. Im 10 month old i need help constructive help i need some of you old boys/girls to forget that im a care bear and help me get it together.
And wow thanks in advance.Very Happy





I just had to quote this lol

Sonic Sue
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.25 19:35:00 - [6]
 

I gues it was to much t ask.
critic the text no in put.
Confused

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2009.05.25 20:06:00 - [7]
 

Alright so how about a constructive response.

You are running into a problem of not being able to make the attackers life difficult, while they achieve their goals of:
1) Causing individual pilots grief by destroying their ships when they just want to run missions/mine/trade/etc.
1a. Causes a drop of moral and drop in player participation
1b. Cuts off revenue sources
2) Causing the group/corporation grief by destroying it as an entity as people go back to NPC corps where they can do those things sans wardec.

So how to respond to the above in a systematic way.

It is a good idea to work with other corporations suffering the same problem. But what can you all do to real stick it to the guys attacking you?
1) Everyone needs to be able to participate in combat when wardecs come. My suggestion, everyone train to fly a T1 Cruisers or T2 Frigates decently well and make sure people vary what they fly (not everyone in Caracals for example).
2) Stop flying the expensive ships (Hulks, Freighters, Battleships) when under a wardec; lower your risk.
2a. A Badger kill is not nearly as cool as a Charon kill and the Badger can be setup with some defensive systems.
2b. Traders should look into either Blockade Runners (Covert Cloaks) or Deep Space Transports (Warp Stabs!).
3) Fight back! While you may only be 10 guys in T1 fitted T1 Cruisers, you probably only need to destroy one of their ships to break even in terms of isk spent.
3a. Build what your opponents are flying and what you are flying, make the ISK battle for them one they will lose faster than you as they fund your defensive effort.

Now, what about some kind of PvP backbone corp? Well an option is to have a PvP focused corp that all the participating corps help support and is focused on being decent at PvP and then leading non-regular pvpers from the other corps.

Think of the PvP corp as a regular military; they are able to handle similar size enemies who think they are going to prey upon a weak Carebear corp. When someone big starts coming after the corps, the PvP corp becomes the leaders for the duration. The PvP corp is where you get your FCs and those with specialty skills, they also take the pain to the enemy.

So to summarize:
1) Everyone is part of the corporations' militia forces.
2) A small group of dedicated PvPers form a cadre for when war comes the groups way and during 'peace' train themselves or one of the non-pvp corps.

Jand Tebri
Posted - 2009.05.25 20:20:00 - [8]
 

I'm the CEO of a small mining/missioning corp in a similar situation. We were wardecced three times within a month. The first two, we simply paid a ransom, as their demands were relatively cheap. Come the third, we decided to fight back.
We too only had 4 truly effective pilots, but by the end of the second day, the wardeccers were hiding in stations and dropped the wardec. (they did hurt us quite badly on the third day just before the war ran out, but that was because they dropped a load of remote-repping neutral battleships on us when we were in the process of tearing their best pilot a new one)
A lot of highsec griefer corps aren't actually that tough, although you will get the odd ones who are vacationing between 0.0 wars. Do some research, check their killboards, and see if you can check with some of their previous targets. Even if you can only field a handful of battlecruisers, you can still put up quite a fight if you play it smart and mobile, and refuse to get bogged down. Also remember that your non-combatants are not actually non-combatants. It takes very little time and effort to get them into a rifter, jam a scrambler and webber onto it, and use them as tacklers.

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.05.26 06:43:00 - [9]
 

what makes me a good demoman?

Mr Sp00ner
Posted - 2009.05.27 08:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sonic Sue
I need help
Im a small corp ceo I would like to be a bigger corp ceo but it takes time.



Eat more pies.

Lexa Hellfury
Immortal.
Posted - 2009.05.27 08:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sonic Sue
I need help
Im a small corp ceo I would like to be a bigger corp ceo but it takes time.
Time is a funny thing it moves slowly.
Iv been in 3 small corps and have ben war deced in each, Every time the decing corp aint much but just a bit two much for a young corp with few skilled pilots. All three corps iv done this with could only put 3 4 real ships in to the effort so chose not to.

I got in contact with other war deced corps and local ceo,s and found out that we are all in the same boat. I tried and am still trying to get a solution to this problem and came up with the below. I was going to send it tall local ceo,s. Having looked at there, some times paranoid and insular web sites i decided not to.

So lets get to it below is the proposal i was going to send out. I need help to reconstruct the idea in to somthing that would be more atractive to the local ceo,s


I see from your corp info that you are Illinfrik based

Several small corps have been war dec,ed in the past month including my own, small corp

The corps that are normaly doing this are no bigger than my own corp but have 5/8 (normaly) decent but not very old fighters.

Having talked to several ceo,s form the corps involved we all seem to have the same problem.

1 We are not pvp, or mainly pvp corps.
2 we dont normaly get involved in war.
3 A lot,if not most of our corp members
are miners, traders, makers off one sort or
another,and dont realy do war.
4 The ones that would love to kick ass,
cant because they are normaly instructed
not to by the ceo so they dont prolong
the war.
5 The ones that arnt aloud to kick ass
resent the ones that dont want to,and
visa versa.

Iv now been in three corps that this has happend to.

Each time its the same, a big debate about fighting them then realization you wont win without help.
This situation is only going to get wors, in 2 years from now rens is going to be jita mk2,
so we can move out, or prepair to defend ourselves (hopefully some time soon).

I dont want to be in an alliance and most of the corp ceo,s iv talked to are of the same mind

Making an alliance sets you up to fight wars you dont want, to fight war on behalf off and normaly coused by peeps you dont realy know

Iv proposed setting up a merc corp in illinfrik, that could do the fighting for us, to several ceo,s.

Most of them have been interested bt dont want to put the time in to the managment of it, I also think they are a bit frightend they may loos corpies to it

The way i sugested to do this would make both the above very unlightly.

1 The corp is normaly empty with only 1
ceo alt, and alt directors to keep it open.
2 Each member corp has an alt director.
3 The corp is only funded to a level that
allows an office to be kept open in
illinfrik.
4 The corp retains no assets.
5 In time of war member ceo,s allow those
of his corp that want to fight to
temperary leave the corp to join the merc
corp.
6 A war dec on the war decing corp is
funded by each member corp donating an
equal share for the decing price.
7 It is up to each ceo to help fund his
own fightng corpies ( or not to fund if
he so chooses ).
8 No fighting member can move between
member corps within 3 month of being
involved in the merc corp.
9 The merc corp accepts no members full
time, and accepts no member from a
none member corp for longer than the
length of the existing war.

I now need to know if there is any real interst in this self defence prposal.
If there is a decent amount of interest ie more than me, i would need some help in deciding the
exact rules and format, the above is nothing more than a propsal

So there you are. Im 10 month old i need help constructive help i need some of you old boys/girls to forget that im a care bear and help me get it together.
And wow thanks in advance.Very Happy




Shocked

Shiira Marvinitus
Posted - 2009.05.27 22:33:00 - [12]
 

Jesus, my eyes

You need to realise that there is no mechanic in Eve to stop a determined PvP corp from bullying your PvE/Indy Corp. This is a deliberate feature of the game.

Your options are:

1. Join a bigger alliance who are prepared to defend you

2. Be boring and sit AFK in stations 23/7

3. Be too much hassle and actively hunt your aggressors down. ENJOY the wardec and PvP a bit.




That's it.

If you want to be a small solo/group player who is invulnerable to PvP then quit Eve. I know it's fun, but it's not for you. It's been designed so that people can kill you. The game designers do not want you to feel safe anywhere. They want you to either fight, die, or team up with others.

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.05.28 00:42:00 - [13]
 

Another option is to learn to fly/live in 0.0 space. In my experience the type of pilots you're dealing with lack the knowledge and nuts to follow you out here.

RedSplat
Posted - 2009.05.28 01:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Shiira Marvinitus
Jesus, my eyes

You need to realise that there is no mechanic in Eve to stop a determined PvP corp from bullying your PvE/Indy Corp. This is a deliberate feature of the game.




So, so wrong

KonichiWassabi
Posted - 2009.05.28 14:29:00 - [15]
 

To those of you that are waiting to kick some ass and are told not to, come join United Souls, plenty of ass kicking to go around you can have lots of fun. Convo or mail me in game :p

Jabezhane
Posted - 2009.05.28 15:12:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Jabezhane on 28/05/2009 15:14:26
Sometimes tsking the fight to them works wonders. We ran a small 4 man corp once and we got decced. Fair enough.

So we looked at the options, moving out 20 jumps or so, sorting out some skills for a week or two etc. etc. Anyway in the end we decided to 'have a go'.

We just pulled together a T1 Mega and two T1 fit Drakes one night and jumped in on them. In the end they lost three battleships and we didnt lose a single ship. The next day the dec was dropped.

We didnt smack them and did 'good fights' all round. I think they were a bit surpised (we were too to be honest) but took it well all the same. No hard feelings and all that. They then told us they were just going to ransom our POS for 150 million.

Ok so maybe we were a little more experienced then than your guys but not much more.

Often they dont expect a fight. Use that advantage. To be honest you'll get more respect and have more fun 'having a go' than just doing nothing.

All small corps should have a stock of frigs and cruisers and a load of T1 modules to fit them out with for just such occasion. It will happen. Its also worthwhile every now and then if you are a mainly mission and mining corp (especially mining) to ask your corp members to stop learning veldspar processing to lvl5 and concentrate for two or three weeks on boosting offensive/defensive skills. Yes they may moan but it will come in handy.

Nothing worse than getting decced and then finding out you dont have one person who can handle a webber or fire anything larger then a rocket. Hopeless!


 

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